Ignorant Liberal Speaks out on Gun Control

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

Still haven't read it.

The anti gunners are.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury,

Let that sink in.

nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;

Let that sink in.

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

Let that sink in.

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

Let that sink in.

Now NO PERSON SHALL BE HELD ANSWERABLE TO:

That means me, and ever other American in this country is not responsible for the actions of someone else.

Our rights are not forfeit to the mob.

That means NO GUN CONTROL period.

Because why ?

NO PERSON SHALL BE HELD ANSWERABLE to a capital or otherwise 'infamous' crime.

WITHOUT due process.

Get getting are days in court, and CRIMES PROVEN.

It's not hard to grasp.

It's clearly spelled out for ALL to see.

I live in super progressive suburb right outside of Chicago. I'm talking the most bedwetting Prius driving liberals you can think of. This community is the one that went all the way to the Supreme Court banning hand guns.

They are always talking about "gun free zones" at businesses, libraries, etc.

I've offered all the gun grabbers free yard signs for their homes that say "Gun Free Zone". For some reason, none have taken me up on it.

Here are a few instances of pretty mass casualty stabbings in recent history.


www.rt.com... - 8 dead

www.cnn.com... - 29 dead

en.wikipedia.org... - 8 dead

There are plenty more and I can keep going....plenty with 8 or so dead as well. Just saying....it isn't the gun, and knives kill just as effectively.

Here is just China from 2010-2012....

en.wikipedia.org...(2010%E2%80%9312)

No guns...just knives....but yeah.....guns HAVE to be the issue here....couldn't be the person with the weapon right?

Maybe these people were all angry they couldn't get guns so they used knives to prove a point?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: joemoe

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: greencmp
I would entirely agree that most gun owners are responsible therefore if I see a rifle in a situation where there is reasonable reason to be one I see no reason for alarm.
To me however concealed carry (or weapons that can be concealed easily) confers more benefit to those with nefarious intentions rather than the law abiding majority.

You would be surprise. Concealed Carrier represent the unknown danger factor for criminals. Because of this, it acts as a deterrent that also benefits people who would prefer to be unarmed.

Slightly sceptical that that is indeed the case. The US is the only western country I know with even relatively common handgun ownership or legal concealed carry yet has the highest murder rate.

We have an murder rate of around 4.5 in 100,000 ... not too bad considering we have more guns than people in the US. Also what is not usually talked about here in the US is the number of defensive gun use, which is estimated to be at least 200,000 a year (Nation Crime and Victimization Survey).

a reply to: TsukiLunar

I can avoid your fists. When was the last time you dodge a bullet?

You must be a boxer to avoid my fists. I've not had to dodge a bullet yet, but I sure am hoping to get myself in a situation that I can.
Here's the thing, If I wanted to take you out I could. That being if I knew who you were and where you were. Last I checked, my 30 year old 4X4 truck can get upwards of 100 MPH, how are you avoiding that?

I just bought one of these to annoy gun grabber libnuts.



third generation UTAS UTS-15 Bullpup Tactical, Pump, 12 Gauge, PS1OD1, 851799004263, 15 rd. Capacity, OD Green

it looks sort of like that gun from aliens

oooooooh noooooes!!!

a reply to: stormbringer1701

For self defense isn't that like using a baseball bat to swat a fly?

a reply to: harvestdog

If that's so easy then why do you need guns?

a reply to: neo96

That means NO GUN CONTROL period.

Okay so how would you feel about a private citizen being able to own a thermonuclear weapon? What about their own predator drone equipped with missiles?

You are interpreting the due process clause so loosely that it's utterly asinine.

NO PERSON SHALL BE HELD ANSWERABLE to a capital or otherwise 'infamous' crime.

And no one is asking all gun owners to be taken and charged and arrested for the crimes of a few.

The way you are interpreting it ANY attempt to assure public safety through regulation is a violation of due process. Let's say leatherface takes a chainsaw to half a dozen people and as a result there is now a screening process before you can buy a chainsaw to make sure you're not total loon. You are putting your CONVENIENCE at being able to quick and easily procure a chainsaw ahead of the lives and safety of others.

That's absolute madness.

You are interpreting inconvenience as a legal PUNISHMENT.

Nothing better for home defense in my opinion than Dogs. Second would be Good Locks and third would be a shotgun.

I carry a concealed firearm almost daily. Do you have any idea the requirements to legally carry a concealed weapon? I doubt it. It doesn't benefit me except to level the field against those with nefarious intentions. Carrying a gun in today's society doesn't make one paranoid or agressigve. It makes one prepared. Just like insurance. Don't want to use it but important to have when needed. And like every other legal concealed carry person I know, the last thing I ever want to do is shoot a person. But I don't want to die because they are off their meds or hate my religion or whatever. a reply to: ScepticScot

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Ras 12 Dude.

RAS 12!

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

Okay so how would you feel about a private citizen being able to own a thermonuclear weapon? What about their own predator drone equipped with missiles?

So bring nukes to a gun fight eh.

I do so love that red herring.

Can't argue the constitution so throw a nuke !

originally posted by: Sheridan91s
I carry a concealed firearm almost daily. Do you have any idea the requirements to legally carry a concealed weapon? I doubt it. It doesn't benefit me except to level the field against those with nefarious intentions. Carrying a gun in today's society doesn't make one paranoid or agressigve. It makes one prepared. Just like insurance. Don't want to use it but important to have when needed. And like every other legal concealed carry person I know, the last thing I ever want to do is shoot a person. But I don't want to die because they are off their meds or hate my religion or whatever. a reply to: ScepticScot

Here in Alaska anyone can carry concealed or open, no permits required.

When someone needs to arm themselves to go grocery shopping, I think that's a warning sign that something is wrong with my society.

a reply to: neo96

You say any gun control is a violation of due process. You are interpreting a regulation that is designed to safeguard the public as a PUNISHMENT that violate due process.

So I have my own equally self-refuting stupid interpretation, interpreting the BEAR ARMS part of the 2nd amendment to refer to any and all forms of ARMAMENTS, ARMAMENTS being a general word for weapons of ANY KIND.

It's not a red herring, its a reductio ad absurdum because your argument is asinine.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: Sheridan91s
I carry a concealed firearm almost daily. Do you have any idea the requirements to legally carry a concealed weapon? I doubt it. It doesn't benefit me except to level the field against those with nefarious intentions. Carrying a gun in today's society doesn't make one paranoid or agressigve. It makes one prepared. Just like insurance. Don't want to use it but important to have when needed. And like every other legal concealed carry person I know, the last thing I ever want to do is shoot a person. But I don't want to die because they are off their meds or hate my religion or whatever. a reply to: ScepticScot

Here in Alaska anyone can carry concealed or open, no permits required.

When someone needs to arm themselves to go grocery shopping, I think that's a warning sign that something is wrong with my society.

Something is wrong. The animals have taken over the zoo and are on the prowl. Stay armed...just in case they come to your town.

originally posted by: amazing
Nothing better for home defense in my opinion than Dogs. Second would be Good Locks and third would be a shotgun.

I remember been told years ago by a friend in insurance that statistically by far the biggest deterrent to being burgled was owning a dog. The weird thing was it made no real difference what kind of dog. Toy poodles as effective as a Rottweiler.
Sorry off topic but interesting (to sad geeks like me anyway)

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

You say any gun control is a violation of due process. You are interpreting a regulation that is designed to safeguard the public as a PUNISHMENT that violate due process.

Still missing the whole:

NO PERSON SHALL BE HELD ANSWERABLE to part of the 5th.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: amazing
Nothing better for home defense in my opinion than Dogs. Second would be Good Locks and third would be a shotgun.

I remember been told years ago by a friend in insurance that statistically by far the biggest deterrent to being burgled was owning a dog. The weird thing was it made no real difference what kind of dog. Toy poodles as effective as a Rottweiler.
Sorry off topic but interesting (to sad geeks like me anyway)

I believe there was a study that found that even electronic noise sensing speaker dogs will deter burglars.

a reply to: inquisitivenature

Then amend it. Go ahead and get a two thirds majority to change it.

Not through the courts. Not through EO. Not through Congress. Put it before the American people as an amendment to the second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Put your money where your mouth is.