Creationism SHOULD be taught in school. ( alongside science theories! )

a reply to: Sigismundus

If you haven't caught up, I have conceded that creationism should not be taught in schools. My original premise was faulty and doesn't hold up in a science class.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: deadlyhope

While I realize I'll get some flack from the other side - please keep it civilized, and attempt to explain why the most common theory - THEORY - about how the world was made, should not be taught to children.

Because teaching kids "Magic" as opposed to "Science" is like going back to the Dark Ages.

What he said.

The way the religious folk left on the planet feel the need to make it easy for them to be ridiculed is amazing.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Barcs

For the record, this thread is basically over and I have conceded that the scientific method should be used in science class, and religion should not be. Thanks for replying to the original messages, but for anyone reading from now on - I disagree with my original post, and agree the scientific method should be used in the science class.

Religion currently IS being taught in class rooms.

The OP is correct, trusting science makes just as much sense as trusting politicians.

I no longer believe a single word coming out of mainstream academia.

Science has become nothing more than a massive form of mind control and propaganda.

The majority of science is Illuminati controlled and maintained although most scientists are completely unaware of this fact and just as much in the dark as everyone else .

"Science", just like all other false religions, ALWAYS lies.

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

I recently wondered why it is that, seeing how people in general don't trust politicians, corporations, the media etc., why it is that 'scientists' apparently get a free pass from society. It's as though what these "false-prophets?" say is almost always believed. Put a white lab coat on anyone and automatically what they say is near gospel.

Darwinism is an Illuminati Scam

"Gotta love how 'evolution theory' is historically demonstrated to be nothing but failed ancient mythology updated & repackaged with scientific lingo hijacked from Christian pioneers of science (Linnaeus, Ray, Mendel, Cuvier,etc), pushed by Freemasonic/Communist control of centralized gov't, universities, press, media & think-tanks backed by the satanic elite with their world Socialist revolution while 'Atheists' still cling to politically corrupt 'science' or point to imaginary 'evidence'." Source

Philip Collins explains how the Illuminati took control of science and determined our assumptions about the nature of reality. "The ruling class seized control of science and used it as an 'epistemological weapon' against the masses."

In the article 'Toward a New Science of Life,' EIR journalist Jonathan Tennenbaum makes the following the statement concerning Darwinism:

Now, it is easy to show that Darwinism, one of the pillars of modern biology, is nothing but a kind of cult, a cult religion. I am not exaggerating. It has no scientific validity whatsoever. Darwin's so-called theory of evolution is based on absurdly irrational propositions, which did not come from scientific observations, but were artificially introduced from the outside, for political-ideological reasons (Tennenbaum).

"Science" - The Matrix of Masonic Mind Control

With respect to its great contributions to society, I think it is important to make a case that science is really affecting society more like a religion now than a field of study or a resource base of useful information. Many everyday people do not understand it at all and accept ALL its teachings on faith. Unfortunately some scientists and academic professionals are not so noble and have perpetrated deliberate frauds and cover-ups of important discoveries.

Modern Scientific beliefs are based upon a leap of faith in the big bang theory. It has become a belief system based on faith and therefore another form of religion. Scientists, like priests can explain their beliefs but the everyday people accept it all on faith. Scientists and doctors are the priests of this new religion, getting angry and crying "heresy" when anyone respectfully disagrees with them.

Has Science become a Religion

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

We used to have RE in school you can reach it there.
Science is a different subject and creationism has no place in a science class.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Barcs

For the record, this thread is basically over and I have conceded that the scientific method should be used in science class, and religion should not be. Thanks for replying to the original messages, but for anyone reading from now on - I disagree with my original post, and agree the scientific method should be used in the science class.

Religion currently IS being taught in class rooms.

The OP is correct, trusting science makes just as much sense as trusting politicians.

I no longer believe a single word coming out of mainstream academia.

Great! Then you can stop using the internet and computer technology since that came directly from mainstream academia as well as refrigeration technology, nuclear power, antibiotic soaps, air conditioning, modern medicine, transportation etc. Good to know you aren't a hypocrite and will stand behind your claim that science is all just politics and ditch all of your technology products, since it's all obviously just fake mind control tactics. Oh yeah, don't drive a car either or use running water. Don't ever go to the doctor! They are all just perpetuating the myth that science is real. The hundreds of thousands of testable results are fake and don't provide anything useful in real life!

The sheer delusion of thinking all science is a scam over a personal experience that you can't even accurately peg in the first place. It gets to the point where people just copy paste regurgitated propaganda from the same nonsensical youtube videos over and over and over like a broken record. I never understood the downright HATE for science, despite using products of it in your daily life! Good ol' hypocrisy. The creationist way!

If there were a mythology class at school, then yes, creationism could be taught there.

Problem is, which version of creation myths to pick? There is probably over a hundred of them depending on which part of the world and which peoples you pick. Ancient Egyptians had their own, Greeks and Romans had their own, and Polynesian people had something completely different.

Why should Christianity have the monopoly? :-p

Why on earth did this thread get resurrected? Haha it's been a long time since it was actually created and active.

Not to mention I back tracked on the original idea.. You can't and shouldn't add creationism teachings into public schools. The format wouldn't make sense - there's too many religions. But the premise also wouldn't make sense, it's not verifiable, and it wouldn't be a sound education experience.

Our school systems are already failing in so many ways. I wouldn't want to add one more failing element.

Creationism is already taught in schools.

When I was in school, we learned all about other cultures and those cultures' beliefs. We learned about the ancient Greeks version of creation, and about the Native American's beliefs about creation, Hindu Indian beliefs about creation, and western culture's (which is mainly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) beliefs about creation. That was in the history/world culture classes -- which included anthropology and such.

Granted, there wasn't a specific class just for Fundalmentalist Christian creationism, but that's because Fundamentalist Christian creatioism is only one of many creationist beliefs. It would be wrong to pick just one and ignore the others.

a reply to: deadlyhope

Theres nothing wrong with teaching kids about the beliefs and principles of the multitude of religions around the world. BUT that information does not belong in a science class, because study of religious belief only becomes scientific when its being done as an exercise in in the field cultural anthropology. It does not belong in a class room which is meant to be there to teach children about chemistry, physics and biology, which is what science class is, and should be about at the pre-university level.

Once you have already taught a child what happens when you put hydrogen peroxide and potato starch together, once you have already taught them about the methods we use to discern the age of galaxies and the universe in which they are suspended, and they have absorbed these things and decided that they want to use their understanding of physics and chemistry to aid in the investigation of culture down the ages, as part of an archeological, cultural anthropological study, thats fine.

But E=mc2, not chapters one through fifty, should be taught as science.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
Creationism is already taught in schools.

When I was in school, we learned all about other cultures and those cultures' beliefs. We learned about the ancient Greeks version of creation, and about the Native American's beliefs about creation, Hindu Indian beliefs about creation, and western culture's (which is mainly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) beliefs about creation. That was in the history/world culture classes -- which included anthropology and such.

Granted, there wasn't a specific class just for Fundalmentalist Christian creationism, but that's because Fundamentalist Christian creatioism is only one of many creationist beliefs. It would be wrong to pick just one and ignore the others.

the problem is that while most of us can study such mythologies as a means of culturing our minds, there are certain pieces of religious history that some societies insist on using for political and socioeconomic purposes. I havent seen any churches of krishna or zeus in my neck of the woods, nor do we swear upon the egyptian book of the dead during court. there is scholarly duty, and then there is indoctrination.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
Creationism is already taught in schools.

When I was in school, we learned all about other cultures and those cultures' beliefs. We learned about the ancient Greeks version of creation, and about the Native American's beliefs about creation, Hindu Indian beliefs about creation, and western culture's (which is mainly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) beliefs about creation. That was in the history/world culture classes -- which included anthropology and such.

Granted, there wasn't a specific class just for Fundalmentalist Christian creationism, but that's because Fundamentalist Christian creatioism is only one of many creationist beliefs. It would be wrong to pick just one and ignore the others.

the problem is that while most of us can study such mythologies as a means of culturing our minds, there are certain pieces of religious history that some societies insist on using for political and socioeconomic purposes. I havent seen any churches of krishna or zeus in my neck of the woods...

No, but there's about a billion people on the Indian subcontinent who don't give a damn about the Book of Genesis and care more about the Vedas.

a reply to: deadlyhope

Okay, but define Creatonism. If you want it taught in school. What exactly is your creation theory? Is it the Summerian story of Creationism with the Annunaki? One of a dozen different North American/Native American stories of Creationism? What would you have taught?

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
Creationism is already taught in schools.

When I was in school, we learned all about other cultures and those cultures' beliefs. We learned about the ancient Greeks version of creation, and about the Native American's beliefs about creation, Hindu Indian beliefs about creation, and western culture's (which is mainly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) beliefs about creation. That was in the history/world culture classes -- which included anthropology and such.

Granted, there wasn't a specific class just for Fundalmentalist Christian creationism, but that's because Fundamentalist Christian creatioism is only one of many creationist beliefs. It would be wrong to pick just one and ignore the others.

the problem is that while most of us can study such mythologies as a means of culturing our minds, there are certain pieces of religious history that some societies insist on using for political and socioeconomic purposes. I havent seen any churches of krishna or zeus in my neck of the woods...

No, but there's about a billion people on the Indian subcontinent who don't give a damn about the Book of Genesis and care more about the Vedas.

if we are shifting perspective here, there are about a trillion galaxies in literally every direction across the cosmos who dont give a damn about what humans think in regard to spirituality or even reality in general.

a reply to: TzarChasm


That's true. And when humans learn about the beliefs of the ETs inhabiting those trillions of other galaxies, then an attempt should be made to teach children in school about the main beliefs of those ETs (until we discover so many other ET cultures that it gets too cumbersome to learn about them).

My main point is that kids should be taught about the Earth that they are inheriting from us-- the generation before them -- and learn about the culture of its peoples. And that doesn't mean simply learning about Western Judeo-Muslim-Christian beliefs (about creation and other general beliefs), but the other main beliefs of the other people who would be inheriting this planet along with them.

But Evolution is for science class (because its the development of its various theories follow the scientific method), and the world's cultural beliefs about creation should be taught as part of the study of world cultures, anthropology, and philosophies.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
a reply to: TzarChasm


That's true. And when humans learn about the beliefs of the ETs inhabiting those trillions of other galaxies, then an attempt should be made to teach children in school about the main beliefs of those ETs (until we discover so many other ET cultures that it gets too cumbersome to learn about them).

My main point is that kids should be taught about the Earth that they are inheriting from us-- the generation before them -- and learn about the culture of its peoples. And that doesn't mean simply learning about Western Judeo-Muslim-Christian beliefs (about creation and other general beliefs), but the other main beliefs of the other people who would be inheriting this planet along with them.

But Evolution is for science class (because its the development of its various theories follow the scientific method), and the world's cultural beliefs about creation should be taught as part of the study of world cultures, anthropology, and philosophies.

my main point is that if you zoom out enough, nothing we know or believe really matters in the grand scope. the laws of physics are fully operational with or without our approval. we should just be grateful that we get a small moment to play the appreciative audience.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Barcs

For the record, this thread is basically over and I have conceded that the scientific method should be used in science class, and religion should not be. Thanks for replying to the original messages, but for anyone reading from now on - I disagree with my original post, and agree the scientific method should be used in the science class.

Religion currently IS being taught in class rooms.

The OP is correct, trusting science makes just as much sense as trusting politicians.

I no longer believe a single word coming out of mainstream academia.

Science has become nothing more than a massive form of mind control and propaganda.

The majority of science is Illuminati controlled and maintained although most scientists are completely unaware of this fact and just as much in the dark as everyone else .

"Science", just like all other false religions, ALWAYS lies.

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

I recently wondered why it is that, seeing how people in general don't trust politicians, corporations, the media etc., why it is that 'scientists' apparently get a free pass from society. It's as though what these "false-prophets?" say is almost always believed. Put a white lab coat on anyone and automatically what they say is near gospel.

Darwinism is an Illuminati Scam

"Gotta love how 'evolution theory' is historically demonstrated to be nothing but failed ancient mythology updated & repackaged with scientific lingo hijacked from Christian pioneers of science (Linnaeus, Ray, Mendel, Cuvier,etc), pushed by Freemasonic/Communist control of centralized gov't, universities, press, media & think-tanks backed by the satanic elite with their world Socialist revolution while 'Atheists' still cling to politically corrupt 'science' or point to imaginary 'evidence'." Source

Philip Collins explains how the Illuminati took control of science and determined our assumptions about the nature of reality. "The ruling class seized control of science and used it as an 'epistemological weapon' against the masses."

In the article 'Toward a New Science of Life,' EIR journalist Jonathan Tennenbaum makes the following the statement concerning Darwinism:

Now, it is easy to show that Darwinism, one of the pillars of modern biology, is nothing but a kind of cult, a cult religion. I am not exaggerating. It has no scientific validity whatsoever. Darwin's so-called theory of evolution is based on absurdly irrational propositions, which did not come from scientific observations, but were artificially introduced from the outside, for political-ideological reasons (Tennenbaum).

"Science" - The Matrix of Masonic Mind Control

With respect to its great contributions to society, I think it is important to make a case that science is really affecting society more like a religion now than a field of study or a resource base of useful information. Many everyday people do not understand it at all and accept ALL its teachings on faith. Unfortunately some scientists and academic professionals are not so noble and have perpetrated deliberate frauds and cover-ups of important discoveries.

Modern Scientific beliefs are based upon a leap of faith in the big bang theory. It has become a belief system based on faith and therefore another form of religion. Scientists, like priests can explain their beliefs but the everyday people accept it all on faith. Scientists and doctors are the priests of this new religion, getting angry and crying "heresy" when anyone respectfully disagrees with them.

Has Science become a Religion

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

And this explains how the U.S. went from where we were in the 20th century to where we are now.

Could someone explain how creationism is not science?

Since science has tried to claim all processes then that means science was created also.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
Could someone explain how creationism is not science?

Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. Creationism doesn't do that, it just says "God did it".

Since science has tried to claim all processes then that means science was created also.

Science has certainly never tried to "claim all processes", whatever you mean by that. It's just our way to learn about the world by making testable explanations.

a reply to: wildespace

lol that is not bout creationism

the whole process is laid out in the bible but you have to have the key to the understanding.

so again when creating something like what we live in would take alot more science then science currently has.

you are basically denying the greatest scientist ever just because you do not understand the process of creation.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
Could someone explain how creationism is not science?

Since science has tried to claim all processes then that means science was created also.

Because it doesn't follow the scientific method. Like at all. At the very basic core of its belief it believes in a god without evidence of god's existence. That is leap in logic and thus not scientific. You cannot call a process that wasn't verified with the scientific method "science". It is contradictory.