Go Fund Me- Chemtrail testing?

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: payt69
for us to get these documents relating to 1940 to 1979 that the military were spraying us they had to release them after 30 years, If you do not understand that there is a depopulation agenda going on and they are attacking us from all sides I can only assume you are on the side of evil and blatantly not researching things,

Really? Is that how things work these days? Sounds like quite the cult you're involved in. You're either with us or against us, right? Exactly the typical mode of thinking one sees in cults and fundamentalist organisations. Our way is the only way, and if you're not with us, you're against us. No middle ground, no neutrality

I don't see any indication of depopulation going on. I do see people living longer, and I see the population growing everywhere.

If you are on the side of good then I suggest you start your research with operation gladio this will give you the proof that our militaries and security services are in reality terrorists that completely protect the devil and in doing so are even killing there own family members.

from this point we can now know that there is something extremely wrong with this world and that things are not the way they should be If you need proof that the military are still spraying us then whistleblower Kristen Meghan will give you all the proof you need

No Kristen isn't all I need. She may be all YOU needed to confirm your bias, but I need more than the statements of a repeater of the chemtrail hoax nonsense. I need verifyable facts than I can check out myself. Claims from authority don't cut it for me.

You've probably been reminded of this a couple of times, but she stated (on metabunk) that her being a whistleblower has nothing to do with chemtrails. In other words, she's just repeating the same nonsense from the same sources every other chemtrail believer does.

originally posted by: payt69
You've probably been reminded of this a couple of times, but she stated (on metabunk) that her being a whistleblower has nothing to do with chemtrails. In other words, she's just repeating the same nonsense from the same sources every other chemtrail believer does.

Regardless of how Metabunk frames it, that notion is thoroughly negated by listening to her testimony given on January 18, 2014 at an event sponsored jointly by Gigi Bowman for State Senate and Oath Keepers.

She doesn't begin by saying the word "chemtrails," however. She uses the word "geoengineering."

Later, she explains that she learned the term "chemtrails" from someone, in 2006, began researching, and found that it changed her life.

Later, her personal story working for the Air Force unfolds, which can be summarized as having her detail-oriented, professional good work done on the job being rewarded by her superior treating her like a mental patient. This was followed by finding that she was being demonized.

That is the classic modus operadi of the minions of the shadow government when dealing with those who have the courage to point out things that are wrong in the system we live in.

Therein lies the evidence.

If you listen to her testimony with an open mind, I don't see how you can not hear the truth in her voice.

originally posted by: ConnectDots

originally posted by: payt69
You've probably been reminded of this a couple of times, but she stated (on metabunk) that her being a whistleblower has nothing to do with chemtrails. In other words, she's just repeating the same nonsense from the same sources every other chemtrail believer does.

If you listen to her testimony with an open mind, I don't see how you can not hear the truth in her voice.

I don't doubt she truely believes, just as all the other chemtrail believers.

a reply to: ConnectDots

So what has she said that you could verify as fact, and bring down the whole chemtrail theory into real life? Does she have any special insight into the spray ops since she was in the USAF? Surely she has some pictures of the spray planes, or a page form the TO I discussed earlier right?

Remember, she is a whitlsblower against the "shadow government". Yet, somehow, she exists. She hasn't been killed.
I don't even remember hearing about attempts on her life. How do you explain that?

Regardless of how Metabunk frames it, that notion is thoroughly negated by listening to her testimony given on January 18, 2014 at an event sponsored jointly by Gigi Bowman for State Senate and Oath Keepers.

It's not the way metabunk frames it though, but it's her own statement.

Have a look for yourself: www.metabunk.org...

post #49

My whistleblowing is not related to chemtrails, it is related to industrial ground activities that overexposed the workers and they didn't want it reported, and since I took the samples, they wanted to demonize me in case I spoke out.

It is going through what I did as a whistleblower than led to my activism. Chemtrails and the TSA are my biggest topics I am linked to.

post #52

Jay, I wasn't a whistleblower in regards to chemtrails. It was a completely different situation about overexposures to carcinogens on base they wanted to keep quiet.

post #104

Many of you have gone off into dead end paths, there are so many assumptions I don't even know where to begin. My bring a whistleblower has nothing to do with anything at Tinker AFB, that was just one place I was stationed. I feel like I do a video reply to this thread because I'm worn out reading how far of things have gotten

She doesn't begin by saying the word "chemtrails," however. She uses the word "geoengineering."

Same forum same thread, post #41

I'm not sure why you say chemtrails are debunked they are completely real and have been around for years. Yes, I am a USAF whistleblower I mentioned the details in a different reply somewhere on this thread. The information is in front of our faces and the EPA knows it is going on but turns their head to it.

There is indeed a trend in which chemtrail believers are trying to reboot the concept of 'chemtrails' and call it 'geoengineering', since that's supposed to lend more credibility to their claims. The only thing that's actually changed is that they're now saying the persistent contrails serve some other purpose than population reduction, mind control, spreading disease, etc and calling it geoengineering. It still claims that contrails can't persist on their own though, a claim that's easily debunked.

Later, she explains that she learned the term "chemtrails" from someone, in 2006, began researching, and found that it changed her life.

Later, her personal story working for the Air Force unfolds, which can be summarized as having her detail-oriented, professional good work done on the job being rewarded by her superior treating her like a mental patient. This was followed by finding that she was being demonized.

That is the classic modus operadi of the minions of the shadow government when dealing with those who have the courage to point out things that are wrong in the system we live in.

Therein lies the evidence.

If demonisation is evidence of anything, then how do you feel about her statements about metabunk and contrailscience at 17:55 in the video. She tells some pretty bold LIES about Mick West and his sites right there, without backing it up. There's no evidence whatsoever that Mick is affiliated with 'the government' in any way. Also her statement that he has no credentials is utter garbage.

Why would one need credentials to run a website pointing out errors in the chemtrail theory? His statements speak for themselves, and if you see any errors in them, feel free to point them out (Mick actually invites you and other chemtrail believers to do just that). Then go and try and do the same on geoengineeringwatch or any major chemtrail hub, and experience the difference. We've been able to see how that goes in last few days with the Thai 747 fuel dump, right?

You see, these are things that one can verify for yourself, and if Kristen fails to tell us the truth regarding those points, then why should I believe her on any of the points she makes?

If you listen to her testimony with an open mind, I don't see how you can not hear the truth in her voice.

Well I tend to look at the facts, not so much the tone of someones voice. I'm not interested in her as an individual, only in what she has to say. And so far the things that I've been able to check myself don't work out favorably for her claims. She's learned about 'chemtrails' the same way you did; through the internet hoax that so many scientifically challenged people fall victim to.

originally posted by: ConnectDots
If you listen to her testimony with an open mind, I don't see how you can not hear the truth in her voice.

Have you ever heard of "Used Car Salesman"? they sound very convincing and honest as well. But as it turns out, they aren't always as honest as they sound. Funny that.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ConnectDots
If you listen to her testimony with an open mind, I don't see how you can not hear the truth in her voice.

Have you ever heard of "Used Car Salesman"? they sound very convincing and honest as well. But as it turns out, they aren't always as honest as they sound. Funny that.

Very true. It's actually really easy to argue for some point of view and make it sound like you really mean it. In the case of chemtrails it's especially easy, since apparently you don't need facts to back you up. All you need to do is to claim you're the victim of demonisation, and state it all with lots of emotion and like you REALLY mean it, and Bob's your uncle. Those seem to be the things that really count in chemtrail land.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ConnectDots
If you listen to her testimony with an open mind, I don't see how you can not hear the truth in her voice.

Have you ever heard of "Used Car Salesman"? they sound very convincing and honest as well. But as it turns out, they aren't always as honest as they sound. Funny that.

Same with politicians

a reply to: network dude

Not an apt comparison at all in my book.

Salesmen have to sell to make a living.

And if one is generally aware of what's going on in the world, as learned by seeking information from sources other than mainstream news and mainstream science as represented by "peer-reviewed papers," the universities and journals associated with them being funded by the shadow government, which, in turn, controls them - then one has a frame of reference with which to put things in perspective.

Continuing to argue that Kristen Meghan is an unreliable witness, coming from a position of willfully refusing to check on information posted on threads concerning the shadow government - is taking a position of willful ignorance.

Do you want to seek the truth, or do you just want to seem to be right?

originally posted by: ConnectDots
a reply to: network dude

Not an apt comparison at all in my book.

Salesmen have to sell to make a living.

KRISTEN MEGHAN

Title: Writer, Activist

Location: Chicago, IL

Background: Kristen spent 9 years on active duty in the U.S. Air Force in Bioenvironmental Engineering, working in industrial hygiene and environmental protection. She separated honorably after fulfilling her enlistments, and blowing the whistle on unethical operations. Following her time in the military, Kristen worked for the Veterans Health Administration as an Industrial Hygienist and Environmental Specialist. After spending 11 years working for the Federal Government, she left her government position to work in the private sector. It is the contradictions and selective enforcement by the U.S. Government that have led her to become an advocate for holding government employees accountable to their oaths! Waking up to the realities of the ever-growing infringement upon our rights, she has expanded her platform as a loud mouth liberty enforcer; holding police accountable and showcasing those who honor their oaths! Kristen is a high demand speaker who has been on numerous podcasts, radio shows, appeared on television, and in several up and coming documentaries.

iamlola.org...

So she does this for a living. Tell me again how this is different?

ETA: I'll ask you the same question. I am willing to accept if I am wrong. Are you?

"Do you want to seek the truth, or do you just want to seem to be right?"

a reply to: ConnectDots

Kristen Meghan IS an unreiliable witness :

just listen to her alledged testionony - and play the spot whats missing game :

she omits vital facts and details from her claims

why ?????????????????

originally posted by: ConnectDots
a reply to: network dude

Not an apt comparison at all in my book.

Salesmen have to sell to make a living.

And if one is generally aware of what's going on in the world, as learned by seeking information from sources other than mainstream news and mainstream science as represented by "peer-reviewed papers," the universities and journals associated with them being funded by the shadow government, which, in turn, controls them - then one has a frame of reference with which to put things in perspective.

Continuing to argue that Kristen Meghan is an unreliable witness, coming from a position of willfully refusing to check on information posted on threads concerning the shadow government - is taking a position of willful ignorance.

Do you want to seek the truth, or do you just want to seem to be right?

Here you go defending these lying bags of crap again. In my previous post I demonstrated how she lies (about Mick West), and that's just ONE example. But it should be all you need to discard her as a reliable anything. Don't take your chances with these people.

We've already been through the same situation with Dane Wigington, and at least you seem to realize that something is wrong with that guy. But it's a pattern with all these chemtrail people. Michael Murphy, Kristen Meghan, Dane Wigington, Russ Tanner (that's a fun one.. don't get me started) etc.

Just because they're not in the mainstream news doesn't make them automatically right. You still need to check their facts.

a reply to: payt69

It'll be Ted Gunderson next

originally posted by: ConnectDots
a reply to: network dude

Not an apt comparison at all in my book.

Salesmen have to sell to make a living.

I just can't get past this hippocricy from you. It's frightening.
Dane Wiggington- professional speaker/activist on chemtrails
Christian Mehgan- professional speaker/whistle blower activist on military wrongdoings (hoodwinked into the chemtrail meme)

These people MAKE THEIR LIVING SELLING YOU THEIR IDEAS!!!!!!

But in one respect you are right. It's not exactly the same thing. A used car salesman might actually be selling you a decent car. The Charlatans you champion sell you outright lies, and you lap them up like a thirsty dog.

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: payt69
for us to get these documents relating to 1940 to 1979 that the military were spraying us they had to release them after 30 years, If you do not understand that there is a depopulation agenda going on .....

To show exactly HOW much a failure this agenda is:

a reply to: ConnectDots

And if one is generally aware of what's going on in the world, as learned by seeking information from sources other than mainstream news and mainstream science as represented by "peer-reviewed papers," the universities and journals associated with them being funded by the shadow government, which, in turn, controls them - then one has a frame of reference with which to put things in perspective.

I am going to guess that Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson is one of your favorite movies.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ConnectDots

And if one is generally aware of what's going on in the world, as learned by seeking information from sources other than mainstream news and mainstream science as represented by "peer-reviewed papers," the universities and journals associated with them being funded by the shadow government, which, in turn, controls them - then one has a frame of reference with which to put things in perspective.

I am going to guess that Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson is one of your favorite movies.

Just wait until Gibson plays A.C. Griffith in Beyond Scalardome.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

You can't get off the ridicule bandwagon, can you?

It works, but to what end?

a reply to: ConnectDots
It's a joke. A topical joke. What's worse, lying to people or a joke that bothers you?

Do you even get it? Mel Gibson-Mad Max-Beyond Thunderdome. See what I did?

You're free to quit trying to enforce your personal pet peeves as well.

Has your investigation of GEwatch turned up any reasons why Dane has never gone up to test trails in situ?

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: ConnectDots

It's a joke. A topical joke. What's worse, lying to people or a joke that bothers you?

Obfuscation and denial.

Twisting the meanings of words.

Changing the subject.