Life on Mars was ‘destroyed by nuclear attack’, says physicist – and we could be next

Maybe there are some nukes that havent detonated yet.. and/or advanced/cloaked weapons were used and could be used at any point again

How do I put this? Dr. John Brandenburg is a plasma physicist. He has good credentials, and has done consulting work on propulsion systems and space missile defense systems (including directed energy weapons). And so, he very much has a DoD mindset.

As far as his speculations regarding advanced Martian civilizations and nuclear "airburst" detonations leading to their demise goes, he has met considerable resistance from most of the scientific community. However, certain aspects of his proposal regarding nuclear reactions taking place on the planet have met with much less resistance. Other scientists have proposd that naturally occurring nuclear processes may account for the observations. In any case, more investigation is required.

I must say, while suggesting an advanced Martian civilization destroyed itself in a nuclear holocaust is much more appealing to the imagination, a more scientific approach would be to rule out natural causes first.

The thing is, a person can be both an established scientific authority on certain aspects of nature and a certified whack-job on others. His analysis of the distribution of radioactive nuclear isotopes present on Mars and in it’s atmosphere may be groundbreaking, while his speculations about their origin may be more suitable in an Immanuel Velikovsky type novel.

Personally, I have strong feelings about the Biker Chicks On Mars. In some of those NASA images I know I’ve seen tire tracks in the dirt, and in one of them just as clear as day their was a pair of panties right next to a rock. Hey, seeing is believing. Can’t argue facts...

VROOM VROOOM!!!!

Just to bump this a wee bit (and hi OP!), I just watched a YT video from last October's Secret Space Program symposium in Austin, where Brandenburg says a couple new things ...

that he had the "go ahead and publish" from the DOD on this, and that his basic evidence for artificial nuclear reactions on Mars hasn't been disputed. Meaning the isotopes are not possibly natural and were too high energy for any natural nuke reaction.

Anyhoo... unless I missed a debunking, then artificial nukes being set off on Mars (+/- 250 million yrs ago due to known decay rates) is surprisingly solid... and that alleged "fact" deserves some attention ... so please, if anyone knows this is garbage and can back it up, then set me (and other possibly credulous fools) straight...

anyone?

a reply to: Baddogma

and that his basic evidence for artificial nuclear reactions on Mars hasn't been disputed.

Well, his "evidence" has not been disputed but his interpretation certainly has. So, while it can't definitively be stated that there was never a nuclear blast on Mars, his "evidence" does not definitively say there was. He's saying, in so many words, "unless someone can prove me wrong, I'm right." That's sort of a no-no in science.

The xenon found in some stony meteorites shows a large proportion of xenon-129, believed to be a product of radioactive decay of iodine-129, whose half-life is 17,000,000 years.

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a reply to: Phage

Thanks, Phage... that second link (deconstruction) helped me and was a considered, easy to grok read.

So arguments for a natural explanation (still) exist.

It's still odd and not debunked, but hearing the alternative explanation has helped balance my own looniness and add more grains of sodium to his shtick.

If all this helps us get to Mars, though, then nifty.

earth's future..

perhaps the globalists intend to geoscape venus next.

a reply to: olaru12

Mars is 4.5 Billion years old. Not hard to imagine that an entire civilization could have formed/thrived/self-destructed (or been destroy by aliens) in some window of time there.

Maybe some escaped and came to Earth...or were here before the cataclysm. We could all be descendants of Immigrants from Mars.

It could of been Humans on Mars first, They advanced their technology and ended up just like we are on Earth, Most people want Technology used peacefully and live in a world without War and constant violence inflicted on people all over the Planet. Just like Earth now there could of been a side that thinks peace is not financially good enough, And that War is the only way to make huge amounts of money.
Mars could of had Nations that had their Weapons of destruction far more powerful than Earth has now,
They end at war They use their WMD's and killing nearly all life and making it unihabitable, Any Atmosphere Mars may of had could of been Destroyed. Some Humans may of been able to escape with genetic samples of animal and flower life to the Nearest suitable Planet.
Mars could be a sign to show us what will happen if We continue on our path. Close enough to see our fate

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: olaru12
Mars is 4.5 Billion years old. Not hard to imagine that an entire civilization could have formed/thrived/self-destructed (or been destroy by aliens) in some window of time there.
Maybe some escaped and came to Earth...or were here before the cataclysm. We could all be descendants of Immigrants from Mars.

there might be a linkage between Ancient Mars advanced technology Civilization (and long ago nuclear remnants/artifacts)
just as there are evidence of Nuclear detonations in the Hindu/Indian landscape and there are the flying machines in Indian Myth Tales and Vedas that predate the last Ice Age...
maybe the Mars history and the Vedic History are intertwined between the 2 planets & people from Mars having expeditions to the Indian sub-Continent in the very long ago past

perhaps the remnants of the water-Planet "Vulcan" (now the asteroid belt) left Mars a completely empty world with
the thin atmosphere stripped away... the magnetosphere then collapsed and the shielding from high energy rays doomed any survivor species to a very high risk Doom, inevitable depopulation...

Its my view that the civilization on Mars, eons ago, were visitors/explorers themselves... Mars was not an Evolution Planet... it was a temporary base or platform from which to explore from... Earth being one Planet or Moon with biological lifeforms to study or tinker with

a reply to: carewemust

absolutely, in total agreement with you here. You gotta keep an open mind. I still find much about Mars to be very intriguing, and that includes things like Mars Face.

a reply to: olaru12

Interesting. The link is broken for me but I would like to know his timeline. Did this nuclear bombardment occur before Mars lost most of its atmosphere (and atmospheric pressure) to solar wind, thanks to the failure of their internal dynamo/tiny magnetic field? Or did it occur during this period, after the Martians had abandoned their planet's natural surface and/or when they moved into gigantic domed cities?

(Because if its the latter, I could have saved the attackers a considerable pile of resources by recommending bombardment by relativistic toasters.)

originally posted by: 11SK1180
Mars could be a sign to show us what will happen if We continue on our path. Close enough to see our fate.

I think trying to shoehorn a moral or object-lesson into the scenario is really unnecessary. I think the first thing to do is actually prove that there was once an advanced technological civilization on Mars. Or any life at all, for that matter. I've looked at those pictures of Mars rocks for years and have never seen any evidence of it. And don't tell me that it was all destroyed. That's just a cop-out.

originally posted by: St Udio
there might be a linkage between Ancient Mars advanced technology Civilization (and long ago nuclear remnants/artifacts)
just as there are evidence of Nuclear detonations in the Hindu/Indian landscape and there are the flying machines in Indian Myth Tales and Vedas that predate the last Ice Age...

There is no evidence of nuclear detonations in India or anywhere else and the Vedas certainly do not predate the last Ice Age.

originally posted by: St Udioperhaps the remnants of the water-Planet "Vulcan" (now the asteroid belt) left Mars a completely empty world with
the thin atmosphere stripped away... the magnetosphere then collapsed and the shielding from high energy rays doomed any survivor species to a very high risk Doom, inevitable depopulation...

There is not enough mass in the asteroid belt to make a planet from, and no evidence that the asteroid belt was once a single body.

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