NBC News’ Richard Engel Slams Obama’s ‘Convoluted’ and ‘Incoherent’ Iran Policy

Ahh, nothing more invigorating than a good, old fashioned "let's dump on Obama" thread. And if you defend him, why, sweet Christmas! You must have blinders, or be deluded, or maybe one of THEM!!!! So there were hiccoughs with Romneycare,ok, at least he didn't invade the wrong damn country. At least he didn't negotiate with terrorsists to get elcted. or, you know, illegally bug the DNC. I know he's done some things I'm not too happy with, but for heaven's sake, stop being FOX and cut the guy a little slack. He's trying to get healthcare affordable for everyone, he hasn't come for your guns or your bibles, and frankly, he's not that bad a cat. I just believe ill of anyone who enjoys Guinness that much. So, yeah, Gobama!!

a reply to: Ironhawke

You must BE Harry Reid! Thanks for retiring, Harry.

Obama is either inscrutible or the biggest fool ever to play with fire in the most dangerous part of the world despite having considerable powers of lateral thinking and a reasonable grounding in strategy Im not quite mad enough to fathom him,only history will know.

a reply to: Ultralight

I could think of worse things to be compared to. Rather be compared to, oh I dunno, Freddie Mercury personally

a reply to: Ironhawke



Are you living in make believe land or what......Affordable health care for all.......Really. And before you say I am pro-fox or republican party......I think they are all progressive scum.



This president just like the last one and the one before him are playing a part. Truth be told if Romney had won we would be seeing the exact same thing.

a reply to: SubTruth

and if Mc Cain had won the cockroach would by now be the supreme being

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: Ultralight

No, just intelligent compassionate liberals who, you know, think as opposed to fear. And who thinks President Obama's done a MUCH better job than certain other Naz..err, WASPY "Presidents"... *cough cough Herr Bush cough cough*

By my observation, the root of most socialist arguments have to do with the fear of not having a job, housing, material and physical security. In order to acquire these trappings they appear to be utterly willing to abdicate nearly all freedoms.

For the post 911 Republicans, it was only physical security.

"Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

- Benjamin Franklin

a reply to: SubTruth

No, I live in a land where I belioeve in giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I know too many people who have benefited from Romneycare. I think some of his policies are dead-on, others not so much. I make the FOX joke since well, if you quack like a duck ( or Megyn Kelly)....

If he was truly "playing a part" would a political party be doing the self-destruct act we're seeing just to spite the guy? Isn't it possible that sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar?

a reply to: Ironhawke

Romney read the Romneycare bill before signing it. The Dems had to pass ACA Bill and THEN read it. C'mon, Harry you have to admit that was bad partisan politicking.

Obama no longer wants it to be called Obamacare. No,no...it's the Affordable (bahahahaha) Care Act that forces men to purchase maternity coverage for themselves.

And how about that "scintilla" of scandal surrounding his pals at the IRS?

I could go on and on but why bother? He will pardon Hillary and go on to work on his own *wink, wink* foundation.

a reply to: Ironhawke

I think you missed the point so I will type slower this time around. If Romney had won we would have Romney care and it would be exactly the same......Hmmm think about why that is.....Hmmmm.



This is also the reason why Obama signed the patriot act and continued the wars......Hmm. Why would he do that......Unless.......

a reply to: Ultralight

It was always called the ACA. I call it Romneycare cause the GOP first came up with it. never said it was perfect, I just don't believe in the Sith-level hate of the President. There are much better things to argue over than Obama. And don't call me Harry ;-)

Seriously, it baffles me. There wasn't THIS much criticism of Clinton..(I would say Bush 2.0, but everyone knew Darth Cheney was running that show.)

a reply to: Ironhawke

Omg! I misread your post. I thought you wanted to be compared to Fred MacMurray! lololol

a reply to: Ironhawke

Ok, no more Harry. Harold?

Clinton has his time in the hot seat. "depends on what your definition of 'is' is..."

a reply to: Ultralight

Well, at least it's a Fred. Seriously, think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't want this to devolve into a shouting match with bruised feelings/egos, which is too damn easy to do on the new and here in in particular. I would love it if we had a better choice, but for now, my Liberal lil heart is gonna have to support our Prez, since the offerings from the other side do make me long for the Dark Side.

a reply to: Ironhawke

For the record Bush was not a good guy. Grandson of Prescott Bush. He had no chance from the start.

a reply to: Ironhawke

Deal! We agree to disagree.

I have not yet defined the Obama good-guys other than the acceptable and friendly ones are generally Muslim Brotherhood

So, in the case of Iran/Persia... the Iranian Muslims the USA will support, but the Persians' aspiring to regional dominance that is not under the control of the USA is verboten

Iran can fight the Sunni-Jihadist IS/ISIS in both Syria and Iraq
Iran can regime change parts of Yemen by Iranian Proxy Army of Huthi (because it threatens the Saudis' protectorate Mecca)
Iran can ultimately deploy low yield tactical fission weapons\
But, Iran(Persia) cannot be the sole Regional Power of the ME if still aligned with Russia or designs to become Caliphate


so... Iran doctrine is not as convoluted as one supposes... your just need the correct lens to see the crisp image
Iran, if it adopts Muslim Brotherhood guidance and sheds the Supreme Leader directorship can enjoy the complete cessation of sanctions and receive fission secrets above the level of power generation enrichment processes


the Obama long-range vision is a unity-peace between Turkey-Persia to keep in line the Saudi led regional leadership and the newly born 10 Arab nation confederation for peace & security fighting mostly the Shia in Yemen/Syria and other pockets of forces (Hezbollah, Shia militias)
So the Obama WH/Oval Office can be both for and against either Saudi or Iran at the same time in different locations or situations.... one would expect such dexterity by an initiator of chaos wouldn't one ?

related article:

shoebat.com... y-daniel/

"Is The Ten Muslim Nation Confederacy We See Forming To Fight Iran’s Expansion, Is The Same Ten Nation Confederacy Spoken By Daniel?"

By Shoebat Foundation on March 27, 2015



this article is an extension of the current dichotomy of policies... the Saudi's feel betrayed by the Obama WH+OOEO
(white house + oval office executive order) brand of leadership

hence the cooperative body of 10 Arab States acting outside of USA umbrella for their own policing & protection from rogue militants or proxy armies

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: Ultralight

"Best president in our Nation's history". There. Fixed that for you.

I'm sure ISIS, Iran and Putin agree.
btw, do you have any specific input on the topic, i.e. foreign policy inconsistencies, or is this just a blind 'Obama good' posting?

interesting thoughts re; the media bailing on Obama. They see his time near it's end and they have to salvage some credibility by actually criticizing him after six years of hero worship.

originally posted by: Ironhawke
"Best president in our Nation's history ...

... for Iran and Putin, but not for the USA.


That being said - NBC News’ Richard Engel Slams Obama’s ‘Convoluted’ and ‘Incoherent’ Iran Policy - gee, looks like NBC actually got something right about Obama for a change. I don't know if that was on purpose or just a happy accident. Either way, good for them!!