Uniquely Nasty: The US Governments War On Gays

originally posted by: morebeer
It's actually a war on anyone who isn't gay but what ever. Believe the lie.

Weird. I'm straight as hell and I don't feel like anyone is at war with me.

Seems to me that if I were to replace "anyone who isn't gay" with "straight, religious conservatives" we'd hit a little closer to what you really think.

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
No, but I didn't have any issues with women....I wasn't confused, I wasn't depressed, I wasn't turned down by girls when I was young or women when older.....I was always with a woman, it is natural....I didn't have thoughts of being gay, the choice was always there though....If I wanted to be gay I could have chosen that route, but I had no issues finding/getting/sleeping with women....Say what you will, but everything you do in life is a choice....You choose to go to the grocery store on Saturday instead of Sunday, not because you woke up and said I think I am going to go against the norm today and go shopping tomorrow instead...

Everything you JUST said here highlights the fact sexuality isn't a choice. Also, going to the grocery store, regardless of what day you go or usually go, is ALWAYS a choice.

I wanted a white car when I went out shopping for a car.....I didn't wake up one day and say, hmmm....I want a red car, I am going against my initial thought process....

Making a choice as to the color of the car you want isn't the same thing as being gay regardless if you internalize the conversation or not.

You don't just wake up one day and choose to be gay, there are many things that happen in life that sway a person to think one way or another....That is the human mind, but everything that mind of yours does is make choices....If you choose to sleep with men as a man, that is a choice....You weren't born with it and then 18 years later start your destiny as a born gay man....You make choices that lead you down this path.

You literally just proved the opposite point with your post then continue to argue like it is a choice...

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

And the "well look what is happening over here" is not a deflection?!

People are complaining about rights here,you know those god given ones, some people just like to trivialize the debates by saying it is just about bakeries or flowers.
When it is actually about the principle of civil rights.

It is an atrocity what is happening over there, but sadly only our gov would be able to do anything about it.
And unless you can find groups that are condoning it, I don't see how you can have the stance that no one is trying to do anything about it.

They also have a fight to fight at home here in the states, one that affects them personally.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

It's actually really simple. Should gay people be able to live exactly as you do, with the same rights you enjoy? It doesn't matter what your sideways views on "rights" are. Are gay people equal in every respect to you?

If my opinion doesn't matter, why are you asking?

Do only the opinions of people who agree with you matter?

Are you starting to see the problem here yet?

You're not answering a very, very simple question.

You're dodging, and making poor attempts at deflection.

How can I discard your opinion if I don't even know it?

originally posted by: morebeer
It's actually a war on anyone who isn't gay but what ever. Believe the lie.

When was the last time you were denied anything for being straight?

But ya, keep believing the lie.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You literally just proved the opposite point with your post then continue to argue like it is a choice...

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

What sways them to be all of the sudden be sexually attracted to men?

You have dodged that question over and over again.

You keep going on and on about instincts and what felt natural to you.

In which you are saying be straight wasn't a choice,but something you really didn't have control over.

I am not dodging anything! I have said it at least 10 times now! Why "all of a sudden"??.....It is a choice! They might not feel a connection with women, don't know how to talk to women, get turned down by women, etc...There are MANY things in a person's life that leads up to the choice of being gay...They don't wake up one day and say I want to be gay, unless the choices they made in life leading up to that day lead them to believe that is the life they want....It isn't one solid factor, it is many things that lead up to it happening, and the main one you all keep arguing about is not one! Nobody is gay from the day they come out of the womb....Nobody! I don't care what studies you think "basically,almost prove this" (sorry Krazy) but nothing in science can prove this....You have a choice, you actually have a choice whether to reply back saying I didn't answer your question for the 10th time also, or you have the choice to accept my answer and not reply back...That is your choice to make.

originally posted by: Annee
Of course there are unjust human atrocities around the world.

Why must they always be brought into threads focused on a specific issue?

"My atrocity is bigger then your atrocity"

Because I would think that rather than focus on whipping up a Twitter hate campaign against the tiny mom and pop pizza parlor in Podunk Junction, US, because the kid behind the counter has zits, er, is a hick, er, says they likely wouldn't cater a gay wedding (when no one gay or straight is asking them cater weddings), you would be focusing on real injustices against gays ... you know like gays getting murdered for simply being gay.

But don't feel like I'm singling out gay rights activists for this behavior. Feminists are also guilty of this. Women around the world are treated abominably, and here in the states, women would rather focus on winning some right or other by wearing tampons as earrings.

It's no wonder the rest of the world hates us.

a reply to: Sremmos80

no its not deflecting, because its bringing attention to the tragedy thats happening........

So because only the "gov can fix it" then people shouldnt be standing up and speaking out and picketing and putting just as much energy bringing attention to it, that they spend focusing on Bakers?

Wheres the outrage there? Wheres the Gay community calling on the media to expose this and bring attention to it?

The "well what do we do" mindset doesnt really work, considering it was standing up , raising awareness and fighting which has brought them this far.......

The point is I find it highly disengenious to be praddling on about these little things when people are being MURDERED for being gay, BY THE HUNDREDS on a REGULAR basis.........

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

What sways them to be all of the sudden be sexually attracted to men?

You have dodged that question over and over again.

You keep going on and on about instincts and what felt natural to you.

In which you are saying be straight wasn't a choice,but something you really didn't have control over.

I am not dodging anything! I have said it at least 10 times now! Why "all of a sudden"??.....It is a choice! They might not feel a connection with women, don't know how to talk to women, get turned down by women, etc...There are MANY things in a person's life that leads up to the choice of being gay...They don't wake up one day and say I want to be gay, unless the choices they made in life leading up to that day lead them to believe that is the life they want....It isn't one solid factor, it is many things that lead up to it happening, and the main one you all keep arguing about is not one! Nobody is gay from the day they come out of the womb....Nobody! I don't care what studies you think "basically,almost prove this" (sorry Krazy) but nothing in science can prove this....You have a choice, you actually have a choice whether to reply back saying I didn't answer your question for the 10th time also, or you have the choice to accept my answer and not reply back...That is your choice to make.

My oldest Nephew is probably gay.

And he's SUPER popular with the ladies. He could easily have his pick of any girlfriends he wants. He has a stable home life with two loving parents (one male, one female). Has a younger brother and sister, lives a completely AVERAGE life.

He suffers no hardships, makes good grades, and the ladies all flock to him because he's a handsome, charismatic young man. But my sister tells me she sometimes catches him lingering too long on men's health commercials, or saying things like "Damn he's hot" to shirtless men on TV. She's found gay porn on his internet history.

He's 12.

What choices did he make that made him gay?

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Or what might have been done to him?

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

How do you choose to be sexual attracted?
That is the question you are avoiding.
Do you think you could just start getting arouse by men because you want to now?
You ever notice that one girl may do it for ya but another may not?
While a friend of yours is the exact opposite?
Did you choose for that to happen or does is just the way things are?

I don't see a girl and choose to be attracted to her, it just happens.

I don't care what studies you think "basically,almost prove this" (sorry Krazy) but nothing in science can prove this.

What science can you show to prove that claim?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Or what might have been done to him?

I don't know what you're suggesting, but my nephew hasn't been abused by anyone.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It is deflecting.
When the context is about what is going on in the states and people come along with "well look what is going on over there" it is a deflection.

I don't do twitter or anything like that, but I find it hard to believe that they don't voice their disgust about what is going on over there.

a reply to: ketsuko
I feel sorry for you guys who can only handle one thing. I find that I have this amazing ability to multitask. That means I can focus on more than one task, idea, concept or cause. I can fight for the rights of gays, animals, children and women - globally and domestically - the big stuff as well as the small stuff. AND I can clean my house, shop for groceries, pay the bills, cook dinner and homeschool my daughter too.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Isn't that a bit like saying the Civil Rights Movement in the US shouldn't have done anything until they fixed Apartheid in South Africa? Things were definitely worse off for blacks in South Africa than in te US. Martin Luther King even referred to it being the worst racism in the world. But apart from MLK how many people in the Civil Rights Movement do you actually think we're fighting against Apartheid?

You claim it's hypocritical to not do anything about the plight of homosexuals in other countries while fighting for equal rights at home. But isn't it also hypocritical to attempt to change another culture's views on homosexuality when they're still persecuted at home? So far 2015 has proven to be a record year for LGBT murders in the US. While these murders may not be institutionalized they still speak to a persecution that needs to be addressed. And when one of the two major political parties have one of their big platforms being the denial of equal rights for homosexuals it does indicate institutional persecution. So while what ISIS and Iran have done to homosexuals need to be stopped it doesn't diminish the need to end persecution at home as well.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Maybe not, but some people who do get abused wind up batting for the other team.

Of course, he may not be gay, too. He may simply be curious. All adolescents go through a period where their sexuality is in flux, and they question what it is. You did say he was 12.

I have looked at Playboy spreads with my husband in the past and critiqued the girls, but aside from that early period where I wondered some because I was such a tomboy and like hanging out with guys more than girls, I've not really worried about it. Some girls are hot just like some guys are. Doesn't mean I want to get busy with them.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee
Of course there are unjust human atrocities around the world.

Why must they always be brought into threads focused on a specific issue?

"My atrocity is bigger then your atrocity"

Because I would think that rather than focus on whipping up a Twitter hate campaign against the tiny mom and pop pizza parlor in Podunk Junction, US, because the kid behind the counter has zits, er, is a hick, er, says they likely wouldn't cater a gay wedding (when no one gay or straight is asking them cater weddings), you would be focusing on real injustices against gays ... you know like gays getting murdered for simply being gay.

But don't feel like I'm singling out gay rights activists for this behavior. Feminists are also guilty of this. Women around the world are treated abominably, and here in the states, women would rather focus on winning some right or other by wearing tampons as earrings.

It's no wonder the rest of the world hates us.

Podunk anti-gay marriage pizza parlor had its own thread.

This thread is about US Government history of treatment of gays.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well said. The "well it is worse off over there" argument is just a fallacy and a way to distract from handling the issues at home.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

no its not, because the point is the context, the civil rights movement was one thing and the slights against the black community were egregious....

Just like the slights against the gay community and their rights had been egregious....

but simply put they really ARENT what they use to be now..........

So much so that the LGBT community and the media are focusing on cake bakers and pizza joints and putting them out of business, while people are DYING........

if you cant see that obvious disconnect and pettiness in the face of absolute atrocity and horror while they remain largely silent on the issue, then I would have to say there is a sickening cerebral disconnect, and abject dishonesty on the part of the community who "advocate" for rights.