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Can you find the study made by the think tank?
Norman Dodd, former director of the Committee to Investigate Tax Exempt Foundations of the U.S. House of Representatives, testified that the Committee was invited to study the minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace as part of the Committee's investigation. The Committee stated: "The trustees of the Foundation brought up a single question. If it is desirable to alter the life of an entire people, is there any means more efficient than war.... They discussed this question... for a year and came up with an answer: There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire people. That leads them to a question: How do we involve the United States in a war.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66
I love it when a thread goes pear shaped.
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66
I love it when a thread goes pear shaped.
The reason why i brought up Norman Dodd is because it sort of Paints a Picture of what the road will look like for an idea to form a Aletheia society.
The People who made Our society the way it is today, did not do it through Peace. These People will not let go of their grand plan without a resistance. These People have all the doors to Our present society covered.
I really don't see any connections between Aletheia and fascism, but your expertise can maybe help "us" with that. Here are some characteristics that defines fascism:
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
The following fields of research must be owned by the government and every study shall be voted upon before further work by citizens of the society;
- Genetic engineering; animals, humans, crops
- Geo engineering.
- Cloning; animals, humans
- Cognitive science; cognitive enhancement, mapping of the brain.
- Space exploration.
Your salary shall be equal to the amount of work hours you put in. The salary gap between professions and titles within companies shall be drastically tightened. There shall also be a max ceiling on what a vd, boss and employee can earn in a particular field of work.
"There are two main objections to collectivism from the ideas of individualism. One is that collectivism stifles individuality and diversity by insisting upon a common social identity, such as nationalism or some other group focus. The other is that collectivism is linked to statism and the diminution of freedom when political authority is used to advance collectivist goals"
"We are now at the year nineteen hundred and eight, which was the year that the Carnegie Foundation began operations. And, in that year, the trustees meeting, for the first time, raised a specific question, which they discussed throughout the balance of the year, in a very learned fashion. And the question is this: Is there any means known more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people? And they conclude that, no more effective means to that end is known to humanity, than war. So then, in 1909, they raise the second question, and discuss it, namely, how do we involve the United States in a war?"
This is the main reason behind full transparency in Aletheia and a ”world database”. A place to search for your own answers instead of settle with a book someone else ordered you to read.
This society should represent: love, transparency, security, opportunity and growth.
The open source revolution is coming and it will conquer the 1% - ex CIA spy
I appreciate your inspiration for this thread and would like to applaude everybody who contributed. This kind of stuff has to be discussed way more often if you ask me for my part.
But... the name sucks, as already has been mentioned, and this utopia would be flawed due to some basic factors: nobody trusts the government anymore, really! Let's just forget about any approach from this more autocratic direction, foreverever... please! It's simply expendable at some point in our evolution, and we are nearly there.
Mutual trust is lost and has to be found anew, let it thrive and prosper between people. Us people. No matter who we are, what kind of dayjob we do or socks we wear, if we do. We are worldcitizens and should start to act like some grown up's by now. We could be the world government without any need for actually building one, just give us open source for everything and a secure connection to contribute even online for votings etc.
We've seen progress regarding more direct forms of democracy, just give them a try - let the people decide. There is no more need for henchmen nor drama-queens who have only "our best" in mind, even if they would really do so. We may appreciate a good advice from time to time, but the choice has to be ours. All the time. If well educated people enjoy themselfes, without any distress whatsoever, they usually tend to make extremely good choices. Even altruisim is a gift everybody is born with, we maybe just need to chill out and listen to Bob Marley to build the perfect world, simply by creating our own personal universes we would love to live in. 24/7 once and for all, gimme real freedom. Heck... where is the free salary for every human beeing on this blue marble? We are too big to fail, are we not?
Blue Marble would be a marblelous name btw, wouldn't it?
And I appreciate you applauds, but I wouldn’t give any real attention to some of the ”members” participating in this thread, members who solely seek to ridicule a noble cause while applauding the totalitarian state we are living in at this moment. They call Aletheia fascist, when there is nothing to support their claim and while the state we are living in is more fascist than ever. But then again, many people are close minded and heavily influenced by cognitive bias.
I have explained at length why your ideal state is Fascist. Your attempt to attack me indicates how dissent would be treated in your totalitarian prison state: declare dissenters guilty of "cognitive bias" and lock them up in a mental ward... the way the Soviets used to do.
I think you need to read this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com
I would be curious to see your reaction.
Unfortunately you haven't explained anything, and thats why I wrote the things I did to PublicOpinion and the fact that you felt obligated to contradict my statement shows that you know exactly what you are and what you are doing. I would love to read your thread if I were oblivious to who you are and how you operate as a person. But unfortunately I know exactly what you are, and therefore I will not wast one second reading something you created if I don’t ”have to"
I have time after time told you and (yourself) or pals that this society is something everyone who is participating in this thread should try to make better. But you have solely twisted words, made silly assumptions based on nothing and ridiculed a good cause. You haven't contributed with one single piece of information that would make the society better. And for that I feel sorry for you and your soul.
How can my behaviour, whatever it might be, be a sign for how the society of Aletheia will treat it's citizens when the society and surrounding laws are voted upon by all citizens? Do you see how utterly illogic and pathetic your derailing tactic is, or are you oblivious to this fact?
You do however display a great amount of cognitive bias when automatically and ignorantly linking collectivism and the society of Aletheia to all the bad examples in history regarding, Fascism, Stalinism etc. If this bias is genuine and derives from your own mind or called upon by foreign suggestion, I do not know. But the fact that you are ignoring the overwhelming fascist and totalitarian aspects in our current society and actively accusing a more humane structure and cause is in it self explainable.
All I see in you is a suspicious member who actively derail/ridicule/ sensitive threads and spread misinformation on this forum. Everbody can make silly assumptions, twist words and make illogical questions without follow up, but it takes more intelligence and intellect to actually come up with solutions, something you have never done in all the threads I have seen you in. And the fact that you almost instantly make a reply on a comment that didn't even include you 3 months after your last comment is also self explainable.
Lastly I want to thank you..
I know that a ordinary person wouldn't give such energy and time into ridiculing a good cause while happily embracing our current corrupt and totalitarian society, If the person didn't have a hidden agenda. You and other members in this thread have not only showed me, you have also showed everyone else who read this thread how important this question is, and that we as citizens need to change our current system. And for that I want to thank you.
I dare you to come up with some additional improving suggestions and/or better structural solutions to the society of Aletheia. Like I have stated over and over, everyone who participate in this thread should put their energy into making the society better. But after making your 19 spamming posts so far in this thread you haven’t made one single effort to make anything better, and that is awfully sad.
3 months ago I dared you and your entourage to draw parallels between the 14 characteristic points of fascism and Aletheia, but guess what, I don’t see any "explained" statements from you nor other. But feel free to try, and like I said to the previous member, take your time… www.rense.com...
And I appreciate you applauds, but I wouldn’t give any real attention to some of the ”members” participating in this thread, members who solely seek to ridicule a noble cause while applauding the totalitarian state we are living in at this moment. They call Aletheia fascist, when there is nothing to support their claim and while the state we are living in is more fascist than ever. But then again, many people are close minded and heavily influenced by cognitive bias.
I’m with you on that, and thats basically what I have described. That every soul on this planet should be involved, feel needed and participate in the striving of the human race. But don’t you think that some sort of ”government” is needed to steer the people towards common goals (goals they themselves voted upon) and to be representatives for the different causes we citizens voted upon?
No you don't. You are now attempting to couple self righteous religiosity to your ad hominem attack. Where do I make silly assumptions? AS for contributing information to make society better, that is all I have done! I have spoken out against your plans to seize private property. I have denounced your intention to make the product of intellectual labor a monopoly of the State. I have exposed how your society would violate the right to privacy in the name of "transparency," and now you demonstrate how free though would be received: personal attacks coupled with hypocritical pity.
Why did you choose the handle "crowdpsychology?" Do you believe that individual personality gets subsumed when it is in the presence of other human beings? That it is somehow possible to manipulate individuals into believing things, and doing things they otherwise might not do by the application of psychological pressure en mass? That's what earlier totalitarian experiments assumed.
I am very sorry if you cannot see the value of learning from history. They say that repeating the same actions and expecting a different result is the definition of madness.
As for responding three months after my last comment: did you know on "MyATS," there is a list of threads you have participated in? And when someone posts a new response that thread jumps to the top? I responded because the thread jumped to the top. Why did you respond?
How ironic! You are still trying to pretend that I have been defending totalitarianism, when you are the one singing the praise of a panopticon society. (Oh, and I just love the way you hint that everyone who disagrees with you is some sort of paid disinformation agent!)
Once again, here we go:
Intellectual property should not be forfeit to the State. Privacy should be respected. Trade should be regulated, not controlled. Scientists should be free to research.
And I would like to mention this may be the people you should care about mostly.
But Aletheia... sounds more like ale with theia to me, we could use some better marketing on this utopia.
Anyway, history illustrated again and again that power will be misused. Always. Decentralize power and give us free education for everything and we would be able to manage our stuff alone pretty soon. Heck... what could get wrong anyway? We already should be considered an endangered species due to our own failures.
Every single piece of myself would block any nany-state-efforts reflexively. Actually I believe governments depict just another power-structure, that has proven to be deeply flawed due to it's process of personalisation. Consider us to be at some point, where even corporations achieved personal rights without any responsibilities.
And in regards to responsibleness, trancparancy could even hamper progress after all. People may be afraid to loose their position due to a mistake. But I would rather like to life in a society, that is actually able to embrace mistakes as essential part of our personal evolution.
Sure... we may need a new canon of values, maybe even a paradigm-shift to a more suitable lifestyle as part of this blue marble. Native Americans may not be the best example, I thought about the spanish communist communities during their civil war. They worked out so fantastically well on many occasions that their concepts proved to be more than just usefull again, even today.
The fact that collective plants were managed by those who worked in them did not mean that these establishments became their private property. The collective had no right to sell or rent all or any part of the collectivised factory or workshop, The rightful custodian was the CNT, the National Confederation of Workers Associations. But not even the CNT had the right to do as it pleased. Everything had to be decided and ratified by the workers themselves through conferences and congresses.
In order to achieve libertarian communism with production based on need and communal ownership of means of production as well as of what is produced it was necessary to replace the entire capitalist financial system with an alternative socialised economy based on federative unity of the entire workforce, and a means of making collective decisions for the entire economy.
Despite the limitations of the Industrial revolution in Spain, it demonstrated clearly that the working class are perfectly capable of running factories, workshops and public services without bosses or managers dictating to them. libcom.org...
Actually I really think we would be better off without giving away too much power, people usually work together. It's profitable in many ways. We just need a new take on values, so lets put our heads together. Spain could be everywhere, literally. It's not that I think we shouldn't have any gov. at all, but we could most def. use some more "checks and balances".
Todo para todos, nada para nosotros!” (Everything for everybody, nothing for us)
Ants aren't clever little engineers, architects, or warriors after all—at least not as individuals. When it comes to deciding what to do next, most ants don't have a clue. "If you watch an ant try to accomplish something, you'll be impressed by how inept it is," says Deborah M. Gordon, a biologist at Stanford University.
How do we explain, then, the success of Earth's 12,000 or so known ant species? They must have learned something in 140 million years.
One key to an ant colony, for example, is that no one's in charge. No generals command ant warriors. No managers boss ant workers. The queen plays no role except to lay eggs. Even with half a million ants, a colony functions just fine with no management at all—at least none that we would recognize. It relies instead upon countless interactions between individual ants, each of which is following simple rules of thumb. Scientists describe such a system as self-organizing.
I also believe that the aspect of transparency will make similarities and "collective belonging" among individuals stronger, because after PR and money driven interests have been taken away and people can read about the unbiased truth they will not disagree on unessential and ego driven matters like we do today.
Subcomandante Marcos led an armed uprising in Chiapas on New Year's Day 1994.
The rebellion sparked several days of sustained fighting with the federal government, leaving dozens of people dead.
A peace pact was later signed but the Zapatistas' demands were never met and they created their own autonomous justice, health and education systems in several communities.