U.S. aircraft carrier and part of its escort “sunk” during drills off Florida

Submarines would scare me if I was on a boat. Although, the thought of being crushed and drowned doesn't sound to pleasant either. I think Zaph would agree with me, it'd be better to be up in the sky than on or under the ocean!

originally posted by: Aaamok88
a reply to: MrSpad

These are all excuses

What do you think Russians and Chinese will bring to the table once US finally instigates the war

But don't let me ruin that cocky feelings of absolute superiority

Clearly you have never been part of a military exercise. What possible value would you get from rolling through and winning every time? None. You want to put your people in the worst possible position and see how they respond. I have been part some where I swear the exercise planners were just sadists. However that is part of training.

As for what the Chinese and Russian would bring to the table the answer is not much. Not compared to what you would find the West bringing.

a reply to: MrSpad

Everyone loves a good Kobayashi maru!

I would imagine a loosing simulation would also help harden people's minds to the grim and quite real possibility that they aren't invincible.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

The life of a submariner is...unique to say the least.

The reason the diesel boats are so much quieter is in the way they operate. A diesel submarine only runs its diesel while it is on the surface or when it is snorkeling (just a large snorkel sticking out of the water for the diesel air intake). While the diesel is running it is charging huge banks of batteries. These batteries are what actually power the boat while it is submerged. The electric motors (using the battery power only) used to turn the propeller shaft are specially built to be very quiet running. That is the downside of a diesel sub though it can only run submerged for as long as its batteries will keep the propeller moving.


If anyone has questions about life on a submarine that I can answer (within my legal ability to do so), ask away.

Just one mistake and a diesel/electric boat is dead. one dropped item or other noise.

They can not out run or hide from a Mk48 Mod 7 Common Broadband Advanced Sonar System (CBASS) torpedo.
en.wikipedia.org...
Then you also have the RUM-139 VL-ASROC. the enemy fire a torpedo and one or more of these will drop on them.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Aaamok88

I have literally no idea how what you said pertains to the OP, let alone what I said.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on you.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I have literally no idea how what you said pertains to the OP, let alone what I said.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on you.

I am talking about exercise that sunk US ship by French of all people

You ???

a reply to: Aaamok88

And you've never been in a training exercise or looked at the French military in detail obviously.

originally posted by: Aaamok88

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I have literally no idea how what you said pertains to the OP, let alone what I said.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on you.

I am talking about exercise that sunk US ship by French of all people

You ???

Actually you said "excess excuses" which I can only presume was supposed to be "excuses excuses." I can somewhat see that as vaguely tying in that I was apparently making excuses, even though that's utterly absurd.

Then you made a comment about how you hope the U.S. sticks to attacking defenseless nations. How that pertains to a war game, I don't know.

Then again, your posts have made it pretty clear you're trying to argue about military matters, albeit from a position of complete ignorance.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Or perhaps you that is your perspective and perspective of few of your buddies

a reply to: Aaamok88

You're right, it is my perspective.

That perspective is based off your comments.

If my perspective is that you are sticking to the OP by the thinnest of threads, and your comments are obviously based off little to no knowledge of the OP then, well....

Sorry that's the image you project brah

a reply to: Zaphod58

Why are you bothering to reply to people like Aaamok88?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Submarines would scare me if I was on a boat. Although, the thought of being crushed and drowned doesn't sound to pleasant either. I think Zaph would agree with me, it'd be better to be up in the sky than on or under the ocean!

My ex told me a few secrets of what goes on in subs, he was on Gold Crew on Trident Submarines. I was even investigated by base police for adultery because his buddy from Blue Crew would visit me and play board games to keep me company when my ex was out to sea. I could care less if base police investigated me or not, I only had one other friend, all my family was far away, I was bored out of my skull with no radio, no TV, no computer. The Navy was constantly messing with his pay, you name it. My ex eventually got out on medical discharge.

The French sub was a nuclear attack sub. It was quiet enough to get in undetected. In comparison Diesel electric type subs when submerged are quieter than nuclear submarines. China has a larger submarine fleet than US and their all Diesel electric so go estimate the win/loss scenario stats with that variable added into the mix.

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

In my war game I would have fleets of ICBMs do airbursts over any of my enemy's taskforces, carriers, etc.

Or if I wanted to get into a Star Wars scenario, I would fire a rail gun or two from space and with only about twenty pounds of tungsten take out a complete carrier in about five minutes. Any ship on the surface of any ocean in WWIII is a nothing but a target, a waste of iron resources.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

Chinese subs also operate closer in for the most part. They're still transitioning into a true blue water Navy.

While conventional subs are very quiet in all electric mode, my experience was that they all had noisier propellers.
In exercises, we were almost always able to pick up a submerged conventional, just from the low frequency blade rates.

We had the hardest time picking up our own nukes. If we did get them, it was usually from auxiliary artifacts, hardly ever the blades. I know the Navy did extensive research on modal analysis of the nuke blades in manufacture, and tuned them to minimal cavitation, along with some unique physical designs. That was almost 40 years ago, so I would imagine this only got better. On the analysis side, that equipment certainly got a lot better as well.


MrSpad also had a great point.. Often in exercises, purposeful mistakes would be injected into the mix with the sole purpose of uncovering weaknesses. That is how you learn.