1500 Year Old Bible Found, nobody want's to know - Could be real deal

originally posted by: and14263
Great isn't it, the same people who demand solid proof that this book is real take a huge leap of faith with no proof and believe in Christianity!

I continue to be amazed at how their minds work.

originally posted by: shauny

This is an article I did on my own page a while ago, thought I would share here.

If this is true and NOBODY can say it is not. All I ever hear from religion is "There is proof" So here you are, 'Proof' A book, pre-dates already to 500AD. If this book is real then it changes religion. But like ANY bible it will be scrutinised and called wrong and blasphemous. I am saying, if the Bibles of today are real, then this is real. If this new book is fake, they are all fake. I dislike what religion does to this planet. So for me I know it will hurt friends and family, but to all religious people reading this, you can't have your cake and eat it. This is either real or fake. I can hear it already "MUSLIM LIES" If this book is real, millions of people have been living a blind lie. But if this book is wrong, well I don't know how that can be. The Vatican have requested to see it. I will keep you updated. From my understanding carbon dating has been done a few times, and 1,500 years old.

A Bible which is reported to be at least 1500 years old was discovered in Turkey and inside it there is a Gospel of Barnabas. The book was moved by Turkish government to one of their museums by way of police escort. Barnabas was one of the disciples of Jesus Christ, and in the Gospel of Barnabas, it states that Christ was never crucified. It reads instead that he rose to heaven while alive and Judas was the one crucified instead. Additionally, this ancient Bible declares that Jesus was not the Son of God, but only a prophet who spoke the word of God. The book also calls the Apostle Paul “The Impostor”. In a press release that was sent out by the Turkish government, it said that the Bible was snatched from a mob of smugglers in a Mediterranean region operation. The report explained that the group was accused of trafficking antique relics, performing illegal archaeological digs, and being in the possession of explosives. The book itself is believed to be valued as high as $28 million.

According to religious experts and specialists located in Tehram, they believe the Bible is an original. It is written in gold letters, against loosely bound blackened leather in Aramaic, which is the language that Jesus would have spoken. It is thought that during the Council of Nicea that the Catholic Church chose which Gospels that appear in the regular Bible as it is known today. They would have tossed out the Gospel of Barnabas along with many others in favor of the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There have been numerous supposed Biblical texts which have come to light over time, including the Dead Sea Gnostic Gospels. However this ancient Bible has especially seemed to brought worry to the Vatican.

What would something like this mean to any Christian based religions and their believers? It would cause a very tight spot. The Vatican has requested the Turkish authorities to let them look at the inside of the book within the Church. Now that the ancient Bible has been found and the contents released to the public, what will the Catholic church have to say about it? To believers of the Christian faith, this book will be considered a fraud and a fake, something to be ignored and forgotten about. To atheists, agnostics or people who are secular thinkers, they may wonder if the text is real or not. More than likely they will not even care.

As was mentioned above, the Vatican has made an authorized request to the Turkish government to have a look at the book. It was reportedly penned in Aramaic, which is a nearly dead language. It is only spoken in the modern world in a tiny village located near Damascus. It has been reported to the media that mere photocopies of the ancient Bible’s pages are being retailed for nearly $2 million. Along with that, the age, flawless construction, and the contents inside the ancient Bible are what make it so valuable. Repeating: a Bible which is reported to be at least 1500 years old was discovered in Turkey and inside it there is a Gospel of Barnabas. The book was moved by Turkish government to one of their museums by way of police escort. Barnabas was one of the disciples of Jesus Christ, and in the Gospel of Barnabas, it states that Christ was never crucified

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Ah, I see. So rather than buy into all of the massive pile of other documents which do agree, you want to seize on ONE document of uncertain provenance. Because, logic. Seems like you wrapped this one up, nothing to see here, religion is exposed!

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Tangerine

"If Jesus didn't exist, his brother would probably know about it!" without reminding you that the brother of Jesus, if he ever lived, never documented the existence of Jesus!

He wrote the Book of James.

You think the brother of Jesus lived until the late first or early second century when the Book of James was written? That's hilarious. Do you consciously suspend disbelief to come up these outrageous claims?

a reply to: Tangerine

Yea it's kind of like people that make absolute statements about a time period we know little about...

Truly mind boggling.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: flice
Doesnt change a damn thing..... Its still just a book, full of opinions and made up stories written either to profit from or to control people.

Just because something is written in a book doesnt make it true or real. Something all religious people need to wake up and understand.

Start believing in yourself instead of trying tl relieve yourself from responsibility of your own life!

If God exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose He created you for be the most important thing in your life?

Could there be a higher responsibility than ensuring you achieved your mission?

If Gandalf exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose for which he created you be the most important thing in your life? Maybe, but it's really moot until you can prove that Gandalf (or God, if you prefer) exists and created you--or me. Doesn't that seem logical to you?

Absolutely reasonable.

I know of several 'proofs' of the existence of God, some of which, you may disagree with on the basis of your beliefs, others are more empirical.

The thing is, that if you never apply your reason to consideration of those proofs, then you will draw no conclusions.

As Jesus said: "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you" or, to paraphrase, "Deny Ignorance".

Cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. Why would I disagree with testable evidence that has withstood the scientific method? You suggest that I may disagree based on my beliefs. You misunderstand. Beliefs play no part in testing evidence via the scientific method.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Tangerine

Yea it's kind of like people that make absolute statements about a time period we know little about...

Truly mind boggling.

If you're suggesting that I did that, state the absolute statements I made.

originally posted by: RedParrotHead
You think anything in this "bible" will persuade any believer to doubt their teachings? No matter what it says, how old its scientifically proven to be or what historical or biblical blanks it may fill in...it simply does not matter. This book was obviously put here miraculously by God (or fiendishly by Satan) to test one's faith.

If anything it's existence proves that *fill in your religion here* is the one, true, undeniable truth!

Your claim that this book was "obviously" put here "miraculously" by God or Satan is not obvious at all. Why would you say that it is?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: flice
Doesnt change a damn thing..... Its still just a book, full of opinions and made up stories written either to profit from or to control people.

Just because something is written in a book doesnt make it true or real. Something all religious people need to wake up and understand.

Start believing in yourself instead of trying tl relieve yourself from responsibility of your own life!

If God exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose He created you for be the most important thing in your life?

Could there be a higher responsibility than ensuring you achieved your mission?

If Gandalf exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose for which he created you be the most important thing in your life? Maybe, but it's really moot until you can prove that Gandalf (or God, if you prefer) exists and created you--or me. Doesn't that seem logical to you?

Absolutely reasonable.

I know of several 'proofs' of the existence of God, some of which, you may disagree with on the basis of your beliefs, others are more empirical.

The thing is, that if you never apply your reason to consideration of those proofs, then you will draw no conclusions.

As Jesus said: "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you" or, to paraphrase, "Deny Ignorance".

Cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. Why would I disagree with testable evidence that has withstood the scientific method? You suggest that I may disagree based on my beliefs. You misunderstand. Beliefs play no part in testing evidence via the scientific method.

Apologies for my laziness, but: Arguments for the existence of God -Wikipedia

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: flice
Doesnt change a damn thing..... Its still just a book, full of opinions and made up stories written either to profit from or to control people.

Just because something is written in a book doesnt make it true or real. Something all religious people need to wake up and understand.

Start believing in yourself instead of trying tl relieve yourself from responsibility of your own life!

If God exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose He created you for be the most important thing in your life?

Could there be a higher responsibility than ensuring you achieved your mission?

If Gandalf exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose for which he created you be the most important thing in your life? Maybe, but it's really moot until you can prove that Gandalf (or God, if you prefer) exists and created you--or me. Doesn't that seem logical to you?

Absolutely reasonable.

I know of several 'proofs' of the existence of God, some of which, you may disagree with on the basis of your beliefs, others are more empirical.

The thing is, that if you never apply your reason to consideration of those proofs, then you will draw no conclusions.

As Jesus said: "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you" or, to paraphrase, "Deny Ignorance".

Cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. Why would I disagree with testable evidence that has withstood the scientific method? You suggest that I may disagree based on my beliefs. You misunderstand. Beliefs play no part in testing evidence via the scientific method.

Apologies for my laziness, but: Arguments for the existence of God -Wikipedia

No, I don't pardon your laziness. YOU made the claim. I expect YOU to cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. I am not going to do YOUR research for YOU.

Here we go again. Another Bogus Gnostic gospel.
We really are living in the end times.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: flice
Doesnt change a damn thing..... Its still just a book, full of opinions and made up stories written either to profit from or to control people.

Just because something is written in a book doesnt make it true or real. Something all religious people need to wake up and understand.

Start believing in yourself instead of trying tl relieve yourself from responsibility of your own life!

If God exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose He created you for be the most important thing in your life?

Could there be a higher responsibility than ensuring you achieved your mission?

If Gandalf exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose for which he created you be the most important thing in your life? Maybe, but it's really moot until you can prove that Gandalf (or God, if you prefer) exists and created you--or me. Doesn't that seem logical to you?

Absolutely reasonable.

I know of several 'proofs' of the existence of God, some of which, you may disagree with on the basis of your beliefs, others are more empirical.

The thing is, that if you never apply your reason to consideration of those proofs, then you will draw no conclusions.

As Jesus said: "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you" or, to paraphrase, "Deny Ignorance".

Cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. Why would I disagree with testable evidence that has withstood the scientific method? You suggest that I may disagree based on my beliefs. You misunderstand. Beliefs play no part in testing evidence via the scientific method.

Apologies for my laziness, but: Arguments for the existence of God -Wikipedia

No, I don't pardon your laziness. YOU made the claim. I expect YOU to cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. I am not going to do YOUR research for YOU.

Nor I for you.

Wikipedia presented it simply enough but I am unable to operate your brain cells on your behalf.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: flice
Doesnt change a damn thing..... Its still just a book, full of opinions and made up stories written either to profit from or to control people.

Just because something is written in a book doesnt make it true or real. Something all religious people need to wake up and understand.

Start believing in yourself instead of trying tl relieve yourself from responsibility of your own life!

If God exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose He created you for be the most important thing in your life?

Could there be a higher responsibility than ensuring you achieved your mission?

If Gandalf exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose for which he created you be the most important thing in your life? Maybe, but it's really moot until you can prove that Gandalf (or God, if you prefer) exists and created you--or me. Doesn't that seem logical to you?

Absolutely reasonable.

I know of several 'proofs' of the existence of God, some of which, you may disagree with on the basis of your beliefs, others are more empirical.

The thing is, that if you never apply your reason to consideration of those proofs, then you will draw no conclusions.

As Jesus said: "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you" or, to paraphrase, "Deny Ignorance".

Cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. Why would I disagree with testable evidence that has withstood the scientific method? You suggest that I may disagree based on my beliefs. You misunderstand. Beliefs play no part in testing evidence via the scientific method.

Apologies for my laziness, but: Arguments for the existence of God -Wikipedia

No, I don't pardon your laziness. YOU made the claim. I expect YOU to cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. I am not going to do YOUR research for YOU.

Nor I for you.

So you can't prove your claim after all. Thought so.

You said you don't know how this book could be wrong?
Come on dude.. be more vigilant than that.

People have been trying to disprove the New Testament for centuries but all have failed. I don't care what anyone says, you can't disprove the Bible. All you can do is disagree with it, which plenty of people do.

The truth hurts sometimes. This is proven when every time a bogus story like this comes along, people JUMP on it. The OP has got nearly 50 flags and it's probably one of the worst threads I've ever read.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: flice
Doesnt change a damn thing..... Its still just a book, full of opinions and made up stories written either to profit from or to control people.

Just because something is written in a book doesnt make it true or real. Something all religious people need to wake up and understand.

Start believing in yourself instead of trying tl relieve yourself from responsibility of your own life!

If God exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose He created you for be the most important thing in your life?

Could there be a higher responsibility than ensuring you achieved your mission?

If Gandalf exists and created you, wouldn't the purpose for which he created you be the most important thing in your life? Maybe, but it's really moot until you can prove that Gandalf (or God, if you prefer) exists and created you--or me. Doesn't that seem logical to you?

Absolutely reasonable.

I know of several 'proofs' of the existence of God, some of which, you may disagree with on the basis of your beliefs, others are more empirical.

The thing is, that if you never apply your reason to consideration of those proofs, then you will draw no conclusions.

As Jesus said: "Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you" or, to paraphrase, "Deny Ignorance".

Cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. Why would I disagree with testable evidence that has withstood the scientific method? You suggest that I may disagree based on my beliefs. You misunderstand. Beliefs play no part in testing evidence via the scientific method.

Apologies for my laziness, but: Arguments for the existence of God -Wikipedia

No, I don't pardon your laziness. YOU made the claim. I expect YOU to cite the testable evidence proving that God exists. I am not going to do YOUR research for YOU.

Nor I for you.

So you can't prove your claim after all. Thought so.

I can and have provided that information to you.

Your deduction that I cannot do what I have just done is irrational and shows that you are unwilling or unable to cogitate on my response.

i think now the book is authentic . as for the translation that remains questionable because those that have purposely rewritten the bible people read no doubt still play a part in religion . the thing about the bible people read is the script was prepared and even though the bible has been rewritten the story remains the same when read correctly . to think Jesus was literally nailed to a cross is the lie . Jesus was crucified and there was a cross . the facts are about deception . slander .
the claim Jesus rose up to heaven alive for instance doesn't say Jesus didn't die . it says Jesus wasn't alive when Jesus wasn't in heaven .

I've looked into this alot and I believe this is a hoax, but do your own research all.

This is just one article of many...

countercurrentnews.com...

a reply to: shauny

LOL what else do you expect coming out of Turkey.

Do you not know that the Dead Sea scrolls are a lot older?? They are the original books of the Bible.

One of the earliest carbon dating tests was carried out on November 14, 1950. This was on a piece of linen from Qumran Cave 1, the resulting date range being 167 BCE - 233 CE.[1] Libby had first started using the dating method in 1946 and the early testing required relatively large samples, so testing on scrolls themselves only became feasible when methods used in the dating process were improved upon.[2] F.E. Zeuner carried out tests on date palm wood from the Qumran site yielding a date range of 70 BCE - 90 CE.[3] In 1963 Libby tested a sample from the Isaiah Scroll, which provided a range of 200 BCE - 1 CE.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

So no, this obvious fake book made by the Turkish Islamic s does not make anything in the Bible a lie!!!!


I find it funny that the language that it is wrote in, is about the same as this book. I highly doubt this is a legit book written in the time they claim since it is nothing but the same ISLAMIC fairytale that the Muslims have been beating in their Qur'an.

originally posted by: GEZUCHKRiCT
to think Jesus was literally nailed to a cross is the lie .

.

That is how the Romans crucified people back then!!! Science has already proved that fact and how they did it so the body would hang without ripping off. It was an extremely painful example of Torture.

a reply to: shauny The Gospel of Barnabas
trans. Lonsdale and Laura Ragg
[London, 1907] sacred-texts.com...

originally posted by: ccseagull
a reply to: shauny

This has been circulating since it was found in 2012.

It contradicts Christianity as well as Islam. In fact what I was able to see is a lot of thinking that it's a tool to promote Islam (no offence to such members, I'm simply restating what I kept coming across). And the Vatican has called it a hoax, I just went online and from what I can see is enough to prove that it's not the written word of God (my personal conclusion).
The Bible is the inspired word of God by the Holy Spirit.

If you believe the buy-bull is the word of god (I really hope not, have you even read it?) contradictions to your belief is automatically deemed false.
Of course.
Your bias is showing through.

It doesn't change my viewpoint of the Bible. When you look at James, Matthew, Luke and John these are 4 separate books by 4 separate writers and the word matches up with each other. And if you look at the Bible as a whole the stories line up.

No they don't, they don't line up, and as you get further in time past Jesus's death, the more miraculous the claims are. (authored by John, I think)
Of course you wouldn't change your viewpoint, facts are not faith.
And faith don't make facts.
Be real, accept evidence, unless you like the warm fuzzies.

In my opinion this is nothing but a fake. As well Satan is busy copying God in his every moments and why wouldn't he twist the words of God by having someone mess with the Bible. What a great way to create doubt and division in believers and show non believers that the Bible is nothing but messed up stories. What a great way for Satan to say Jesus was a nobody who wasn't the son of God and we don't have to believe him.

Do you really believe satan wrote this thing? simply because you disagree with it because it doesn't jive with your 'faith' ?
And the bible IS a bunch of messed up stories, surely you can't deny that?

If jesus was real, he was the Penn and Teller, the Doug Henning (RIP), and David Blaine. of his day.
A travelling magician.