MSM Claiming Clinton Won Debate, Polls Show Differently

a reply to: newWorldSamurai

Amazing how all of Hillary's negative press benefits Bernie. He hasn't had to fight dirty to pull neck and neck with her or even get all that much media attention.

When Hillary's email scandal only results in the demise of her campaign and nothing more -- that will confirm, for me anyway, that Bernie is Teh New Chosen One.

Could be that Bernie emerges as the nominee looking like a true grassroots underdog.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: newWorldSamurai

Big money doesn't want Bernie to be president. THE PEOPLE do. That's why it's so important not to believe the crap the MSM is pushing.

Thats the same thing that happened with Ron Paul last election.

So know the people should be able to see that there is NO difference in selecting a DNC or GOP sponsored candidate as they are both controlled by BIG MONEY. The DNC , GOP and the MSM are just tools used by the same BIG MONEY to brainwash the public to support their candidate and their agendas.

Their is no lesser evil between the GOP or DNC endorsed candidate. Yet that is what this coming election will become about because the masses still have their head in their Arse with this 'D' vs 'R' blame game.

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: crazyewok
Just goes to show its all fixed and the media are in the pockets of certain groups.

TPTB want a Bush v Hillary election as that way the staus quo is maintained whatever way the idiot masses vote.

IMO, I don't think either Jeb or Hillary are the intended nominees. And when they aren't the nominees, the voters will believe the election is not fixed and manipulated by the two parties. But I believe it is.

Gotta love that kind of argument, in a nut shell, No matter who gets it, "THEY" wanted it that way

I don't live in that world

Not exactly. I think Bernie is the Establishment's choice. If he doesn't win -- then maybe I will rethink my "world." As it stands, I've had a few personal experiences in the last several years that cause me to be cynical. Accordingly, I don't expect anyone else to share my cynicism.

It shows you how corrupt and out of control our government has become.

On the right, we have Jeb running who would be the third Bush in office. On the left, we have Clinton who would be the second Clinton in office. I'm conservative and I don't know a single regular guy conservative who is excited about Jeb Bush. Even before this election cycle, it wasn't like Jeb was top of mind for most conservatives. I mean he just literally shows up out of no where and was held up as the front runner. WTF?

Hillary clearly thinks she is entitled to the Presidency after Obama usurped her campaign in 2008.

Of all the people in this country, there is no one else available to run? I think it shows that running for office has become so convoluted that it is almost impossible for normal people to run. Real sucessful people are too busy running businesses and doing other productive activities. All we have left are the leach political class...

We have got to make some changes so that we don't get these entitled dynasties and professional politicians. I fear we are too late.

originally posted by: newWorldSamurai
After the democratic presidential debate, I set out to determine who was the victor. I quickly noticed a stark difference in what most of the MSM op/eds claimed as the winner as opposed to what the polls say. I realize these are not scientific polls but can they all be wrong?

A prime example is here (story from CNN wire service) - Link

This article sums it up better than I can - Link

What gives? Is the MSM in the tank for HIllary? Discuss (Mike Myers/Linda Richman voice)

News like this suggests that TPTB are afraid of Bernie Sanders. Maybe he is on the side of the working class after all.

Notice the MSM didn't do this to Obama, this is how we know who Obama works for.

a reply to: crazyewok

For many the media does the thinking for them. Remember half the population will be below 100 IQ.

I.Q tests are redundant. Nowadays it's just a means for folk to prove they are smarter than their peers.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: crazyewok
Just goes to show its all fixed and the media are in the pockets of certain groups.

TPTB want a Bush v Hillary election as that way the staus quo is maintained whatever way the idiot masses vote.

IMO, I don't think either Jeb or Hillary are the intended nominees. And when they aren't the nominees, the voters will believe the election is not fixed and manipulated by the two parties. But I believe it is.

Gotta love that kind of argument, in a nut shell, No matter who gets it, "THEY" wanted it that way

I don't live in that world

Not exactly. I think Bernie is the Establishment's choice. If he doesn't win -- then maybe I will rethink my "world." As it stands, I've had a few personal experiences in the last several years that cause me to be cynical. Accordingly, I don't expect anyone else to share my cynicism.

This may sound rude, but it's not intentional.

I think your spending too much time on ATS and have a conspiratorial mind because of it.

Try to distance yourself from ATS for a moment and realize that 99% get there truth from the MSM. TPTB know there exists a fringe group of rebels, but they don't really care about us. Simply because they don't have too.

Whoever the MSM and DNC is supporting now is most likely who they want to get the nomination. The only way to ensure this is to push Sanders back to the back burner and make him look insignificant to the 99% who take their que from the MSM.

They did the same thing to Ron Paul that they are doing to Sanders. They effectively shut Ron Paul down, and they are hoping to do the same thing with Sanders.

This makes much more since then believing that shutting Sanders down now is some sort of ultimate psyop to get him elected. If they wanted Sanders all they would have to do is let him loose on the Obama supporters and back him with everything they have.

I still distrust Putin for the same reasons you distrust Sanders, so I understand the ATS conspiratorial mindset.

Found this after reading your thread OP, linked at the bottom so that everyone can see the charts.

1. Facebook
According to US News and World Report, Bernie Sanders was the most talked-about candidate on Facebook, with Clinton in a distant second. A US News liveblog poll, conducted on Facebook, asked viewers to select the candidate they think won the debate. Sanders was the overwhelming favorite, with 82 percent of the vote.

2. Twitter
Bernie Sanders was mentioned 407,000 times on Twitter — more than any candidate combined. He also picked up an astonishing 42,730 new followers during and after the debate, compared to Hillary Clinton’s 25,475 new followers. In an analysis of tweets, 69 percent of those mentioning Bernie Sanders were positive. Only 56 percent of tweets mentioning Hillary Clinton were positive. When comparing the frequency of mentions, Bernie Sanders’ name or handle was mentioned 12,000 times per minute, while Clinton’s name or handle was mentioned 8,300 times per minute.

3. Fundraising
In Bernie Sanders’ closing statement, the Vermont senator mentioned how he recently set fundraising records by raising $26 million in the last quarter with over 650,000 contributors giving an average donation of $30. Sanders even threw in a last-minute fundraising ask, and it worked: the candidate gained a whopping $1.4 million in new contributions after the debate.

4. Focus Groups
When the mainstream media polled focus groups to ask who won the debate, group participants overwhelmingly chose Bernie Sanders. CNN selected a group of undecided voters in Nevada; conservative messaging guru Frank Lutz picked a focus group of Democratic voters in Florida; Fusion picked out a focus group of millennial voters from Miami. And in each instance, focus groups thought Bernie Sanders won the debate. Luntz’ participants described Sanders as “strong,” “smart,” and “for the people,” with nearly all participants picking him as their favorite. Fusion’s focus group picked Sanders 8-3.

5. Online Polling
Out of every mainstream media organization conducting an online poll asking participants who won, Bernie Sanders destroyed the competition. It wasn’t even close. Even Fox News and Drudge participants said Sanders won by a huge margin.

One of the biggest embarrassments for big media last night showed in online polls conducted by CNN. Two separate polls each picked Sanders as the winner.

Curiously, this poll was removed from CNN’s website, and is only shown here thanks to a Reddit user’s screenshot. CNN removed the poll and replaced it with a pro-Clinton headline:

6 Reasons Sanders Actually Won the Debate Despite What Pundits Claim

a reply to: Isurrender73

Yes. It is rude. You don't know anything about me. I happen to think that a lot of strategy goes into the presidential election because a lot is at stake.

That opinion is well-reasoned and beyond my personal experiences -- here's what I see...

It appears a lot of effort has gone into establishing Hillary is the One and that the media will carry her over the finish line. And the media and political Establishment cannot be trusted to not be playing well-strategized dirty tricks.

I recall how the media carried Obama over the finish line in 2008. After all, Hillary won the popular vote. Obama did not sweep the primary.

But the media's favoritism wasn't like this. I remember Olbermann, Cafferty, and Matthews specifically having on-air conniption fits about Hillary. It was pretty brutal.

In the present case, we still see plenty of negative coverage of Hillary with her email scandal dominating most of it, but then there's this transparent bias favoring her after the debate -- which, frankly, works to Bernie's favor.

There's a distinct absence of negative press on Bernie. That's what separates the present situation from Obama v. Hillary in 2008. And even though Bernie hasn't had as much media attention as most (if not all) of the other major contenders, a fawning media does nothing for Bernie's underdog, anti-Establishment appeal. The media is actually working very well in Bernie's favor.

And then there's Joe Biden. I can't help but think that waiting this long to announce a run is stupid…if he is really interested in winning. THAT, too, is a reasonable opinion. I think if Joe wanted to win he would be out there campaigning and rallying support. Not letting Bernie gather and solidify his. In the last two months, both Bernie and Joe have gained 12+ points in the polls, while Hillary has lost 14+. If Joe enters the race, he will split the moderate democrat vote with Hillary -- that will benefit Bernie. Joe is not peeling away Bernie supporters.

Now, imagine if Trump breaks with republicans and runs as a third party -- which I suspect he will after the very bizarre backdated GOP loyalty pledge. (I wrote a blog post on it here if you are interested: LINK.)

Trump would split the conservative vote and Bernie as the nominee would win comfortably. All Trump's pledge accomplished is absolving pollsters from polling a three-way race with him as a third party candidate.

Now consider this Washington Post article from early August:

Donald Trump talked politics with Bill Clinton weeks before launching 2016 bid

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

You think five 'unnamed' people close with both sides just happened to approach the Washington Post in August about a conversation that happened in May? I find the suggestion they did unreasonable.

In fact, I think this story was sanctioned by Trump and Bill.

Why would they plant such a story?

Neither Hillary nor Trump are intended to win.

Everyone is supposed to believe that Hillary will do anything to win, that she's the Establishment's choice.

To me, the Establishment is 'Congress.' They will be spending the money, they will be diverting America's resources. They are corrupt.

So I think the Establishment really likes Bernie's $18 trillion plan for America.

If Bernie wins, we won't be seeing his democratic socialist agenda. It won't be the democratic socialist agenda that his supporters envision.

It will be our corrupt Congress' democratic socialist agenda -- and there's no real oversight when it comes to how they spend money.

My opinion is as well-reasoned as any others I've read.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
So why doesn't Sanders get out there and take a stand on this against CNN?
Isn't TIME WARNER one of those corrupt corporate entities?
Why aren't his supporters raising bloody hell over this?

Why were all "Occupy" protestors painted as "people with tattoos and piercings that should get a REAL JOB and quit whining"?

The fact is, no matter how hard people scream, their voices will be drowned out in mass media. Except the internet. And, well, there are furries and PewDiePie on it, so credibility is suspect from any internet source.

Those who have secured their ivory towers have won.
We've heard more about Planned Parenthood this year than economic recovery and stability.

Why?

Control. They have it. Those who make money by waking up and breathing due to generational money and their control over the larger economy through collusion at the highest levels in order to keep that control.

Eta: Bernie's supporters are now spreading the word far and wide about just how much Time Warner has given the Clinton campaign. Bernie himself won't. Not yet anyway...give it a few months and as the primary results come in, depending on the results, he might get in a few jabs before he goes down.

a reply to: crazyewok

After watching countless of hours of FOX News (my fiance is a conservative) and the CNN debate, i am starting to feel the same way. Does it really matter who wins at the end?

All they do is make promises but I personally have not seen any changes. I am still on the fence as to why should I even vote for anything !!!

a reply to: newWorldSamurai

CNN = Clinton News Network. CNN ignores Sanders high poll numbers just like Fox ignored Ron Pauls popular polling in '12. TPTB wanted another Clinton/Bush in '16, but Jeb has ruined their dreams with his immigration stance. Now me thinks their in the tank for Rubio instead. They're going to setup/invent a situation for Trump to fail if his popularity goes past next spring. Book it.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: newWorldSamurai

CNN = Clinton News Network. CNN ignores Sanders high poll numbers just like Fox ignored Ron Pauls popular polling in '12. TPTB wanted another Clinton/Bush in '16, but Jeb has ruined their dreams with his immigration stance. Now me thinks their in the tank for Rubio instead. They're going to setup/invent a situation for Trump to fail if his popularity goes past next spring. Book it.

Thats because Time Warner owns CNN and also contributed a large sum of money towards Hillary Clinton's campaign. That right there is enough reason money shouldn't be allowed in politics. Mass population manipulation at its best.

Yup, can't say I'm a fan of either Sanders or Clinton, but Sanders absolutely slaughtered her in my opinion.

What I couldn't understand was all the rah-rah-rah cheering for Hillary at certain times when she said some mindless inane nonsense like "cant be much more of an outsider than being a woman". I mean it absolutely sounded like team-politics.

That, and Hillary's evil sneer of a smile.


It's a shame, I love so much of what Sanders stands for and believes in, but then he talks financial policies and reveals the near-communist he is. This is why team politics has failed and continues to do so.

There is no reason that one logical candidate can't stand for sound fiscal policy, protectionist economics, single-payer national healthcare, standard 6-12month paid maternity leave, non-interventionist foreign policy, and simple freedom for Americans.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: newWorldSamurai

CNN = Clinton News Network. CNN ignores Sanders high poll numbers just like Fox ignored Ron Pauls popular polling in '12. TPTB wanted another Clinton/Bush in '16, but Jeb has ruined their dreams with his immigration stance. Now me thinks their in the tank for Rubio instead. They're going to setup/invent a situation for Trump to fail if his popularity goes past next spring. Book it.

I'm still befuddled at Walker's exit. He was the darling of the Koch brothers. The DEEEEEEP pocketed Koch brothers that said they would kick in a billion easy to get "their man" elected. What happened?

Yeah, Jeb is done. Although more intelligent than his brother, he lacks the acting ability to play simpleton cowboy cum scion of a wealthy New England family.

I still think that if Trump implodes, Cthulhu will awaken and seek the Republican nomination.

DRUDGE REPORT DEMOCRAT DEBATE POLL

**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE FIRST DEM DEBATE '16? (Poll Closed)

SANDERS 53.78% (174,800 votes)


WEBB 25.46% (82,743 votes)


CLINTON 9.25% (30,069 votes)


O'MALLEY 7.13% (23,176 votes)


CHAFEE 4.38% (14,251 votes)


Total Votes: 325,039

www.drudgereport.com...

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: newWorldSamurai

CNN = Clinton News Network. CNN ignores Sanders high poll numbers just like Fox ignored Ron Pauls popular polling in '12. TPTB wanted another Clinton/Bush in '16, but Jeb has ruined their dreams with his immigration stance. Now me thinks their in the tank for Rubio instead. They're going to setup/invent a situation for Trump to fail if his popularity goes past next spring. Book it.

I'm still befuddled at Walker's exit. He was the darling of the Koch brothers. The DEEEEEEP pocketed Koch brothers that said they would kick in a billion easy to get "their man" elected. What happened?

Yeah, Jeb is done. Although more intelligent than his brother, he lacks the acting ability to play simpleton cowboy cum scion of a wealthy New England family.

I still think that if Trump implodes, Cthulhu will awaken and seek the Republican nomination.

True, the Koch brothers are extremely rich and backed Walker. But Sheldon Aldeson is just as rich but also has primary interests in Israeli affairs. He's backing Rubio. Adelson (Israel) trumps (pardon the pun) the Koch brothers. Aldeson thinks Rubio has a better shot of winning the nomination than Walker.

"No one gave more money to Republican and conservative causes in the 2012 election cycle than Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire casino magnate, and Charles and David Koch, the billionaire industrialists. Now, the trio seem to be competing for the right to host Republicans from across the country in their back yards in 2016".
www.washingtonpost.com...

"Historically, the Koch network and Adelson have had different top-line priorities. Kochworld has focused largely on domestic matters, with a particular emphasis on shrinking the federal government and minimizing regulatory and tax burdens on businesses. Adelson’s primary interests, meanwhile, have long been Israel..."
www.huffingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
Yup, can't say I'm a fan of either Sanders or Clinton, but Sanders absolutely slaughtered her in my opinion.

What I couldn't understand was all the rah-rah-rah cheering for Hillary at certain times when she said some mindless inane nonsense like "cant be much more of an outsider than being a woman". I mean it absolutely sounded like team-politics.

That, and Hillary's evil sneer of a smile.


It's a shame, I love so much of what Sanders stands for and believes in, but then he talks financial policies and reveals the near-communist he is. This is why team politics has failed and continues to do so.

There is no reason that one logical candidate can't stand for sound fiscal policy, protectionist economics, single-payer national healthcare, standard 6-12month paid maternity leave, non-interventionist foreign policy, and simple freedom for Americans.

Yup. You can't get more insider than H. She seems to have some sort of mind(less) control over her supporters. She's a master of deception and they'll believe anything she says without question.

I think all the Sanders supporters are about to get a rather deep and profound understanding of what Ron Paul supporters felt over the past decade.