And, The Anti-Christ Movement has begun.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
a reply to: Jobeycool

It depends on what bible verses you show them. There are a lot which are open to very fluid interpretations, and conservative dogma has taken away from their real meaning and context.
A good example is the nasty little tale of Lot's escape from Sodam and Gomorrah. This is commonly used by the bible bashing fundies to denounce homosexuals. What they do not realise, is that the story is not an object lesson in homosexuality, but a story legitimising incest. The story goes as follows. Lot is visited by two male "angels". The depraved rape gangs come to his door jeering to him that they want to rape the "angels". Lot - who was a highly favoured "man of God", responds my telling them that they cannot rape his divine guests, but they are welcome to sexually abuse his two young daughters.
After the Angels save Lot from the city, which dues to God's wrath was to be destroyed, his wife was told not to look back. Of course, she did and was turned into a pillar or salt. Now with no woman for sex, Lot was very worried about preserving his bloodline through his daughters, so he got very drunk and had intercourse with them, making them both pregnant.

Not a nice tale is is? But you only ever get bombarded with the story about Sodam's destruction being due to homosexuality, which is not supported by other biblical verses which say that Sodam's sin was inhospitality to strangers. Certainly, Lot's angelic visitors were not treated nicely by the rape gangs, even when he offered them his daughters as "fresh meat."

When people condemn gay folk by using this story, they are not considering love. That two people can love, respect and make a commitment to each other regardless of gender. These people ignore the much worse implications of this story, that God favoured a man who was an incestuous paedophile and condemned both his wife and daughters.

It was both evils that was bad from that story but mostly homosexual stuff is only told.Used on politics no doubt.I wish people would learn the new testament and Jesus does not support homosexuals.However ,No one has the right to tell destroy homosexuals lives and kill them and they do have a right by law as of now to get married in the U.S.I think this stuff is the begginning of what Jesus warns about.

It is crazy that the U.N.just gave Saudi Arabia the right to control human rights.They violate women and homosexuals like crazy.

a reply to: Jobeycool

Well, Jesus didn't actually say anything about homosexuals. I challenge you to post me any scriptures in which he does. Quoting Paul does not count. He didn't even meet Jesus, he just hallucinated that he did. Paul's teachings were informed by the Greek philosophies of his day, not exclusively by Jesus's ministry.

originally posted by: GoShredAK
a reply to: Antidisestablishment

These days I prefer to remain in blissful ignorance and just focus on being a kick a$$ person.

Not attacking or anything, just reminding?

I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

a reply to: canDarian

No offense taken.

I may be lukewarm I'm my spirituality, sure. So. Life is a journey. What I'm doing right now in this life is red hot. That's what I say I'm focusing on.

You know my deeds? Meaning you have read previous threads? Great! We all have problems, I'm not ashamed to share with honesty.

Spit me out. Please.

a reply to: GoShredAK

Funny if you're trying to be. I take all religion with a grain or "pillar" of salt. Was just responding :p

a reply to: canDarian

No I honestly didn't get it. Are u messing with me or using bible verses to make a funny?

I walk around with a big salt shaker handy. We have common ground there.

Sorry for any offense, gotta get ready for work. Peace!

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Muslims believe in Jesus Christ too...

Yes, they use his name to throw at Christians once in a while when it suits them, but otherwise he's never mentioned.

Are you serious with this? Because I really hope you aren't. I'm not even Muslim and I know this is an ignorant remark.

Jesus in Islam

Jesus may not be as revered as Muhammad is in Islam, but he isn't just some name mentioned off hand in the Quran. Heck he even plays a critical role in the Islam end times prophecies, just like in Christianity. You may want to go educate yourself about the Muslim religion a bit more.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

This is where it gets confusing. The Islamic Jesus aka Isa does return in the End Times to defeat the Islamic Anti Christ, the Djaal. After this, he converts everybody to Islam!
So basically, we're going to get two rival Christ's appear, if you are to believe this, add into the mix the return of Krishna in the sky on a white horse and it gets a bit confusing! Three different Christs from three different ( but related) traditions.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

Hey, I'm not trying to explain all the meanings and stuff. I was just pointing out that Christ isn't some background figure in the Quran like that other poster was implying. I only speak about things I actually know about. I admit freely that I am still VERY inexperienced and unknowledgeable about Islam. Other posters on ATS have asked on more than one occasion to debate Islam like I do Christianity, but I always decline because of my knowledge level on the subject.

a reply to: JuJuBee

people are individuals. each person is judged on their own individual behavior, not by a group they belong to. this is why i think the idea the jews were punished as a group because their leaders were awful, is just a flimsy excuse for genocide. the god of this world, is a real hard nose, and he don't like humans, regardless of their affiliation.

a reply to: Joneselius

Are we Gog or Magog ?
The place in the wilderness?
I dislike interpretive symbology.

a reply to: cavtrooper7
Neither. Gog is supposed to be Soviet Russia, Magog, well that was Bush's Bones name.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok, I'm sorry. I have done quite a bit of research on comparative religions.
I might be able to answer questions if you ask me.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

So we(American people) are dead before Armeggeddon, or trump has funny crap on his hairline?

Christians 'martyred for beliefs every FIVE MINUTES by Islamic State and other terrorists'

CHRISTIANS are being martyred for their faith every five minutes by barbaric Islamic State militants and other terror groups, a shocking new report has claimed.

www.express.co.uk...

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
Yippee! Another Antichrist!

How many is that now...lemme think...multiply the Hitler, divide the Obama, carry the fear and we get (drum roll please..)

7.2 Antichrists per century! Congratulations!

there are many

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Trump is a load of crap, not a person even worth talking about.
He is going for the Christian Patriarchist vote. So you'll see him get up close and cosy with the likes of Billy Graham and Old Mad Patty Robertson. He already did that !!
They like to push the End Times agenda and their "Doom porn" becuse they believe there is going to be a Rapture which will save them from Aramageddon.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

I quite frankly like Carson becausre he is an intelligent outsider who isn't a lawyer or buisness man,but THE TOP of his field.
THAT is an achivement ,but I think Trump may take it if they can't foist the Bush guy on us.
WWIII is continuing nicely for them.