Anybody remember the DHS ordering 1.6 billion or so rounds of ammunition ( hollow point) back in Feb

I would imagine the majority of you here on ATS remember clearly back in February of 2013 reading about the Department of Homeland Security issuing a purchase of 1.6 billion or so rounds of ammunition ( including hollow point ammunition) ( which is forbidden by international law in the use of war by the way).


Keeping this in context... My question for you all is this.

Is there really any other need for that much deadly ammunition, along with all the other strange FEMA camps popping up outside of an imminent expectation of Martial Law unleashed in America??

I've heard people pose theories like it's necessary for protection from potential threats such as North Korea, Russia, Iran etc... But I'm just not buying it.

Are you guys convinced the government is uping the ante because it sees whats on the horizon??

a reply to: freedom7

Does anyone have figures as to how many rounds of ammo were actually delivered?

a reply to: freedom7

Is there need? I would like to know why they think so. May be a psyop. The fact that the ammo is said to be hollow point is DEFINATLY a psyop.

Hollow point creates major tissue damage, catastrophic wounds and bleeding out. They want you and I to know that. They want you to know they intend to hurt you or whoever the target is.

Remember WACO.

a reply to: freedom7

Yep, it was debunked quite easily too apparently..

www.metabunk.org...

What are these FEMA camps you speak of?

originally posted by: freedom7
I would imagine the majority of you here on ATS remember clearly back in February of 2013 reading about the Department of Homeland Security issuing a purchase of 1.6 billion or so rounds of ammunition ( including hollow point ammunition)

Can you link us to this DHS order for 1,6 billion rounds....

, along with all the other strange FEMA camps popping up

What strange FEMA camps are you on about - how about you linking us to a FEMA website with the location of the camps....

a reply to: hellobruce

Yea it cant be real without a link. Not saying that it is anyway, but gots to have a link nowadays.

It was an UPTO order and if i remember correctly they only had to order 10,000 rounds to complete their legal requirements, the main problem at the time was everyone went mad buying new guns and thus wanted ammo to go with it to play at the range etc which caught the ammo companies by surprise and thus prices rose

The USA is already at war with many of its own people and this is why they are spying on you all so much but the real action will only start after the bonds maket and CDS time bomb goes off and you all find out that your savings and pensions are all gone.

Thow in a little race war just at the right time so you are all fighting eachother and just maybe the power elite can escape by using all thes bullets.

Politicians lie, Numbers don't and have you seen you national debt because its not going away

its not the hollow points that are the problem, its the tanks and apcs and get this (im not kidding) bayonets, yes actual huge knives on their guns!!!

look it up. the police/homeland are going nuts with all this armor, bullets etc.

when was the last time you ever heard of a bayonet being used when there were no bullets? with 1.6 billion bullets who needs a damned bayonet?!

Wetback halfway houses

a reply to: freedom7

DHS Explains: ‘We Bought Ammo While Shopping Online Drunk’

DISCLAIMER: from an April Fool's Day article. But I wouldn't be surprised if this pretty accurate.

“It started out like any work day, with an office party for [Acquisition Contracting Manager Milton Johannsen]’s birthday,” said Jeff Lavange of DHS. “It was a pretty typical cake-and-ice cream deal with your boss, Milt was obviously bored. He’s been here for a long time.”

“At about four o’clock he just stood up and said ‘F—k it!'” continued Lavange. “‘Who wants Benihana!’ he said.”

“[Johannsen] told the whole office to get their things, head out early for, and these are his words not mine, ‘J-steaks,'” said April Weston, an interdepartmental liason working with ICE and Border Protection.

[..]

“Oh yeah, me and [Assistant Director John Onderdonk] were planning this with him for a couple of days now. Hell, Milt just turned sixty, had to celebrate that,” exclaimed Commander Benjamin Hernandez.

“When we got inside, Milt had beers brought over for each of us. Not the little beers, but the big ones,” said Bijay Argawal, Acquisitions Procurement Specialist, as he gestured with his hands. “It took a long time to get our dinner, there were so many of us. But the drinks kept coming.”

“We got so drunk,” confessed Argawal.

“We closed the place down,” said Weston. “[Benihana] ran out of beer, then [Onderdonk] just moved us onto sake. Honestly, I don’t think anyone remembers what happened after that.”

[...]

“I checked my email and saw the new price lists for ammo this year,” said Argawal. “And they had gone up. Johannsen took a look at our budget, then told me to ‘buy it all.'”

“I should have never checked my email,” he said. “We didn’t even realize what we’d done for almost a week, then we got the shipping information.”

“Napolitano’s so pissed,” said Argawal.

“I don’t think anyone’s going to lose their job over this,” said Onderdonk. “I mean, who here can honestly say they’ve never got brick-faced and bought crap they don’t need online? We had the budget for it.”

Good to keep tabs on that one. I'm interested in all the departments that got mucho ammo amigo.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: freedom7

Yep, it was debunked quite easily too apparently..

www.metabunk.org...

Interesting "debunk".

So the first thing to notice here is that it's not an order for 450 million bullets. It's a contract to supply, with a MAXIMUM volume of 450 million rounds over FIVE YEARS.

So really it's a contract to supply up to 90 million bullets a year.

It's also not just the DHS. It's the DHS and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

So okay, only 90 million rounds a year…

Which go "mostly" to practice…

They are fired during training and practice. A DHS officer going through basic firearms training will fire over a thousand rounds. Officers are also required to qualify with their weapon every year accounting for a few hundred rounds, and will often go though additional firearms training programs, each of which can use over a thousand rounds.

So the police that simultaneously pump multiple rounds into people they do shoot at are well practiced in firearms discipline, requiring less bullets to hit your mark, considering that …

…US law enforcement have ALWAYS use hollow-point bullets. They use them specifically for A) Stopping power, and B) to minimize collateral damage.

So all that practice and all that stopping power is not enough. They still need to go all Gangsta' on "suspects" , emptying their magazines in real life. On the practice range "pumping rounds" into a target draws criticism, in real life situations its, "I lost it".

Bulls***, they were making sure they were dead.

By the way, a hollow point bullet is designed to spend its energy in the target without passing through. Unless it misses. Considering the reports of people being shot multiple times, I wonder why practiced competent officers feel the need to shoot a dozen rounds each at a "suspect".

ETA:Bad Boys, Bad Boys… whatcha gonna dooo?

a reply to: intrptr

Nope sorry, you shoot until the threat is neutralised.

a reply to: freedom7

I remember that CLAIM. I also remember it being debunked pretty quickly.

Bullet Whole

THE GREAT DHS AMMUNITION STOCKPILE MYTH

a reply to: freedom7

Two things loom in the future for the US and the world in general. First, the influx of the Mexicans and other Latin-Americans will displease and displace large masses of blacks in the US as numbers swell. Those that have violence as a cultural pattern of behavior for a disagreement with the major society will take the Latins on as their local enemies. Greater civil unrest is virtually guaranteed. The current "coalition" between the two areas will not be maintained as the distinctions between the two cultures becomes more apparent in day-to-day affairs where one side is always losing out.

Second, at some point life will be found elsewhere and eventually the UFOs will be admitted to as being incursions of ETs into our world with their mandated agenda for us. Greater social and cultural unrest is guaranteed here also as some religious elements around the world will not accept this reality. All across the Western world today countries are being forced to "share the wealth" with countries that have little or no bearing on the existence of the donors. The US is the leading "policeman" for the world and as a result it is heavily involved in the transformation at a dear cost which the present administration is attempting to spread with a studied vengeance beyond what the conventional public is willing to accept.

In short, that ammo will be needed. A 9mm hollow point makes a second head shot a waste of time and lead.

a reply to: freedom7

Hollow point ammo is outlawed in military conflict. It is perfectly legal for American law enforcement to use it. It's perfectly legal for you, as a private citizen, to go down to the local gun store and buy several boxes of it where I live.

"Deadly ammunition?" Seriously? Do you think ball ammo is "safer" than hollow points? Is ball ammo "less deadly" than hollow points? That is without a doubt one of the most absurd comments I've ever seen on this site.

Getting shot sucks. If you ever have the unpleasant opportunity to get shot, I promise you that you will not care whether it was a hollow point or ball round. You would not lay there and think "thank my lucky stars that was just ball ammo and not a hollow point."

Where are all these FEMA camps you're talking about? What are they outside of?

I'm not convinced the government is upping the ante. I AM convinced there's a lot of Chicken Little action on this site.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: intrptr

Nope sorry, you shoot until the threat is neutralised.

Thats the "excuse" to unload, at "perceived" threats.

Judge, jury and executioner.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: intrptr

Nope sorry, you shoot until the threat is neutralised.

Thats the "excuse" to unload, at "perceived" threats.

Judge, jury and executioner.

that's the "response" from somebody who's never been in combat and faced a "threat" and has their "mind" made up and doesn't care to hear anything unless it agrees with their own opinions.

Ahh don't worry about the APC's, fully automatic weapons, bayonets, drones and massive stockpiles of bullets! The US just wanted their domestic police force to look tacticool.