Canadian Supreme Court UNANIMOUSLY approves Doctor Assisted Suicide

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Fairly common. They just keep upping the morphine until the patient passes. They did this for my Grandfather 14 years ago when he developed liver cancer.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
What say you ATS?

It's an excellent first step. Physician assisted suicide should be legal and available for any adult for any reason, not just for the terminally ill. Remember the movie 'Soylent Green'?? They had the assisted suicide centers where people could pick a nice room to die in and in a humane way? I think those would be awesome ... worldwide.

That's great.

I have always supported this right.

a reply to: hombero

It's not misleading. They struck down a law making it illegal, which means they made it legal. They are simply giving 12 months to the provinces to come up with legislation.

They did the same thing with prostitution last year.

Just because they've given adequate time frame to the provinces to come up with their own solutions, doesn't make what happened any less real.

~Tenth

I think this is a good thing only for those who are already terminally ill. Basically, people in hospices or maybe nursing homes. Both of my grandparents on my father's side wasted away in a hospital bed, with ever increasing dosages of painkillers (I think morphine, or something similar). They were in pain, couldn't move, and spent the last months of their lives absolutely miserable. I wish they could have gone quickly and painlessly.

I don't think it should be an option for everyone, however. For instance, people with depression who want to die but have a full long life ahead of them. They should get antidepressants instead.

originally posted by: peskyhumans
For instance, people with depression who want to die but have a full long life ahead of them. They should get antidepressants instead.

Have you ever suffered from depression? It's not living. And anti-depressants don't work for everyone and they don't feel 'normal' ... just less depressed. I support physician assisted suicide for those who wish it and are suffering from chronic clinical depression.

Why do people need permission to kill themselves?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yes I was depressed and took antidepressants for over 5 years. I have a good life going now and I wouldn't have wanted to have offed myself so many years ago.

I know depression is miserable to go through, but it's a lie. You don't have to be like that.

a reply to: thesaneone

Did you not see the picture in the OP?

lol

That's pretty much why.

~Tenth

a reply to: thesaneone

It's a morality issue imo. A hold over from the old days when religion had input in policy. It's a mortal sin.

It will be interesting to see how much of a rush there will be in the near term on doctor assited suicides.

This is indeed a momentous day. One which I never thought I would see come to fruition. Anyone who has ever held the hand of a loved one as they passed after a battle with illness , knows the heart wrenching so painful, that the frustration is overwhelming.I have never understood the compassion given to animals to reduce suffering, not extending to our fellow man.
I would never want my children to watch me suffer as I watched my parents. My sister, who is a registered nurse is Ontario, wholeheartedly supports this as well. I cannot imagine working in the environment that she does with those in pain constantly, and begging to be free of it. We are inhumane to have let it go on this long, imho. My only hope is that my province does not drag it's heels over the 12 month period deciding on the particulars,as we are to make other important decisions here regarding our population.

I find this whole thing just creepy. Just imagining Dr. Death and his suicide contraptions.

originally posted by: CraftBuilder
It will be interesting to see how much of a rush there will be in the near term on doctor assited suicides.

Well, not for the next 12 months at least, since the ban applies until the provinces can draft legislation. But yeah, I imagine, we'll start getting a lot of people come here for that.

~Tenth

originally posted by: peskyhumans
I know depression is miserable to go through, but it's a lie. You don't have to be like that.

What worked for you doesn't work for a lot of others.

My friend Steven shouldn't have had to commit suicide by car exhaust in his garage because of his clinical depression. He suffered for decades and meds didn't work. No one should be forced to live like that.

a reply to: FlyersFan

No offense but your friend needed to man up seriously. If you think your life is bad, then look around, there is always somebody who has is way worse. Those are words to LIVE BY my friend.

How can you sympathize with his suicide, when as a friend you where supposed to save him? That's what he really wanted. Somebody to care about him.

Now let me get this strait, is this ruling only for the elderly sick and dying? Or are Canadian Doctors now offing drug addled teenagers too?

If it is the latter then Canada seriously messed up!

a reply to: Mikeyy

Now let me get this strait, is this ruling only for the elderly sick and dying? Or are Canadian Doctors now offing drug addled teenagers too?

Only the terminally ill.

Cancers, auto-immune, terminal illness etc.

There are no plans to expand the policy to include Depression. I think that would probably go back to the SC as a challenge to the law that will be made in the next 12 months.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Mikeyy
No offense but your friend needed to man up seriously.

That's disgusting. You can't 'man up' to get through it and for many people there is no 'getting through it' because it doesn't end.

How can you sympathize with his suicide, when as a friend you where supposed to save him?

No I wasn't supposed to 'save him'.

That's what he really wanted. Somebody to care about him.

Wrong. He wanted the severe clinical depression to end.


I'm doubling down ... physician assisted suicide should be available for any adult who wants it, not just those who are terminally ill. People who have no clue about what others are going through are trying to dictate what those who suffer do with their lives. It's none of their business.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Mikeyy

Now let me get this strait, is this ruling only for the elderly sick and dying? Or are Canadian Doctors now offing drug addled teenagers too?

Only the terminally ill.

Cancers, auto-immune, terminal illness etc.

There are no plans to expand the policy to include Depression. I think that would probably go back to the SC as a challenge to the law that will be made in the next 12 months


~Tenth

Thanks,

For the terminally Ill I'm okay with this, but for Depression and other problems, Those people need to get their lives together instead of taking the easy way out, because what they don't realize is that when they commit suicide there could be collateral.

Case in point in my town, A father committed suicide, a few years later his son does the same exact thing. His dad would never have wanted that, but suicidal people are not rational, they cannot get over their own selfishness to realize what they are doing to those who surround them.

Suicide is ultimately an act of cowardice.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
There are no plans to expand the policy to include Depression.

Hopefully this will be the first step towards on-demand physician assisted suicide. The chronically ill and those severely suffering should be able to end their lives with dignity if they wish instead of being forced to be alive with it.