Bad Day For ISIS... Part 1! :D

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Iran are about the only Muslim country who really oppose IS.
That's down to the old Shia - Sunni enmity and the fact that Iran wants to be the dominant power in the Muslim world.
Iran wants to see the return of their Mahdi and the conflict with 'the west' which that will herald.
And of course we in 'the west' can't be seen to be aligning with a country 'we' have spent the last 40 or so years demonising.

Saudi could do so much more in the war against IS - but of course it won't.
IS has many of its origins in Saudi with the Wahhabi's and many ordinary Saudi's sympathise with IS.
The monarchy in Saudi is becoming increasingly fragile and any backlash to Saudi involvement against IS could prove their downfall and ultimately the whole of Saudi coming under IS control.....and with that goes a lot of oil and firepower.

We have to at least attempt to stop IS's advancement and prevent them spreading into Saudi and Pakistan who, as we all know, has nuclear capability.

a reply to: Freeborn

it is much more than just sunni/shia emnity between Iran and ISIS.. much much more..

Saudi wont help for the exact reasons you indicated, plus the saudi royals have a deal going on with the wahabbi leaders, its a power trade between them, the royals keep the monarchy if the religious leaders keep free reign.. one hand is washing the other there..

and yes, with the recent death of Abdullah, things are about to become very interesting in saudia.

I agree with you though on stopping them.. but they already have heavy influence in both places... in saudia the matter is who is going to rule the wahabbi roost, and so long as there is lack of consensus on that point, ISIS won't have too much leg to stand on in saudia, regardless. But ISIS did manage to rip the jihadists camp in two..if they manage to reunite them somehow, or if someone else reunites them at this point, we are all in trouble, because united under a common head and cause with the new fervor of ISIS... we will have the war of our lives on our hands..

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I think many underestimate Saudi's importance.

I know its quite a repressive regime in power at present and I pretty much dislike the hypocrisy of treating them as allies.
Wahhabi's were responsible for a lot of IS's initial funding and inspiration and their infiltration and corruption of schools and mosques here in the UK is particularly concerning.

Outwardly the ruling Saud family appear in complete control.
But the newly crowned King is 79 years old and there are rumours surrounding both his physical and mental health and the Crown Prince is 69 years old.
The line of succession after them is very unclear and their domestic popularity is at an all time low.

If Saudi gives increased support in the war against IS the Wahhabi's may make a move to gain absolute control of the nation - a move that may receive considerable support outside of the extended royal family and their supporters.

Such a move could possibly give IS and by extension the move towards a Caliphate immense power and influence.

As distasteful as it is 'we' have no alternative but to give continued support to the present regime and seek to destroy IS's expansion.

Pakistan poses a completely different, but no less serious, set of problems.
The extremists already have considerable power and influence and have close ties with The Taliban.
IS are currently making inroads into Taliban support.
If that support spreads into the extremist elements within Pakistan's military and intelligence services then that could offer IS access to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal - that is something 'we' can not allow under any circumstances.

I firmly believe that we need to strike hard and fast against IS in order to limit their spread.....but as has quite rightly been pointed out 'And how do you obliterate a ideology.? Too little too late mate. The seed is sown. World wide scale conflict is inevitable.'

a reply to: Freeborn

I totally agree.. things that might have been possible had we began to do things differently even 10 or 15 years ago, now is simply no longer possible. All we can do now at this point, is do as much as we can to stop the spread, and react to the unexpected as it comes..

because it will come... it very much will. The thinkers need to look at how best to react to at least 10 - 15 different scenarios that this could play out, and take it as it comes..

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OpinionatedB

Iran are about the only Muslim country who really oppose IS.
That's down to the old Shia - Sunni enmity and the fact that Iran wants to be the dominant power in the Muslim world.
Iran wants to see the return of their Mahdi and the conflict with 'the west' which that will herald.
And of course we in 'the west' can't be seen to be aligning with a country 'we' have spent the last 40 or so years demonising.

Saudi could do so much more in the war against IS - but of course it won't.
IS has many of its origins in Saudi with the Wahhabi's and many ordinary Saudi's sympathise with IS.
The monarchy in Saudi is becoming increasingly fragile and any backlash to Saudi involvement against IS could prove their downfall and ultimately the whole of Saudi coming under IS control.....and with that goes a lot of oil and firepower.

We have to at least attempt to stop IS's advancement and prevent them spreading into Saudi and Pakistan who, as we all know, has nuclear capability.

Have you seen this latest? I read this a short time ago, which made me wonder. Supposedly, according to one Israeli site, the Jewish companies are trying to get the Saudi's to allow them to help build it.

Saudi's to build 600ft wall to keep ISIS out, put US wall to Shame

Saudi Arabia is building a 600-mile barrier along its northern border with Iraq, in an attempt to keep ISIS militants out of the country.

Construction for the so-called "Great Wall" began in September, and the border now has five layers of fencing, complete with watchtowers, night-vision cameras, and radar cameras, The Telegraph reports. The wall will also have seven command and control centers that can detect aircraft and vehicles as many as 22 miles away.

According to the Telegraph....

It has also created a physical barrier along parts of the even longer, 1,000-mile border with Yemen to the south.

Are Jewish companies going to build Saudi Wall?

(The enemy of your enemy and all that....)

Some Israeli security companies have affiliate companies abroad and these may try to get work. The Israel border security technologies are considered the best in the world.

According to the International Business Times, the massive wall, from the northern town of Turaif close to the border with Jordan, to the eastern city of Hafal al-Batin, where Saudi Arabia and Kuwait meet, includes five layers of fencing with 40 watchtowers, sand embankments, radar and cameras, the United Press International (UPI) reported, adding that Riyadh has deployed 30,000 troops in the area.

ISIS considers Saudi Arabia’s links to the West as a treachery of Islam. The group has reportedly called for lone-wolf attacks against Saudi security forces, as well as Shia Muslims and foreigners. Saudi Arabia is currently backing U.S.-led strikes on ISIS over Syria and Iraq.

Obviously Saudi can do more, but they think insulating themselves is enough. We shall see of course.

a reply to: Freeborn
Yes, because they think they are doing allah's work, and will fight as long as it takes to die,or get what they want.

72 virgins or territory.

These guys need al-anon (allah-anon) in the worst way.
They got a problem with allahcohol abuse.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: Soloprotocol

And if we do that what then, once they have real power and real monetary backing, the power of 10 or 20 entire countries behind them..

They wont settle for the middle east.. they aren't settling for only the middle east.. they want it all.

ISIS has said they want the entirety of the old caliphate back.. that includes all of spain and goes all the way to france btw.. and when we are powerless to stop them, because then we are smaller than they are, what happens then?

We cannot allow it, without risking our very own freedom..

they have spent 100 years and more patiently planning this out... what our countries once thought was innocuous, we are finding out today is anything but.. this has already spiraled out of control due to our own ignorance..

there is no choice but to have a very real confrontation... and the sooner we have it, the less of our own dead we will see.

Or we wait until they push it too far (attack on U.S. soil) and watch America unleash the 50-60 years of technologic advances they've kept under wraps.

originally posted by: dr1234

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: Soloprotocol

And if we do that what then, once they have real power and real monetary backing, the power of 10 or 20 entire countries behind them..

They wont settle for the middle east.. they aren't settling for only the middle east.. they want it all.

ISIS has said they want the entirety of the old caliphate back.. that includes all of spain and goes all the way to france btw.. and when we are powerless to stop them, because then we are smaller than they are, what happens then?

We cannot allow it, without risking our very own freedom..

they have spent 100 years and more patiently planning this out... what our countries once thought was innocuous, we are finding out today is anything but.. this has already spiraled out of control due to our own ignorance..

there is no choice but to have a very real confrontation... and the sooner we have it, the less of our own dead we will see.

Or we wait until they push it too far (attack on U.S. soil)

Oh for some reason I am sure this is what will happen, I just don't prefer to see it happen like that...it wont be cool to see our people dying.