Why are Hitler and Obama taking all the criticism?

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Im very well versed on the rise of Hitler, mostly through the pushing of the subject in schools. I don't make excuses for things what happened, but I don't accept the view of Hitler in history as the reason these things happened. These views on jews, economy etc were all very common in Germany and much of the world well before hitler was "brought" into power. He in my opinion had little actual say on much of the events that happened. He obviously accepted them and condoned them, but I feel these were planned out well in advance before this nobody came to power.

The same with Obama, Clinton, bush. These bills, actions etc were planned without their say but only put into action by their seal of approval. Do you think these elite masters would allow these "outsiders" to come from nowhere and control and dictate their future.....I don't think so.

originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: noeltrotsky

Im very well versed on the rise of Hitler,

so you say

These views on jews, economy etc were all very common in Germany and much of the world well before hitler was "brought" into power.

Actually the anti-Semitic attitude of the Nazi party held them back from more support in the election of 1933, where they only gained 33% of the vote. Due to the deadlock in the Reichstag Hitler was put into power. Provide ANY proof that Hitler was 'brought' into power by some corporations or anyone else. The Historical records is quite clear how he gained power and it doesn't include your conspiracy. The other political parties tried to do everything to keep him out of power but caved in because the government would be deadlocked and non-functioning.

He in my opinion had little actual say on much of the events that happened.

Do you have ANY evidence to support your opinion? The historical record is that the Nazi party was highly militarized and Hitler as the leader had complete and total control over everything. The Nazi's kept extensive records of Hitler's decisions running the party and the government. There are NO RECORDS of any other person, corporation or mystery person telling Hitler what to do.

Some place for you to learn a little more about the period you are posting about...
www.myjewishlearning.com...

Of course you have simply posted your opinion and provided no evidence to support it. Everyone gets an opinion and others get to evaluate your opinion on the support you provide for it. I obviously find your opinion unsupported by everything I've learned on the subject.

originally posted by: smurfy
Funny thing about Hitler is that over the years so many people have come out with what is now a urban expression a baldy," Hitler was right" WTF is that supposed to mean? racial perfection, socialism, nationalism or just destroying the world end of..all of those ideas are nominees, all of those ideas still exist..funny that! Funny as in funny peculiar.

It is a very common attitude among the northern liberal elite, inexplicable as it is.

Not so much among rank and file Democrats, thankfully.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Hi I understand you have researched the history of this subject extensively and respect that. The only thing I can question is the texts and papers you read/research are they reliable and who wrote them. For example the Nazi government documenting all of Hitlers decisions and commands. Do you not find this strange? It is a perfect way to gather all blame etc onto one person. Im sorry but this is ridiculous. Not even God himself can have this kind of unquestioned decision making.

The best place to start would be to look at the founders of the DAP and their influence on the Nazi party. One of the founding members of the DAP also one of the earliest members of the Nazi party Gottfried Feder, had a dominant view on the finance of the party and economics. This shaped the party which had a large part to do with the blame on rich Jewish banksters. And for some reason Hitler, who was recruited by this man decided to go against his views due to pressure from rich industrialists and the people in high places eg Albert Voegler, Thyssen and Gustav Krupp just to name a few.

There I feel you gain an insight into the powers that really directed the Nazi party and ultimately Hitler. These views were not original to Hitler, he was recruited into the party and his actions and policies controlled by the puppet masters. I find it unbelievable that Hitler could go against such a prominent founder/member of the party early in his career. What I feel (my opinion and interpretation of documents) is Hitler was a great orator and seen as a symbol for the hard working ordinary man on the street harnessing all the hatred and injustice felt during the depression where the rich jews were seen as easy targets. Many could relate to Hitler which was why he was chosen to front this massive land/resource/wealth grab at the cost of unimaginable lives with the jews taking the blame.

I don't say Hitler was not scum nor the acts that happened. I want to bring what I feel is an obvious view that no man so easily comes to have so much power like the "history" books teach. Look at all the presidencies, prime ministers etc these people are chosen a long time in advance and are backed by the wealthy as its their concerns they want looked after. Can you not fathom that this could have happened with Hitler?

I'll try to help clarify a bit without writing a book.

- Germans were already pretty antisemitic
- Hitler was a celebrity, a war veteran who had published his autobiography/political indoctrine after being thrown in prison for treason. Etc
- He had been a professional orator.
- He clawed his way up from nothing, became very politically active, and was essentially the perfect leader: Germany was still sore from WWI, their economy and pride were badly hurting. Hitler was their phoenix from the ashes.
- The Nazi party staged a coup to gain majority in parliament. Hitler was groomed for leadership.
- They used the Enabling Act to make Hitler what amounted to a dictator. This was an orchestrated takeover.
- We have access to letters and diaries from Goebbels and Himmler, and it definitely wasn't just Hitler bossing them around.

He was Time magazine's man of the year in 1938 and he invaded Poland in 1939. He was a great figurehead - certainly the star of the show, but he had a full cast and producers and crew behind him.

Hitler also suffered from bipolar disorder (which was actually diagnosed, a whole slew were probably lurking, including PTSD from WWI.). He was frequently ill, and would have died (from Parkinson's or syphilis, it's unlikely we'll ever know but he was rapidly declining) had he not killed himself. There's no way that he's responsible for every atrocity of WWII, and while he was a horrible man, it is still awfully easy to point fingers. He was the most extreme among a group of fanatics. He was loved and respected but his underlings weren't some kind of zombie mob.

There's plenty more out there but I won't take all the fun out of researching.

Source: many years of reading everything I could get my hands on with web support where memory failed.
Or if you'd like a longer read than mine:
en.m.wikipedia.org...

I maintain a neutral approach to research especially with WWII and try not to let the situation muddy my views until I gather enough data. If it's a topic you're interested in this is just a drop in the bucket.

a reply to: Metallicus

How the hell is giving millions of people an option for healthcare in any way related to Hitler?


That is such BS..

Hitler ordered the execution of millions in his own country.


People who compare Obama to Hitler are idiots..plain and simple. Find exact similarities besides having mutual hate for them..then maybe we can talk until..we always have that option of pointing at you and laughing..saying "moron".