Good update on the 1994 Zimbabwe school aliens incident

a reply to: beercan

You have 62 children, providing details on not only objective things but also feelings involved.

I'm not so sure about that. I have only heard maybe a dozen children provide details. I don't know how to extrapolate that up to 62 and particularly when one said they thought it was the gardener.

And there were no telepathic messages reported until Mack came in to picture.

I would love to see an example of something similar like that being some kind of hoax.

Well there are certainly cases of mass hysteria where children and adults believe they are being attacked by invisible beings and things like that. There seems to be a lot of cases of Mass hysteria in South African schools.

The interviews were interesting at first...

... until I heard the 6 year old girl saying "the aliens were here because they dont like what we do to earth".

Come on... seriously? A 6 year old girl has no idea about what and how much is done to earth. This phrase is reason to raise the B.S. flag. It's like the children were abused for a propaganda film.

It can still be authentic, but naaaw... that phrase stopped me. Besides, the description of the boy saying "black eyes and white pupils"... I mean... this could be dark sunglasses reflecting the sun (white pupils). No proof for anything whatsoever. Also interesting that one of the "aliens" painted on paper seems to wear a military suit. Aliens? Not sure...

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: beercan

You have 62 children, providing details on not only objective things but also feelings involved.

I'm not so sure about that. I have only heard maybe a dozen children provide details. I don't know how to extrapolate that up to 62 and particularly when one said they thought it was the gardener.

And there were no telepathic messages reported until Mack came in to picture.

I would love to see an example of something similar like that being some kind of hoax.

Well there are certainly cases of mass hysteria where children and adults believe they are being attacked by invisible beings and things like that. There seems to be a lot of cases of Mass hysteria in South African schools.

Hi Zeta

Allright, fair enough.
12 kids were interviewed and provided these details.

Yes the child thought it was the gardener at first, but then saw it was something else though right?

Could you point me in the direction where it says that the details on telepathic messages came in to the picture with Mack ? I know that you are going to want it to look like he pulled it out of them.

I'm new to this case and any additional info I might have missed is truly appreciated. Just to learn more.

I know you are a skeptic, which is completely okay (I mean why wouldn't it).
But I choose to believe these kids, to me (and by that I mean I can only speak for myself) it sounds quite unbelievable that they would lie or think that the usual monkey in the tree is suddenly a space craft with little men looking like these drawings.


On mass hysteria sure that's a known subject.
Could you explain how you mean those cases are similar to this one?
Might be plausible, I don't know.

I've not heard of this before, thanks for posting.

Whilst my gut feeling is those kids were telling the truth, I just can't understand why an alien race would do such a thing.

I mean you have to look at motive and what they wished to achieve. To me it has achieved very little beyond scaring a few kids in a school yard and making them look like they are creating a lie, as there is no evidence beyond a mass account by easily impressionable kids.

If they really wanted to pass on a message, one so important to humanity, I'd be sacking the alien in charge of communication.

Was it a hoax by a group of adults? That to me seems more plausible, taking into account the incredibly inept way such a message to humanity from an advanced alien race was given.

Did anyone notice how one of the girls said the craft was on its side sticking into the ground (rather like the cliche cartoon picture of a crashed saucer) but none of the others mentioned it?

I also spotted that while asking a group of children one after the other the first few children described some kind of classic alien looking creature and then after one said it had long hair all the following children said it had long hair as well.

Did anyone notice there wasn't a speck of emotion on any of their faces. After being 'asked' if they were scared they all agreed but their faces stayed blank.

a reply to: beercan

On mass hysteria sure that's a known subject.
Could you explain how you mean those cases are similar to this one?
Might be plausible, I don't know.

This doesn't appear to be mass hysteria. Mass hysteria cases are much more intense. They usually have physical symptoms so they are very different than this case.

I will try to lay out my thoughts on the case and provide some backup. I'm only skeptical to the point that if there really was something extraterrestrial here, the investigation was handled poorly.

Yes the child thought it was the gardener at first, but then saw it was something else though right?

It was the other way around. First she thought it was an alien and then the gardener but noticed long hair, not African, so it couldn't have been the gardener. I think that is how it went.

Could you point me in the direction where it says that the details on telepathic messages came in to the picture with Mack ? I know that you are going to want it to look like he pulled it out of them.

All I can say about this is that there is no indication that the they were discussing telepathy until Mack was there. Mack came into the picture 3 months(?) after the incident. Yes, the idea would be that Mack sort of "invented" that part. I really don't want to make anything look like anything really but if certain details are true, it should make you think.

I'm new to this case and any additional info I might have missed is truly appreciated. Just to learn more.

I provided 2 links to the original story a few posts ago. There are some details there that are worth a look.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Would explain the anti-human attitudes and actions of our government

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a reply to: PhoenixOD

Did anyone notice there wasn't a speck of emotion on any of their faces. After being 'asked' if they were scared they all agreed but their faces stayed blank.

What are you expecting to see?

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Would explain the anti-human attitudes and actions of our government

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That's just down to greed and lack of empathy aka the sociopath.

If they had done a deal with an alien species then those aliens wouldn't be interested in scaring a few kids with a message

a reply to: ProleUK

depends on 'which' space aliens we're talking about.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
This doesn't appear to be mass hysteria. Mass hysteria cases are much more intense. They usually have physical symptoms so they are very different than this case.

I will try to lay out my thoughts on the case and provide some backup. I'm only skeptical to the point that if there really was something extraterrestrial here, the investigation was handled poorly.

Sorry if I came across blunt in my previous post but I had to put my kid to bed and just sort of submitted.
I'm definitely open to hear what you have to say and what you can dig up.

originally posted by: beercan

originally posted by: Collekt
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Everyone keeps pointing out that they're still sticking to the story. I agree that it is a very interesting case and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it is or isn't true. However, haven't you guys ever heard of people telling a lie or even an innocent story so many times that they actually convince themselves it was true or really happened? A great example is the ghost story by Kapusta a couple posts up. Sure he knew it wasn't true but still went along with it. Now, what if a bunch of people continued to ask him about it over the years? It's entirely possible that he could stick to the story for so long that he forgets the truth of what really happened, especially considering he was so young and impressionable at the time.

Once again, not trying to say it's a hoax or untrue. I'm just pointing out that this is something that does happen. Our memories are not infallible, and I routinely see people around here state a child's testimony as fact because "there's just no way he could have made up a story like that, so much detail!". Just because they're sticking to the story now doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I also agree with some of the other posters that it's very odd there were no adults around to supervise all these children, and ultimately witness the incident themselves. I'd feel much better about it if that were the case.

I agree with what you are saying, but I don't consider these scenarios to be the same.

You have 62 children, providing details on not only objective things but also feelings involved.
They were scared, felt the being was interested in them, telepathic images or sentences being transfered.
I believe people can imagine seeing a ghost and firing each other up, but not something at this magnitude.

I would love to see an example of something similar like that being some kind of hoax.

You may very well be correct. It is increasingly unlikely that what I suggested is the explanation when you have that many children involved, but it's still a possibility. I just believe we should still question their testimony where it makes sense to do so, as opposed to simply assuming they're all telling the complete truth because they were children at the time. A child can easily misrepresent what actually happened, and then continue to build upon the opinion of one another until you have some crazy event that was, in reality, something that can be easily explained. Even if something actually happened, it could be grossly distorted in their mind at this point compared to the real events of that day.

originally posted by: Collekt
a reply to: beercan

You may very well be correct. It is increasingly unlikely that what I suggested is the explanation when you have that many children involved, but it's still a possibility. I just believe we should still question their testimony where it makes sense to do so, as opposed to simply assuming they're all telling the complete truth because they were children at the time. A child can easily misrepresent what actually happened, and then continue to build upon the opinion of one another until you have some crazy event that was, in reality, something that can be easily explained. Even if something actually happened, it could be grossly distorted in their mind at this point compared to the real events of that day.

Jupp, I think Zeta said it, the investigation should have been done better.
It's only sound with some criticism, but this case is just so good. Come on, admit it ;-)

a reply to: beercan

It is a very interesting case, I'll give you that.

originally posted by: beercan

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
This doesn't appear to be mass hysteria. Mass hysteria cases are much more intense. They usually have physical symptoms so they are very different than this case.

I will try to lay out my thoughts on the case and provide some backup. I'm only skeptical to the point that if there really was something extraterrestrial here, the investigation was handled poorly.

Sorry if I came across blunt in my previous post but I had to put my kid to bed and just sort of submitted.
I'm definitely open to hear what you have to say and what you can dig up.

Heh,.... I come into these things fully expecting to be treated like satan. I discussed this case in detail a year or so ago so I think I have a good handle on it. I am at work so will have to wait until I have a little more time.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Children have open minds whereas most adults do not .

The Voronezh UFO incident on September 27, 1989 in former Soviet is a similar case.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: moebius

Can you exclude the possibility that the children have been manipulated to tell a story? 

Well there's a saying don't know if you that to but, " only drunk men and children tell the truth.."

I believe this story up to the part where the children tell something like this:

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This was no joke, the child was stricken with a horrible feeling and vision that the world might end, that “all the trees would go down and nobody would be able to breath.”
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Children have a very vivid mind and sure enough they make up a lot of stuff and go deep in the world of their imagination but they are usually not coupled with extreme fear like this. Now the articles goes on to talk about 62 children when in reality fewer than 12 .. fewer then 5 are talking about this event.

There are too many assumptions and the only reason why this article/event gets traction is because "children are involved" and they don't lie, right? Well, they don't lie but they can make up stuff.

I don't deny them that they had a strange experience however I don't think it's anywhere what they think. We are talking about a small rural town that is located about 10 miles east of the primary Air force base (Manyame) of Zimbabwe.