The Declaration of Independence 2015 Discussion Topic

a reply to: undo

I agree with that and was going to bring up that point but wanted to add that there are a few politicians that do indeed need to be punished somehow. The actions and words from them did not go un heard and they certainly will not go forgotten.

Its time for something to happen, and as much as many of us would wish it to be a peaceful change, human nature suggests otherwise.

a reply to: undo

I am not talking about government employees. Most of those people simply follow orders and earn a paycheck. I'm talking about politicians. Elected officials and possibly those chosen for their positions by elected officials (ie. cabinet members and such).

Not every government official takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Those who did, and failed to uphold that oath, or worse directly went against that oath, are the one's who need punished as an example and precedent.

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

while i agree these people need to be out of office, i don't agree that singling them out for bad behavior is going to bring back people's lost labor/money/businesses/etc . it would just be an act of vengeance, for which there are many prior culprits as well, who are either passed away or so old, that getting to them to confess would be akin to abuse of the elderly. not justifying it, just saying the whole thing would be much better, if we just let them retire with their pensions, and replaced them with people who want to do the job correctly. this is the problem with that though:

all the politicians etc that have been behaving badly (for at least a couple generations of politicians this has been a problem) are doing so at the behest of the globalists. they are not friendly fellows. if you cut into their pie, they'll have this country slow roasted over barbecue pit in short order. all you have to do is recall what happened to all the presidents who tried to get rid of the central bank. you would have to come to some kind of agreement with them or might as well kiss the entire north american continent, goodbye.

a reply to: undo

I think you are missing the point of a "Declaration of Independence". It means that they government either steps down and recognizes the people to instate a new governance, OR, there is a revolution; a violent and deadly revolution.

It is not the government's job to give people labor, money, business, ect. it is the job of the free market. The government is in place to facilitate the growth of said things and protect the people.

As for letting the people all go and giving them pensions - they don't deserve pensions and there is no guarantee of a lifetime of pension for doing the service of serving your country. Government office should not be a get rich quick job that sets you for life, it should be an average paying job that is fulfilling due to facts of being able to influence the direction of your country and the people within, recognizing their interests on a grand scale. The country is in no position financially to give every government employee a lifetime pension plan for their service, no are they deserving of it either.

Lastly, if the people who are perpetrators of violating The Constitution and the rights of the people they represent are let off and let go, what example does that set for future elected officials to obey The Constitution? It doesn't, they simply do what they want and walk away with a big fat pension in the end - a gigantic problem that already exists.

There is an infinite lack of accountability for our elected officials and if corruption and Constitutional law is expected to thrive in a Republic, that has to change and it will begin with the ousting of the current officials who knowingly and willingly violated their contract with the public.

As for the globalists and their interests: if they want their way then they can go to war with the American public and lose.

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

the globalists already planned for this in advance. remember how they were all buddy buddy with saddam until he did something they didn't like? so they got some friends from all over the globe, together, and went and beat the snot out of him, not once, but twice, and all his people. then made friends with the one group of iraqis, vacated, only to see those iraqis get slaughtered by isis, who was funded by the globalists. you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. i dunno how they manage it.

these guys started the bolshevik revolution and hitler. they've funded marxism and fascism all over the planet. and they aren't just brits and americans. there's japanese in the globalists, germans, israelis, chinese, and likely saudi and several other european countries. and probably a few of their secret partners are muslim nations as well. and there's compelling evidence, even the vatican is in there. they can bring down the full force of the entire planet on our butts, and have already set us up to have many people who would be more than willing, even thrilled with the idea of destroying the great satan or whatever the newest phrase is to apply to the globalist's meat shields (et.al, americans).

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

Sadly OP

Only when food becomes scarce will revolution happen

People are just too fat still

originally posted by: MensaIT3
a reply to: TheNewRevolution

Sadly OP

Only when food becomes scarce will revolution happen

People are just too fat still

you mean sorta how the bolsheviks under stalin, starved the ukrainians to death in their own homes, by stealing all their food , their seed to grow food , shot them if they were caught picking food from what was once their own farms and gardens, now confiscated by the proliteriat, surrounded the ukraine with soldiers and then just waited till millions of people starved to death, slowly, over the course of a year, in their own homes. little kids, babies, old people, men, women, didn't matter. death by starvation is gruesome, but not as gruesome as what they did with the sick people who weren't quite dead yet. they'd just throw them in the mass grave with the corpses and bury them alive. and the western press hid that from the world for 40 years and have since been working towards the goal of making us and the rest of the planet, just like the soviet union. marxism=bad.

and the reason they did that? the ukrainians were "tight fisted", they said, because they couldn't produce food fast enough for stalin's 5 year plan. sorta like how american conservatives are characterized as greedy capitalists even though they pay their taxes. (did you know we pay upwards of 90 different taxes?) you think people like that, who are in charge of pretty much every country on the globe, aren't prepared for any possible revolution in the usa? you're dreaming. they're importing people from socialist and enemy nations who will do whatever they say, to keep from starving themselves. so we have a steady flow of enemy combatants coming over the borders, some of which have a vendetta for what happened already, in their countries. and all of which are absolutely steeped in the belief that american caucasians are the scourge of the earth.

i will repeat, this is not going to be successful without using the normal channels and then reverse the damage slowly, over time, and in a way that doesn't hurt the globalists. unfortunately, this is reality.

this isn't 1776. these guys have had a few hundreds years, at the very least, perfecting the overthrow and subjugation of nations all over the world, and they aren't just americans or brits, as i said earlier. the leaders and aristocracy of the other globalist nations, are benefiting, while the american people and the rest of the people on the globe, are deemed as nothing but cannon fodder and ripe targets for massive theft.

one thing is for certain. if you want democrats to join your cause, you'll have to call it a marxist revolution. not a very thrilling prospect is it? imagine having to start your revolution where more than half the country, is already an enemy combatant to any idea other than marxism.

i'm not being a defeatist but you can't return this nation to where it originally was, as a peaceful, non-interfering, non globalist , free country, without some mighty fine, perhaps even miraculous, and definitely genius, footwork. starting off by condemning wide swaths = you gotta be kidding me, do you have a death wish or what?

I would agree with most of what this Declaration states aside from the following:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

(Emphasis Mine)

Replace "Their Creator" with "Virtue of Human Life" and you have my endorsement. I don't want any new Declaration even hinting at religion in it's document.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

many of the founding fathers were deists, christians, and various forms of masonry, such as rosicrucianism. of course their documents would not read like the communist manifesto. the beliefs ranged from a personal god to the universe/nature, being god. and somehow, they all managed to get along...well, that is till the globalists finally got a death grip on the country, by corrupting a president, instituting the central bank, the "federal" reserve and the irs.

a reply to: undo

Even more reason to remove such silly notions from a NEW Declaration.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: undo

Even more reason to remove such silly notions from a NEW Declaration.

ah so your creator is not nature ?

anyway, i hope the op can see, the problem is systemic as well as global. the two major parties are extremely polarized along the lines of religion/atheism, to the point where if one side thinks something is a good idea, the other side will automatically want the exact opposite, just because. it wasn't nearly this bad before the 80s.

as a christian, i side with secularists on many topics because i don't personally want to be under the rule of any particular religious group. however, the secularists, don't appreciate the christians who support them because they've been radicalized for just this time in our history. they want to embrace a totalitarian government, if for no other reason than to rid society of religion, which our current government is not a workable model. but it appears they want to start with christians. so they are embracing islam because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

i figure once they manage to get rid of christians, they will then turn on islam and blame them for the whole thing. globalist tactic, says i. in fact, we're all like little globalist puppets on strings. i'm trying very hard not to be, but it's nearly impossible seeing how every narrative is pumped into society with globalist fingerprints all over it

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

The term Creator covers all ideologies from intelligent design, to ancient alien theorists, to evolutionary biologists. A creator is something that creates, it does not have to be a god or have anything to do with a religion, however it would be the idea of each individual signer to determine what it means to them.

The Constitution would have expansion on separating religion from government.

a reply to: undo

I believe your attitude is completely defeatist and is similar to people who claim that a revolution could never be won.

My ideals have and always will be based around freedom. Individual freedom, economic freedom, social freedom, religious freedom, ALL FREEDOM.

Therefore my ideologies do not exist at the behest of globalists nor do I care to appease them in my quest to gain freedom for myself and others, for freedom under them isn't exactly freedom now is it?

Regardless of what you believe or what the facts may be, I do not care about globalists or what they are capable of. I believe in manufacturing documents and a new form of Republican government that is virtually incorruptible and impenetrable from corporate and global interests, short of them gaining the entire support of the populace to vote for measures against their own freedoms. Yes, this has happened in the past but I seek to eliminate that possibility by outlawing anything BUT freedom unless agreed upon by each individual. The true standing of a Republic and not a Democracy, where the individual will rule themselves and not a majority.

As I said before, if a revolution were to happen and the people involved were to instate new governments, the globalists would have a hell of a war on their hands getting their power structure back in. And hell, if they want to and are capable of bringing the country to ashes in attempts to do that, then it will be over my dead body that they have my submission and that of any true patriot that exists.

a reply to: MensaIT3

And so we should be prepared for when that day comes because we are one natural disaster or major war away from that reality.

I do not so much believe it to be food in modern times, but distractions. It is through distractions and media manipulation that the people are able to remain appeased and ignorant. You take away distractions and the people will be forced to focus on the things affecting their lives rather than the methods on which to take that away. Eyes will turn towards government issues and emotions will certainly flair in no time.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: undo

Even more reason to remove such silly notions from a NEW Declaration.

ah so your creator is not nature ?

anyway, i hope the op can see, the problem is systemic as well as global. the two major parties are extremely polarized along the lines of religion/atheism, to the point where if one side thinks something is a good idea, the other side will automatically want the exact opposite, just because. it wasn't nearly this bad before the 80s.

as a christian, i side with secularists on many topics because i don't personally want to be under the rule of any particular religious group. however, the secularists, don't appreciate the christians who support them because they've been radicalized for just this time in our history. they want to embrace a totalitarian government, if for no other reason than to rid society of religion, which our current government is not a workable model. but it appears they want to start with christians. so they are embracing islam because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

i figure once they manage to get rid of christians, they will then turn on islam and blame them for the whole thing. globalist tactic, says i. in fact, we're all like little globalist puppets on strings. i'm trying very hard not to be, but it's nearly impossible seeing how every narrative is pumped into society with globalist fingerprints all over it

Maybe you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. I have nothing against religion in any form (until they get violent or hateful at least). I just think the term "Creator" in the Declaration leaves the door open to misinterpretation by future generations, who may say "This country was FOUNDED on religion, they even refer to an intelligent creator in the declaration of independence!"

After all, it is the CURRENT documents that are currently used by the religious to (erroneously) claim that the United States is a Christian/Insert Denomination Here Nation for the very reason I state above. I am only thinking of how people in the future would interpret the documents, and prefer to err on the side caution in regards to any notion of a creator in our declaration, be it "Nature", "Intelligence", "Aliens", etc. so as to dispel any thoughts that the nation was founded in principles of religion.

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

erm, perhaps you haven't been keeping track of their progress, globally? do you think we need to descend to third world status, to wake us up? didn't help the south africans, i can tell ya that. being a farmer in south africa, is the most dangerous occupation in the world. when they kill them to take their farms, they don't march them outside and shoot them, put them on trial, or even chop their heads off; instead, the rape them vaginally and anally, even if the farmers are old people, then douse them with gasoline, burn them with fire, penentrate them with broom handles (some of it reminds me of the tortures of the old holy roman empire), scorch them hot irons, and basically torture them to death first, including toddlers and children. once the place is destablized, the idea we could get it back under control without a representative government going along with it, is the height of ignorance.

there was a report that a town in...i'm thinking it was nigeria, rounded up all the christians, stuffed them in a tent, and ran the tent over with a tank. and another, where the women who admitted they were christians, were held down and then a breast would be wacked off/sawed off (after being raped of course), and then would leave them for dead.

ever read what goes on in mexico? all that #, is flooding over our borders for just such a moment when we've decided we've had enough..

a reply to: undo

Major difference between us and most other countries is the fact that we are the most well armed populace on the planet. There will be no peaceful rounding up and raping/running us over in tents. Even if people who are not armed are faced with such persecution, I have no doubt that American's, at least the ones I know, will make sure to prevent or stop whatever acts like that are happening.

I feel like this is getting off topic completely.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

It certainly makes sense what you are saying.

I can't say I don't agree with it but it would be nice to have other opinions and discussion on it as well. It seems people either don't like to read or just don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole.