French President: Failure for Ukraine peace will result in war

French President Francois Hollande has made an announcement regarding a last ditch peace initiative aimed at settling the Ukrainian situation. The initiative, organised by Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, is regarded by the French leader as one of the last chances for peace, saying that "If we don't find not just a compromise but a lasting peace agreement, we know perfectly well what the scenario will be. It has a name, it's called war."

It is not clear what scale this potential war could be on, but considering there is already war-like fighting going on Ukraine, it isn't hard to think that he may be referring to something far more sinister and large.

These are the only details right now, and they are from RT (a source i consider mostly unreliable regarding Ukraine). But the information is important, and if true, more is sure to come. I will try and keep you all updated on the statement and peace initiative.

rt.com...

Well that's not what I want to read first thing in the morning.

a reply to: daaskapital

Hollande was warning about this yesterday, and to a certain extent who would disagree? However, it appears the U.S and U.K didn't want to participate in these talks, which speaks volumes about the situation.

It appears it's all part of the plan to ensure it goes full scale.

a reply to: daaskapital

This situation appears to be far more dangerous than we have been led to believe. A lot of serious conflicts have resulted from countries in this general area.

www.itv.com...
mobile.english.rfi.fr...
Another few link for you daas before anyone starts whining about rt.

a reply to: daaskapital

Views from afar on the scene:

What bothers me is that Putin may use his popularity to go to war. No doubt, there are many in Russia that believe war is exactly what the country needs to renew its lost position of power. Equate that blood-thirsty mood with Putin having cornered himself, and there is a recipe for disaster.

Can you blame Putin? Obama has proven time and time again to be a wimp, and the EU has taken up the French method of defense as the US has been its backbone since WWII. All Putin needs to do is to ally with China to have them keep the US busy with half-serious thrusts in the Far East, and he can roll westward and see how it goes. Germany would be his biggest local obstacle, but old memories, as we see being used in the Middle East, may want him to drive a stake through the heart of Germany, the diamond of the EU these days.

a reply to: daaskapital

The question in my mind, not that I'm a doom merchant, is WTF is Russia really up to.

There have been, as I'm sure you're very well aware, numerous tests on NATO defenses over the last 12-24 months, then this article from the BBC

Ukraine crisis: Russia tests new weapons

Seriously, is this just muddying the waters and complicating the situation a la Bashar al-Assad, or is there a clear agenda that the Russians have that we just can't guess.

I have to say that I'm not fully across the issue, but it's really giving me the #s that these fecking pollies and innumerable other mupptards seem to be dragging us down the sh!t pipe once again.

Kind Regards
Myselfaswell

a reply to: daaskapital

It is not clear what scale this potential war could be on, but considering there is already war-like fighting going on Ukraine, it isn't hard to think that he may be referring to something far more sinister and large.

NATO's methods are well known: air strikes against military targets. In order to officially declare war, Putin would need to admit that the soldiers killed in these strikes are Russian. He cannot afford to do that. Neither can he attack the incoming bombers from Russian territory, as that would give NATO an excuse to expand the war. A naval blockade of Crimea is also in the cards. Emperor Putin's new clothes will be exposed.

a reply to: myselfaswell

The question in my mind, not that I'm a doom merchant, is WTF is Russia really up to.

Russia wants to surround itself with unstable countries that will look to Mother Russia for protection against "Western aggression."

Hollande and Merkel are right about a full scale war starting. Basically what they are saying is that the West will finally openly declare Russia has invaded Ukraine. The EU will levy real biting economic sanctions. The US will send boatloads of weapons there. Ukraine will declare War against Russia and call for a full mobilization. NATO will mobilize significant troops but stay out of Ukraine, waiting to see if Putin doubles down and fully invades.

This is the scenario planners don't want to see but it's the next level of pressure against Russia. The current level of sanctions can't be increased all that much...just a few tweeks left in that process. Flying to Moscow and telling Putin face to face where this is going is the diplomatic thing to do. He doesn't believe they will do it of course, but at least they warned him.

a reply to: DJW001

I don't think a NATO bombing campaign is in the works for this conflict. The air defenses for the separtist/Russian forces are pretty good.

I think you'll see the massive armament of Ukraine's own forces along with training which they are already getting. A full Ukraine mobilization should be enough to turn the tide and force Putin to openly send in troops or back off.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NATO airforces mass in bases around Poland and Germany however for another option.

Here is a standard MSM story that is starting to sell the need to send military equipment to Ukraine. It's from Canada and involves a Canadian with joint Ukrainian citizenship who went to fight in the Maiden protests and then the war.

www.thestar.com...

Great example of the media warming the population up to what comes next...weapons to Ukraine.

Thanks for the comments and links, everyone.

Unfortunately, the situation in Ukraine is a very touchy one. No side is innocent in the conflict, and things look likely to descend further into chaos if peace is not achieved. Indeed, i must say that Hollande's prediction is not only possible, but likely, if things don't turn around soon. Between Russia's economy and intervention, the USA's support of the Ukrainian government and past instances of failed truces, there doesn't seem much potential for a peaceful resolution. At least it doesn't seem so. Here's hoping for the opposite, however.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

I don't think a NATO bombing campaign is in the works for this conflict. The air defenses for the separtist/Russian forces are pretty good.

True, they were able to shoot down a commercial airliner at 10,000 meters!

I think you'll see the massive armament of Ukraine's own forces along with training which they are already getting. A full Ukraine mobilization should be enough to turn the tide and force Putin to openly send in troops or back off.

Perhaps.

I wouldn't be surprised to see NATO airforces mass in bases around Poland and Germany however for another option.

They already are!

So Putin the guy who apparently wants war, hasnt mentioned it once, but the people who supposedly want peace keep mentioning war and alluding to some sort of greater conflict???

LOL OK THEN.

This piece by Robert Parry backs that statement up and this might be the last change to avoid a big war between Russia and the US.

Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

Russia’s Hardening Line

The worsening situation in the east and the fear of U.S. military weapons arriving in the west have prompted a shift in Moscow’s view of the Ukraine crisis, including a readiness to resupply the ethnic Russian forces in eastern Ukraine and even provide military advisers.

These developments have alarmed European leaders who find themselves caught in the middle of a possible conflict between the United States and Russia. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande rushed to Kiev and then Moscow this week to discuss possible ways to defuse the crisis.

The hardening Russian position now seeks, in effect, a division of Ukraine into two autonomous zones, the east and the west with a central government that maintains the currency and handles other national concerns. But I’m told that Moscow might still accept the earlier idea of a federated Ukraine with greater self-governance by the different regions.

Putin also does not object to Ukraine building closer economic ties to Europe and he offered a new referendum in Crimea on whether the voters still want to secede from Ukraine and join Russia, said a source familiar with the Kremlin’s thinking. But Putin’s red lines include no NATO expansion into Ukraine and protection for ethnic Russians by disarming the neo-Nazi militias, the source said.

If such an arrangement or something similar isn’t acceptable and if the killing of ethnic Russians continues, the Kremlin would support a large-scale military offensive from the east that would involve “taking Kiev,” according to the source.

A Russian escalation of that magnitude would likely invite a vigorous U.S. response, with leading American politicians and pundits sure to ratchet up demands for a military counterstrike against Russia. If Obama were to acquiesce to such bellicosity – to avoid being called “weak” – the world could be pushed to the brink of nuclear war.

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a reply to: Dabrazzo

So Putin the guy who apparently wants war, hasnt mentioned it once, but the people who supposedly want peace keep mentioning war and alluding to some sort of greater conflict???

Putin already has the war he wants: regional power versus weak, impoverished neighbor. It's perfect for him. What he doesn't want is a real war, that's why he's afraid to even mention it. On the other hand, his propaganda organs keep reminding everyone that Russia is a nuclear power.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

WAR! YEEEEEEEHAW GUNS GUNS GUUUUNS!!!!!

Now I can watch my family and friends die in a war the people did not want

YEEEEEEEEEEHAW!

USA! USA!! USA!!!

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

What is your idol Putin willing to do to preserve the peace, do you suppose?

a reply to: Dabrazzo

USA! USA!! USA!!!

Ross-i-ya! Ross-i-ya! Ross-i-ya!!!!