Charleston Shooting Happened During Active Shooter Drill !

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: JUhrman
I think what they're suggesting is a underground psyop organization with nearly infinite resources used mkultra techniques to mind control a youth to do this killing. Why? Who knows.

They're conspiracy theorists. It's what they do. Doesn't have to make sense. It's not supposed to. It's distrust of authority.

I know exactly what they suggest. And I'm suggesting when your distrust of authority becomes so pathological that you suggests a conspiracy that makes no sense rather than accept a sad truth you should seriously think about your life.

That level of self-delusion is the same that you actually find among people like that shooter.

People who start ruminating all alone in their head, making scenarios, hating a bit more each day, until they completely lose it and do something stupid.

For Dylann it was fantasies about black people. On ATS it's usually fantasies about the government and "elites". I'm not claiming the gov is all nice and beautiful. I'm saying such a level of distrust of the gov is pathological and a sign of mental imbalance.

If there was a "report this individual to the authorities" button on ATS I would press it so many times. Like in this thread for example. When people stop thinking critically and indulge in conspiracy fantasies for the sake of it they can become dangerous.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
If this same youth had been born in a more tolerant environment I think chances are this wouldn't have happened.

Actually he said he wasn't raised a racist and only became so because he was ditched by a girl in favor of a black guy. So he started reading white supremacist theories on the net.

a reply to: JUhrman
Ya but you just said if there was a button to warn authorities you'd be pressing it many times. But don't you think that's an indicating you yoruself might be thinking about it too much?

Honestly most of us who post here do so distantly and without too much thought. We're far from deep conspiracy theorists. And many, like yourself or Phage, are just here for laughs and to correct the dummies. To say you're seriously worried about a lot of us is kind of giving peopel here too much credit. There're better things to worry about.

And hey I was just trying to say I don't believe there's a conspiracy behine this shooting at the church. It's what it's. However, in terms of what caused Dylann Roof to do this, I think there's some blurriness. Ya, racism is going on, but it's not at all clear to me what his life was like and why he'd go out and shoot 9 people. Racism is common still. It's probably more common in the souther states, but it's everywhere. I've seen ti myself. Thing is, most of these people aren't going to enter a church and shoot up people. Something was really messed up about this guy.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
Something was really messed up about this guy.

Yes, he was f*cked up in the head. That's what happens when you start self-deluding so much.

That's why I have pity for the posters here doing the same. Not really worries. I don't care I don't live in the US and most of the pathologically obsessed with conspiracies here are Americans or at least anglo-saxons.

I just believe there isn't enough emphasis on ATS about the dangers associated to delving into conspiracy theories or simply not using your critical mind in general. I believe some people greatly underestimate how easy it is to become a deluded nutjob.

a reply to: JUhrman

Luckily we conspiracy theorists couldn't care less what you think. This was a false flag all the way dude. Your passion for calling people nut-jobs on a conspiracy site is itself questionable when pit against your own logic. You are what you speak, be careful.

There are some single-magic-bullet, buildings fall down through fires, people here. Fine, good, no problem your welcome, ATS is a both-sided-of-the-story place. Or three sides of the story place...or four sides of the story place...whatever...

BUT…

These two obvious false flags, Kennedy’s assassination, and the hoax of 911 make it possible….no obligatory for us to ALWAYS at least look at the possibility of a conspiracy, black op, false flag.

Now I personally don’t like to claim I KNOW it was a black op but we should always look


When we don’t then we know they’ve won

a reply to: Willtell

I'm all for some damning proof..... Key word PROOF... This is a buncha hooey. Even sandy hook had all kinds of weird stuff happening.. This one seems much more straightforward.

And just because we fight against this we are lumped in with single bullet and 9/11 report believers?

a reply to: mindseye1609

Not at all, you miss my point.


In this case I'm probably on your side. My statement alludes to the fact that we should look into the possibilities and examine the credible inconsistencies and not just believe automatically that it is a black op


I tell conspiracy guys all the time to not be an automatic thinker.

The guys like Jones and Icke are making a living and will always find what their conspiracy dogma dictates


We should be smarter than that

Become an independent thinker beyond these guys who make a living pedaling conspiracy without proof.

Their more entertainers than legit researchers

a reply to: Signals

I'm with you Signals. The naysayers aren't thinking about it properly. If any of you are fighters, then shame on you.

1. In a fight (and we are arguably in a fight) I'm going to through some jabs and weaker combos as I set my opponent up for a strong right hook, strong right cross, or maybe an upper cut.

2. There has been an increase in active shooter training over the years.
A. because there is money in it. (try to find who did the training in Charleston for June)
B. because law enforcement and the public has an irrational fear of mass shooters

3. All these active shooter drills and other drills are merely the jabs to set up the knockout.

I can't say that it isn't strange and a statistical oddity that Roof entered that church and shot people within the 4-day period of an Active Shooter (AS) drill in Charleston. In all fairness, the drill that was taking place was the ASTITP - Active Shooter Threat Instructor Training Program. So, they were training the AS Instructors.

It's a strange coincidence. But there are other factors that I've examined that would make it a statistical oddity if Roof was coerced into doing this.

a reply to: Signals

At first the Amazon staffer claims that the items were banned because they were deemed to be offensive, but when pressed by the customer, the sales rep tells a different story.

originally posted by: Signals
a reply to: Cuervo

No they weren't fake events.

Reason? How about control?

What control exactly is achieved after all of these conicidences? I havent noticed anything. We live in the most peaceful times ever compared to history. What I see are several asperger basement lone nutcases through history feeding the mediafrenzy and bad politicians not being late to take an opportunity after a horrific event. The movie Natural Born Killers was spot on about this 20 years ago. Then theres the conspiracy nuts seeing what they want to see, connecting the only dots they can find to make up for their opinion, or FACT as they like to put it. They arent real seekers of truth. But luckily life goes on just fine. This tinfoil hat stuff wont get anyone anywhere but then again its just like a religion. Feel free to believe what you want to.

Just know this: Some wonderful day without warning, a Comet is coming for Earth and all of this will be for nothing. Earth will become a forgotten blip in the cosmos. I welcome that day.

a reply to: Signals
Indeed, there may be something going on. There have been something, predictive, called the Princeton Eggs, which momentarily predict imminent stresses in our environments. Maybe some Alphabet agency has refined this to give partial long range predictions. Then these drills would do their regular training jobs, and also provide manpower if the balloon really goes up, at one of these times. Attaching Charleston, S.C. to a Princeton Egg's "excursion", would be a really neat statistical accomplishment, but the Feds would want to keep this edge, as their deep dark secret. Otherwise, any such publicized drill would set off a riot, which would mask any evil doer's putative attempts. The recent Turing Machine movie about the Brits, breaking the Nazi Enigma coded messages, shows this to a Tee. Every discovery had to be statistically vetted as to whether or not, giving our troops a warning would alert the Nazis that their "unbreakable" code had indeed been compromised. A lot of our own troops perished, because these warnings were withheld from their commanders. Stalin was given some, and he was especially hesitant to spread the word to the Red Army. But at the end of the movie the message was that some 2.5 million allied troops were saved by the Turing machine. Substitute a Princeton Egg for the old Turing machine, and you can see what I mean.

a reply to: Signals

If that's the case, what are the odds this shooter was part of that, and sent there deliberately? Seemed like a very calm arrest, all considered. No shooting, he's still alive.....when does that happen anymore??

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Signals
Seemed like a very calm arrest, all considered. No shooting, he's still alive.....when does that happen anymore??

This blog really nails some the weird things about that arrest:
Read more at investmentwatchblog.com...

a reply to: starviego

Very interesting...From your link-

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Signals
Seemed like a very calm arrest, all considered. No shooting, he's still alive.....when does that happen anymore??

This blog really nails some the weird things about that arrest:
Read more at investmentwatchblog.com...

*blink blink*.......what the.......that's bizarre!! Did they know he was a suspect when they arrested him? Even not knowing, that casual attitude, with FOUR cops on the scene, is plain weird. It's like they knew he wouldn't shoot at them. A normal traffic stop wouldn't require four cops, and a suspect would never be treated so casually. Anyone denying suspicion in this case is either stupid or refusing to even view the evidence. Wow......thanks for the link!

You know, it's really disturbing that they even show this footage, considering that everyone seeing it knows something fishy is going on with this case. It's like they don't care anymore who knows. Truly disturbing.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Probably because he was out of ammunition. He didn't even have a knife on him.

a reply to: JUhrman

Gee Whiz, if those bad a34ed Nazis had been more paranoid about their Enigma Coded messages, they may well have kept changing the machines, instead of just the rotors. This could have given them the edge to either win the War in Europe, or fight to a cessation of forces, like our later armistice with North Korea. They were within about six months of deploying the "Walther" U-Boats with Hydrogen Peroxide generators to run them at high speeds under water for short distances. This is the same design from the Novel "The Bedford Incident", and the 1965 Richard Widmark film of the same title..

a reply to: mindseye1609

These events take place almost on a daily basis across the nation for the past several years. Usually it is a joint effort between local, state, and federal authorities. I have been involved with several of these scenarios and I can say that they are beneficial for all involved when it comes to playing out different types of scenarios to be more prepared in the event that the scenario actually does play out. In many cases, these events are set up using scenarios based on active intelligence of current or potential future threats.

originally posted by: Jungian

originally posted by: Signals
a reply to: Cuervo

No they weren't fake events.

Reason? How about control?

What control exactly is achieved after all of these conicidences? I havent noticed anything. We live in the most peaceful times ever compared to history. What I see are several asperger basement lone nutcases through history feeding the mediafrenzy and bad politicians not being late to take an opportunity after a horrific event. The movie Natural Born Killers was spot on about this 20 years ago. Then theres the conspiracy nuts seeing what they want to see, connecting the only dots they can find to make up for their opinion, or FACT as they like to put it. They arent real seekers of truth. But luckily life goes on just fine. This tinfoil hat stuff wont get anyone anywhere but then again its just like a religion. Feel free to believe what you want to.

Just know this: Some wonderful day without warning, a Comet is coming for Earth and all of this will be for nothing. Earth will become a forgotten blip in the cosmos. I welcome that day.

Wow. So, because people aren't perfect you think that a comet smashing into Earth is a good thing and something that you would welcome? How sad and myopic. Must be nice to think you're God.