Laid Off Disney Worker Heads To The Hill To Dispel Four H-1b Myths

a reply to: Boadicea
If other worksers are willing to work the same job for less money then they should get the job. Is it really hard to understand?

I also think immigrants tend to work harder because they appreciate things in this country more. I don't think this is true as much for 2nd and 3rd generation children of the immigrants. They take it for granted.

Also where's the proof these H-1b's are being paid less? We hear all about it, but I have a feeling it's a made up fact for mass consumption.

I remember canneries where I live used to hire a lot of asians because it was claimed they were faster. This was when we had a lot of asian immigrants. But then more machines were put online and it became less important--or so they say. Now much the workers are immigrants because so many people who live here don't want to do the work. Granted a few still do.

EDIT: I'm well aware offshore manufacturing workers DO make significantly less money than US workers. I think it was something like $4/hour compared to $18 in the US. However, another reason they have hte plants in China (for example) is because it's close to the raw resources which reduces costs to transport. There's also large amount of qualified workers. This enables them to cut the time required to hire new workers.

originally posted by: markosity1973
So.......

You know that civil war y'all fought to end slavery? It didn't work!

The most delightful part is that America takes the utmost pride in copying and pasting it's system of tyranny right around the world.

The Civil war was not started because of Slavery lol. Slavery only became an issue when the North led by the same corrupt scumbags we have today needed them to fight for them to save their butts. The South was all for freeing the slaves as they were treated just like another member of the family in most cases. The North fought to keep the slavery issue off the table for most of the war. Slavery is what THEY, The current government want you to think the war was all about instead of the truth which is they caused it by being the same corrupt scumbags that they are today.

It was all about States Rights!!!

The Civil war was all about the Federal governments over reach of power trying to force the south to take on unnecessary burdens while slime balls from up north who were mostly new Immigrants, came down constantly trying to rip off the people of the south. The north was also not doing a good job protecting Texas,, big shocker there!!

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: Boadicea
If other worksers are willing to work the same job for less money then they should get the job. Is it really hard to understand?

Great just what we need, another Fascist Sympathizer.

Both Neo-Fuedalism and Fascism thrives and has found a permanent home in the United States. Unlike other countries, the American education system is so poor that these "highly educated" people cannot recognize that they are indeed Fascists sympathizers. Why? Because the education these persons received, over their lifetime, taught them virtually nothing about what Fascism, Feudalism and the Mercantilist economy really are and therefore these people are HIGHLY susceptible to messages promoting Fascist policies.

The United States is a former “slave owning nation” that fought “tooth and nail” to maintain the legal right to own slaves. Even worse, U.S. business owners turned indentured servants, whom by contract, were set to be released in 7 years, into indefinite slaves through legal loopholes and it was all done with the state, local and federal governments turning a blind-eye to the practice. Yet after all that, the USA still has a form of indentured servitude via H-1B visa program we see today.

So, I ask, AGAIN, can we REALLY expect responsible business leadership and INFORMED opinions about labor relations from a nation that was formed on these values?

No, we cannot and its a COMPLETELY lost cause.

Too many Americans have FULLY bought into an illusion that says “one day, you too, can be a slave owner”. Due to this false belief, sadly, most folks in USA are too far gone and there is no going back for them. This nation is filled with people whom are nothing more than mouthpieces and apologists for Robber Barron’s, who’s contemporary beliefs and actions are similar to the Italian Fascist of 1922-1943. But due to poor education and little experience with international travel, Americans can not see the historical similarities between the USA with the rise and fall of Fascism during the period of 1922-1945. On top of that, Americans have little ability to learn objectively and even less ability to take in new cultural information or understanding alternative perspectives proposed by foreigners. The USA, is not currently, a place of true “life-time learning”, because in the USA that’s just the name of a "tax credit".

Socialism is only “dead” in America, while on the other hand, Germany, which has a GDP that is 5 times SMALLER than the USA, exports nearly the same amount as the USA, $1.46 trillion versus 1.56 trillion? Yet, somehow that “socialist” country, with unions and work-councils, manages to make just as much money from exports as the USA, despite having to rebuild from scratch, after first owing $33 billion in reparation debt after WWI and then beeing bombed into oblivion again during WWII.

So ask me, who’s economic system is not working?

In the United States there is this crazy paradox that exists, where Fascists roam everywhere, but none “think” they are Fascist.

The sad reality is that people speaking out against Unionization and/or improved labor protections, MUST be RECOGNIZED NOW and IDENTIFIED IMMEDIATELY, as a modern day "Squadristi" (Italian Fascist squads that would participate in strikebreaking, organizing tax strikes in socialist controlled towns and intimidating voters at election time). Make no mistake, these modern-day "Squadrismo" are the enemy to ALL people whom oppose the tenants Fascism, Mercantilism and Feudalism. These people CAN NOT be saved or reasoned with and to do any less than AGGRESSIVELY FIGHTING THEM, puts those whom oppose their kind in grave danger. These kinds of people cannot and should not be given the benefit of the doubt, at this stage, because they are VERY MUCH like those Dutch, whom “traded slaves”, but claimed they also “did not own slaves”.

Large portions of the USA populace cannot and are unwilling to be swayed at this juncture because they prefer “having the legal option to form dynasties” based on inherited wealth and the legally ability to incrementally claim economic power over others, even though NONE of them will EVER acquire enough wealth to take advantage of such legal situations. So, lets stop lying to ourselves, this Fascist mindset spread among the U.S. culture, as a whole, is too deeply embedded in their psyche and is NEVER going away, EVER! Adopting sustainable economics polices and business strategies is, quite simply, impossible for the U.S. culture and its entrenched business climate. Whats even worse, is that the above sentiment doesn’t even begin to address the U.S. populations inability to work together and cooperate to ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING!

The overall FACT is, that the USA is now nothing more than a 2nd world, fascist stronghold. In the U.S. those that disagree with the vocal “pro business majority”, have few choices these days. Sadly, escaping the nation, via emigration, before its too late, is one of the few choices left. The sooner people start admitting it to themselves, the faster they can begin laying financial escape plans, so as to emigrate to REAL 1st world nations, which the USA is not and has not been, since the mid to late 1990’s, at the latest.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: Boadicea
If other worksers are willing to work the same job for less money then they should get the job. Is it really hard to understand?

All other factors being equal, I might agree. But that's the problem: All other factors are not equal. Due to crony capitalist laws and regulations, an unlevel playing field is created... the American worker -- with all the attendant payroll taxes, workers comp, etc. -- cannot compete with a foreign worker -- with none of the attendant payroll taxes, workers comp, minimum wages, etc. Further, the govt's job is to protect and promote the rights of the people, not create special laws and conditions for legal fictional entities at the expense of the people. Nor is there any virtue in allowing U.S. companies to exploit the less fortunate of other countries who do not have the rights and benefits of govt protection.

Is it really hard to understand?

I also think immigrants tend to work harder because they appreciate things in this country more. I don't think this is true as much for 2nd and 3rd generation children of the immigrants. They take it for granted.

I think that is a gross over generalization regarding both foreign and domestic labor.

Also where's the proof these H-1b's are being paid less? We hear all about it, but I have a feeling it's a made up fact for mass consumption.

Then I can only assume that you did not read any of the links I posted along with the OP, including the transcript of the Congressional hearing in 2004 detailing such abuses, nor the link providing detailed information regardin what companies are importing their labor, how many, for which positions, at what pay, etc.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

The Civil war was not started because of Slavery lol. Slavery only became an issue when the North led by the same corrupt scumbags we have today needed them to fight for them to save their butts. The South was all for freeing the slaves as they were treated just like another member of the family in most cases. The North fought to keep the slavery issue off the table for most of the war. Slavery is what THEY, The current government want you to think the war was all about instead of the truth which is they caused it by being the same corrupt scumbags that they are today.

I know exactly what you're saying and I agree. But from one perspective, it might be fair to say that the Civil War was fought over slavery... but not to free the slaves, only to enslave even more people with even more insidious and sinister means. One of the huge issues that my family used to bring up is that the North also had their slaves, but they called them employees, forcing them to live in company homes and shop at the company store and making sure rent and groceries were always just a little more than what they got paid.

Today, more than ever, we are indebted to our bankster masters... our corporate masters... our political masters. And the PTB are determined to make us ever more dependent on others while making true independence and self-sufficiency impossible.

Slavery comes in many forms.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

c'mon.....really?.....you expect anyone to believe that?......was there corruption in the north?...of course there was....but look up what "states rights" meant to the southern landowners and politicians of that time...those "unnecessary burdens" you talk about, were paid employees instead of slave labor....yeah, if I was a slave owner, and southern land owner, I would call it "unnecessary burdens" also