Im 99.9% certain your conscious does not let you belive 99.9% of what you think you do

(First post go easy)

So ive been thinking lately, you know that little voice in the back of your head? Hes a dastardly little fellow!

Im going to pick on Religion for this one. Think about whatever your beliefs are. Now think about how many times you have second guessed your own beliefs.

Im making a bold claim that it is impossible to make yourself fully believe anything (other than fact of course and sometimes not even that), and I belive, or almost , that your conscious will not allow you to fully believe what you think you do.

There will always be a little voice in the back of your head saying "Hey bro, what if its all wrong?".
"What if there really is/isnt a god"?

Im also going to make a claim that people try to subliminally shut up that voice in the back of their head by doing practices like going to church.
Dont get me wrong many people attend church to practice their faith, but im sure we all know of some people who go just to "shut up their concious" if you will, and fool themselves into thinking they dont doubht a bit of scripture.

Maybe im just a paranoid skeptic or maybe im just using my own brain to know whats going on inside yours!
I personally would like my conscious to roam free and let him think whatever he wants.

Didnt mean to step on any toes.
Please inform me if its a rule to provide evidence, as I have none.

Agree/Disagree?

Hey fun first thread, congrats!

So yes and no, I think. Well, because some chose not to. They prefer to stay within their box and chose (knowingly or not) to remain ignorant. The more ignorant you are the less you worry about such things.

But yes OP, for those who like to think outside the boundaries of their perceived realty, I suspect you are correct.

originally posted by: frostie
(First post go easy)

So ive been thinking lately, you know that little voice in the back of your head? Hes a dastardly little fellow!

Im going to pick on Religion for this one. Think about whatever your beliefs are. Now think about how many times you have second guessed your own beliefs.

Im making a bold claim that it is impossible to make yourself fully believe anything (other than fact of course and sometimes not even that), and I belive, or almost

, that your conscious will not allow you to fully believe what you think you do.

There will always be a little voice in the back of your head saying "Hey bro, what if its all wrong?".
"What if there really is/isnt a god"?

Im also going to make a claim that people try to subliminally shut up that voice in the back of their head by doing practices like going to church.
Dont get me wrong many people attend church to practice their faith, but im sure we all know of some people who go just to "shut up their concious" if you will, and fool themselves into thinking they dont doubht a bit of scripture.

Maybe im just a paranoid skeptic or maybe im just using my own brain to know whats going on inside yours!
I personally would like my conscious to roam free and let him think whatever he wants.

Didnt mean to step on any toes.
Please inform me if its a rule to provide evidence, as I have none.

Agree/Disagree?

That little voice in my head said not to come out guns blazing on you so I won't.

a reply to: In4ormant

Would I be correct if I said that voice also told you to consider opening fire?

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Agreed. Plenty of people choose not to let their mind wonder, or they dont have the mental ability.

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: In4ormant

Would I be correct if I said that voice also told you to consider opening fire?

If that voice had a constant stance, nondeterminate of my moods I might consider it. But.....I had a good day, I'm in a good mood so "it" was relaxed as well.

a reply to: frostie

So according to your title your conscious won't let you believe what you think you believe?

Some of the biggest mistakes I have made in my life were rooted in not going with my gut instinct.
It may have seemed rational to hold back at the time, but it usually came back and bit me.

originally posted by: frostie


I personally would like my conscious to roam free and let him think whatever he wants.

Well I try not to belive anything until further swayed by fact because I hate thinking I could be wrong.

originally posted by: frostie

originally posted by: frostie


I personally would like my conscious to roam free and let him think whatever he wants.

Well I try not to belive anything until further swayed by fact because I hate thinking I could be wrong.

I must admit I'm somewhat confused by your post. Maybe its just me.

a reply to: In4ormant

I tend to confuse myself aswell. Ill get better at this whole forum ordeal and learn to make my stuff clear and consice. Criticism is always accepted.

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: In4ormant

I tend to confuse myself aswell. Ill get better at this whole forum ordeal and learn to make my stuff clear and consice. Criticism is always accepted.[/quote

I don't think the "voice" is anything more than doubt. Your unsure of an outcome whether it be in a situation that affects you in the short term or, something like religion (your point) that has implications over a linger period of time. Its just an internalized survival instinct. It exerts no "control" over you.

a reply to: frostie

Great work on your pilot thread - very impressed and intrigued.

But I do think I agree with your overall conclusion. Your own conscious does seem to inhibit certain dogmas and perceptions about the world outside

Pharmaceuticals can certainly alter this natural inclination though. As can traumatic experiences, hypnotism, and a litany of other potential catalysts

a reply to: In4ormant

Thats a Great point.

So a survival instinct that is extremely effective!

a reply to: frostie
When you really examine what belief is, it is just a concept or thought or set of thoughts. Belief has no real substance and so is never going to be completely convincing.

What is self-evidently true is another matter - but that does not require belief.

a reply to: bb23108

So they why even have the concept of faith. Why would you even completely immerse yourself in a set of principles that cant be completely convincing.

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: In4ormant

Thats a Great point.

So a survival instinct that is extremely effective!

I guess it is or none of us would be here discussing it. Nice 1st thread

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: bb23108
So they why even have the concept of faith. Why would you even completely immerse yourself in a set of principles that cant be completely convincing.

I see faith and belief as very different. Faith is really an intuitive matter of the heart - what one experiences directly in relation to Reality.

Belief is a set of concepts about what we think Reality (or anything else) is - and is always subject to doubt.

a reply to: frostie

I have heard there is a saying that goes "believe the belief" and I think that is for those who are struggling with that voice and for some it works well enough or at least quite's that voice down.

I can be slightly solipsist on occasion especially when I have too much time on my hands and start to ponder.

a reply to: bb23108

Ahhh I love it when someone like yourself can make my brain hurt and I follow what youre saying.