Can Muslims Answer These Conundrums?

a reply to: WarminIndy

False idols yes, what's your point.


Is your reply gonna be jam packed full of more semantics?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Yes this entire thread is based on splitting hairs of word definitions and usage by making them black and white.

And using the standards to something the has been ultimately translated from a different language and we all know things do translate perfect.

YOU still have cognitive dissonance.

IS Mohammed a messenger right now, at this moment, presently?

You seem to understand English and the rules of English grammar, so IS or IS NOT Mohammed right now, at this moment, presently the messenger or not?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: WarminIndy

False idols yes, what's your point.


Is your reply gonna be jam packed full of more semantics?

Are you still assuming that all deities are idols?

a reply to: WarminIndy

All supposed deities are false idols.

Allah is the most merciful, the only God.



Why did you ask the same question twice?

Are you trying to catch me out with semantics?
Again?




Won't work.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: WarminIndy

All supposed deities are false idols.

Allah is the most merciful, the only God.

Why did you ask the same question twice?

Are you trying to catch me out with semantics?
Again?

Won't work.

I ask twice because you know the answer and didn't answer, twice.

A third time, are ALL deities idols?

Odin was NEVER an idol, Thor was NEVER an idol, The Great Spirit of the Native Americans was never an idol, Ahura Mazda was never an idol. Tengri was never an idol. Shang Di was never an idol.

You cannot say that all deities were idols.

a reply to: WarminIndy

I see what you're doing...


You're selecting buzzwords and only expecting people to use your chosen definition despite every word you trying to highlight having numerous meanings & synonyms.



Play this game on your own.


The premise of this thread has made the whole ordeal moribund!!!

a reply to: Greathouse

How can you draw a picture of Allah? How do your draw infinity?

Also, originally it wasn't forbidden to draw pictures of Muhammad, in fact there are many early drawings of Muhammad. Unfortunately people confuse later conservative view points in Islam's long history with thinking that those are laws from the beginning. The ban on drawing was a later innovation, as is the present Salafi conservatism.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: WarminIndy

I see what you're doing...


You're selecting buzzwords and only expecting people to use your chosen definition despite every word you trying to highlight having numerous meanings & synonyms.



Play this game on your own.

So you can't reconcile the condundrums?

OK, that's your prerogative to worship Allah. But you still have to reconcile the actual Quran verses, and you still have to witness that Mohammed IS, because you also know the rules of English grammar.

If you want to believe that Mohammed currently, presently, at this moment alive and still prophesying, then by all means go ahead and do so.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Like I said...

Moribund.

a reply to: WarminIndy

English Grammar!?!!??!

Seriously????????????????

The Qur'an is in Arabic, and Qur'anic Arabic isn't even like modern Arabic grammar which is nothing like English Grammar..

It's like someone asking if Jesus was a Jew, then how come the only people named Jesus these days are Hispanic/Spanish.

You need to read many books before you are ready to even have debates.

a reply to: AudioOne

You could use the infinity symbol I guess ?


Technically it would be hard to drawl a accurate picture of Jesus or Mohammed so it is done symbolically .

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: WarminIndy

All supposed deities are false idols.

Allah is the most merciful, the only God.

Why did you ask the same question twice?

Are you trying to catch me out with semantics?
Again?

Won't work.

I ask twice because you know the answer and didn't answer, twice.

A third time, are ALL deities idols?

Odin was NEVER an idol, Thor was NEVER an idol, The Great Spirit of the Native Americans was never an idol, Ahura Mazda was never an idol. Tengri was never an idol. Shang Di was never an idol.

You cannot say that all deities were idols.

You are wrong and it would help if you actually understood what the word idol meant.

An idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed or any person or thing regarded with admiration, adoration, or devotion

Was Odin and Thor idols? Yes they were idols. It is well known that the Vikings worshiped these Gods and made idols of them. this is why images of Mohammed is forbidden because it could become a idol of worship much like the way people pray to the image of Jesus instead of praying to God even though Jesus told his followers to pray to God he never told them to pray to him.

a reply to: Greathouse

Having a symbol to represent a quality of God is different from having a idol (picture) claiming it itself IS the image/picture/sight of God.

That's like saying a heart is the image of Love, no it's just a symbol, love does not literally look like a heart symbol.

a reply to: WarminIndy

If you want to believe that Mohammed currently, presently, at this moment alive and still prophesying, then by all means go ahead and do so.

People would say that he is alive through his teachings much like you can say Jesus or any other prophet of God is alive through what they taught. My compliments on the troll thread btw.

a reply to: arpgme

The infinity symbol quib was a joke that's why I put the smiley face behind it .



The other word I used was symbolic so actually I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: AudioOne

You could use the infinity symbol I guess ?

Lol.. You got me there.

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Yes this entire thread is based on splitting hairs of word definitions and usage by making them black and white.

And using the standards to something the has been ultimately translated from a different language and we all know things do translate perfect.

YOU still have cognitive dissonance.

IS Mohammed a messenger right now, at this moment, presently?

You seem to understand English and the rules of English grammar, so IS or IS NOT Mohammed right now, at this moment, presently the messenger or not?

Okay let's play your game of semantics.

As all Muslims believe in the hereafter, we believe no one ever really dies.

I aks you this question: What is the difference between living and existing?

Both words are synonymous. Muslims believe the the prophet of Allah exists right now, in another dimension. Just like we also believe Michael Jackson exists somewhere in another dimenion, in some shape or form.

When people say Einstein WAS a pioneer, it is meant that WHILE he was living here on earth in the flesh.

Thus as it is believed that Allah exists now, we also believe the prophet exists RIGHT NOW at this moment, just not on earth.

That is what is meant by the shahadah, the statement is timeless. It means we bear witness that there is a god (the creator) one and only, that exists right now and for all time (for us humans), he exists outside of time even. And that the prophet exists now in another dimension.

That is what Muslims testify after reading the Quran.

So your concept of NOW NOW NOW LIVING NOW NOW, doesn't have to be on earth, .. thsat from a Muslim perspective for of course ...as we have accepted that there is a heaven, hellfire and earth, as well as other dimensions where lifeforms including those that were once human on earth can exist.


ETA: We witness the statement of the shahadah through the verses, and proofs stated in the Quran.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: WarminIndy

If you want to believe that Mohammed currently, presently, at this moment alive and still prophesying, then by all means go ahead and do so.

People would say that he is alive through his teachings much like you can say Jesus or any other prophet of God is alive through what they taught. My compliments on the troll thread btw.

10/10 for trolling.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: WarminIndy

Like I said...

Moribund.

Like I said,
cognitive dissonance.

If you want the rest of us to accept Islam, you are going to have to address the conundrums, because according to the Quran verse that I posted in the OP, I don't even have to accept Mohammed.

See above verse, if I need to I will post it again.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

What proof?

A man said he was a messenger, that is all. Doesn't mean he was, only that he said he was.

By your requirement, then Joseph Smith is also an end-time prophet. Would you accept him as one?

Was Ahura Mazda also an acceptable god to you? If you say that Allah is merely the word for God, then you can insert any name to make it fit.

Would it be therefore acceptable to say "There is no God but Ahura Mazda and Mohammed is his messenger"? Acceptable, yes or no?