What's Really Warming the World?

Bloomberg has an article with good visual aids that give some good information and helps dispel some of the myths about man's role in our changing climate. It seems like discussions regress quickly with the same myths being repeated over and over again.

What's Really Warming the World


Human induced climate change is a reality on this planet.

a reply to: jrod

A pic worth a thousand words:

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I read the article and reviewed the data. And that graph in particular struck me as odd ? Why is it only equated to 125 years of activity when that activity is calculated can be calculated for hundreds of thousands of years ?

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From NASA:

global temperature measurements of the Earth's lower atmosphere obtained from satellites reveal no definitive warming trend over the past two decades. The slight trend that is in the data actually appears to be downward. The largest fluctuations in the satellite temperature data are not from any man-made activity, but from natural phenomena such as large volcanic eruptions from Mt. Pinatubo, and from El Niño. So the programs which model global warming in a computer say the temperature of the Earth's lower atmosphere should be going up markedly, but actual measurements of the temperature of the lower atmosphere reveal no such pronounced activity.

science.nasa.gov...

Oh-oh.

Lots of things contribute to warming the local clime.

Around the world there are 28 or so research groups in more than a dozen countries who have written 61 climate models. Each takes a slightly different approach to the elements of the climate system, such as ice, oceans, or atmospheric chemistry.

What about paving paradise and putting up a parking lot? We been steadily building roads and buildings of cement and steel for nigh a century.

The autos whose engines take hours to cool off at night, the industry that hums, (every city hums), the fridges, dryers, air conditioners, lights, what have you.

Residential, commercial and industrial, roads, structures, and machinery isn't mentioned in those climate models, neither is war, fires, and stack venting for instance… let alone burning off gazzillion gallons of gas every day, auto exhaust is hot, so is jet exhaust, ship exhaust, etc.

Whats warming things up is more than just "atmospheric chemistry", no?

a reply to: jrod

Jupiter's 22 year orbital cycle directly correlates to the Solar maximum and minimum.

if.... as global warming is indeed going on... but the reason seems to escape the scientific and media community

just look at the number of lava flowing, ash producing volcanos that are currently active--- in just the above ground locals...
there are likely 50 times that number which are erupting under the sea...


what we have going on is a active volcano era going on which is causing the way above average temperatures to happen, the wind cycles change which effect both local and regional climate models....

yes climate change and global warming is going on BUT NOT BECAUSE OF industrialization, greenhouse gasses---no it's the tundra methane and undersea methane being finally released... along with the ash clouds/plumes/ heat/lava, etc. from the unpresedented number of long dormant fissures/volcanos that is the cause for both the rise in planet air temps and resulting in new, detrimental air circulations that causes climate changes from normal....


the Earth's inner Sun--- the Core--- is in a messed up state, and bringing hotter magma to the underside of the Earth's crustal plates...
the mantle will need perhaps a thousand years to gain some normalcy in temps... right now it behaving like the Fukushima 3 core reactors fuel and burning out-of-control

a reply to: jrod

You know, scientists found that Antarctica was once a tropical forest. Now, it's a frozen wasteland. Why did it freeze? Was it the ice age or continental drift? My point is that things change. For all we know rising temps could be normal and we're just coming out of a period of cooler temps.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More like cooling.

What's really warming the planet. ..

The sun.

All the smog pumping out of factories and vehicles etc..

How obvious is it? Does one need a picture painted to understand the grander view? Take off the lens and look at what is going on in the reality.

An earth. Orbits a perpetual fireball we called Sun. The planet has an energetic shield that protects it, it is said to be weakening.

The humans on Earth consume and destroy without replacing, replanting, or rejuvenating. Their artificial creations add smog and gaseous substances to the planets atmosphere.

Like for real, just look at it for what is. Do people need to think for other people? Not to be too bold or cocky but this global warming # is way out of proportion.

The earth has had more heating and cooling periods then we can count, in its time around Sun.
Such is life as a spherical body orbiting a larger, via gravity and unseen forces in this galactic space of spheres.

Ice ages, volcanic chain reactions, Antarctica and it's counterpart, arctic circle have been flash frozen.

In one period of time, possibly Antarctica was just land mass, and the Arctic was just water. . Two other regions furthest from the Sun, were covered in ice mass.

So the cycle goes..?
But it's not that much of a mystery when you look at it for what it is.

Planetary and celestial mechanics. A part of the galactic natures.. we are just in for the ride

originally posted by: intrptr
Lots of things contribute to warming the local clime.

Around the world there are 28 or so research groups in more than a dozen countries who have written 61 climate models. Each takes a slightly different approach to the elements of the climate system, such as ice, oceans, or atmospheric chemistry.

What about paving paradise and putting up a parking lot? We been steadily building roads and buildings of cement and steel for nigh a century.

The autos whose engines take hours to cool off at night, the industry that hums, (every city hums), the fridges, dryers, air conditioners, lights, what have you.

Residential, commercial and industrial, roads, structures, and machinery isn't mentioned in those climate models, neither is war, fires, and stack venting for instance… let alone burning off gazzillion gallons of gas every day, auto exhaust is hot, so is jet exhaust, ship exhaust, etc.

Whats warming things up is more than just "atmospheric chemistry", no?

No. We are still cooler than the warming period during the Roman era and the medieval warming period.

Cow farts are warming the world. All those hamburgers and steaks and mince and meatballs and.....

Cows fart a lot, and there's lots of them processing oxygen giving grass into methane giving gas.

Stinks.

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Look at the numbers, never has there been a volcanic eruption in our life time that compares to the shear volume of CO2 and other stuff we, humans, are pumping into the atmosphere. All the volcanic activity in the world combined does is a mere fraction of what we contributing to the atmosphere. We are indeed changing the planet's atmosphere, the ocean's chemistry as well.

Global Warming maybe impossible to prove or disprove. This does not change the reality that we are a significant contributor to the current state of the Earth's climate.

originally posted by: nerbot
Cow farts are warming the world. All those hamburgers and steaks and mince and meatballs and.....

Cows fart a lot, and there's lots of them processing oxygen giving grass into methane giving gas.

Stinks.

Didnt the ICCC of the UN once condemn the eating of steak , etc because of this ?
Re-freakin diculous

a reply to: Gothmog

This is what I mean about threads on this topic regressing.

We need to be collectively coming up with solutions to the world's problems, not pretending they do not exist.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: jrod

A pic worth a thousand words:

If you notice the only visible line in that is above the number, it looks like NASA barely adjusts temperatures at all these days but allegedly used to?

No source or anything?

Kinda silly.

When I hear people denying anthropogenic climate change, I see a vision of zombies pretending they're still alive.

Jet fuel. I don't particularly buy that humans are capable of screwing up a planet that's been here longer than we know and will continue long after we're gone. But there is science behind jet fuel raising temperatures,and they discovered that after 9/11 when all flights were cancelled. The Chemtrail BS hides the real issue...hundreds of thousands of gallons of toxic fuel burning over our heads days and night.

originally posted by: Flesh699
The Chemtrail BS hides the real issue...hundreds of thousands of gallons of toxic fuel burning over our heads days and night.

I don't think the burning fuel was the issue in that case and I think you have things the wrong way round. It was the lack of vapour in the air that usually reflects the solar radiation, hense the slight rise in temp without all those flights to protect the earth.

Artificial Weather Revealed by Post 9-11 Flight Groundings

Three Days Without Contrails The post-9/11 grounding of all commercial aircraft resulted in the sudden disappearance of condensation trails (contrails) from jet aircraft across the entire United States. According to the Nature study, the potential of contrails "...from jet aircraft to affect regional-scale surface temperatures has been debated for years...," but it was not until the three-day grounding period that doubts concerning the existence of the phenomenon could be put to rest.
The Phenomenon: A 1.8 Degree Celsius Increase In Temperature in North America The study found "...an anomalous increase in the average diurnal temperature range (that is, the difference between the daytime maximum and night-time minimum temperatures) for the period 11-14 September 2001."

a reply to: Greven
It's as if he didn't read the article and just one to quickly post one of the denialists fallback arguments, which so happens to be one of the classic myths/disinformation talking points that are repeated over and over again in the climate threads.