The lie of multiculturalism

a reply to: rowanflame
I've never seen that definition.

Got a link?

I believe people should have a choice about the environment they live in. If they want to be with only their own culture, there should be places where that is possible, but not to have multiculturalism forced on them. The USA was built with many cultures, so a person that wishes that could locate there. But there should be options to have places where segregation is acceptable. For instance, Israel appears to be going in that direction. Even though many criticize that as apartheid, I am not so sure that is a horrible goal. I agree that groups who immigrate to a foreign land, should adapt to the lands language. If they want things to be as it is at their origin, why leave that?

a reply to: rowanflame

Racist much?!?

a reply to: rowanflame

That is all part of the plan. Destroy the middle class through these means, they have been doing this in the US here as well for a long time. The ruling class will destroy the world and civilization before any meteor or natural disaster. Bet on it.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

No, both sides DO NOT have to adjust, assimilate or leave

defensive posturing is no way to greet new people to your area

you can never have consensus when all groups in a multi-cult environment are pulling for themselves and forgetting about everyone else.

where I live different cultural groups pull together all the time, they have done so for decades.

Because of this aspect of multi-culturalism, society fractures to an unrecoverable tipping point, services get overburdened and fail, infrastructure fails, politicians fail and of course, monetary systems fail, the society fails. Wait a few more years, you'll see it in full blown action as we accelerate down the slide.

I have seen multiculturalism go from immigrants in poverty just trying to survive to second and third generations who contribute to a multicultural society regularly. It's mainly because of the tolerance exhibited by the locals. both sides adjusted and it worked. The few folks who lived by the rule "assimilate or leave" were the ones who left.

originally posted by: rowanflame
I'm so sick of these rich politicians who live in "choice" areas talking about how multiculturalism is supposedly a great thing. As someone who actually has lived this and seen my area in London change into one of the most multicultural boroughs I completely refute what they say. They don't live it and therefore are not qualified to talk on the subject.

Everything in my area has steadily declined since it has become more multicultural. The whole area has become more dirty, dysfunctional, increase in crime, decrease in employment, increase in drugs, decrease in school grades, decrease in services, local businesses, decrease in the etiquette people show for one another, people becoming like animals. I find the whole thing disgusting and can say with 100% certainty that no civilisation can be built or maintained off the backs of such a community. If immigration into London is not halted within 100 years London will be a huge ghetto where only the poorest will be forced to live, I suspect anyone with money will either have moved way out to some gated town or left the country completely.

Anyway, I really don’t have an issue with 3rd world immigrants coming over here looking for a better life, working hard at our lowest paying jobs to help build my country.

What I do have a huge problem with is silver spoon arrogant white British people, who move to western Australia to come and steal our 150k a year mining jobs and just spend the whole time getting drunk and partying and just acting like fools in general……… Just saying.

originally posted by: passit
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

No, both sides DO NOT have to adjust, assimilate or leave

defensive posturing is no way to greet new people to your area

you can never have consensus when all groups in a multi-cult environment are pulling for themselves and forgetting about everyone else.

where I live different cultural groups pull together all the time, they have done so for decades.

Because of this aspect of multi-culturalism, society fractures to an unrecoverable tipping point, services get overburdened and fail, infrastructure fails, politicians fail and of course, monetary systems fail, the society fails. Wait a few more years, you'll see it in full blown action as we accelerate down the slide.

I have seen multiculturalism go from immigrants in poverty just trying to survive to second and third generations who contribute to a multicultural society regularly. It's mainly because of the tolerance exhibited by the locals. both sides adjusted and it worked. The few folks who lived by the rule "assimilate or leave" were the ones who left.

I don't know where you live in the Government's Feudal Oligarchy of the Colony of Canadakastan, but I live near Toronto. Here we have the multicultural gangs, about 21 in Toronto and 27 in the burbs, that's colourful ;-) There's the occasional turf war, one of my friend's nephews was shot about a week ago in a Chinese restaurant while minding his own business, colourful again. Unfortunately, the colour is kind of a red ocher, you know, blood.

We got our own little semi-segregated communities of some Europeans not liking to deal with other Europeans or anybody else. The Asians aren't much different, except they really try to steer business to their "own" with little to no exceptions. The Jewish community is a closed system here, it's like the cockroach motel, money goes in but it can never leave, oh wait that's Hotel California, same difference ;-) Now I am not saying all immigrants are bad, it's like any group of people, you have good people and bad people, but the terrorists really have to stop sending their relatives here to live and start charity organizations to fund more terrorism. We don't need any more, we have Czar Harpernista and his band of merry assclowns, and that is quite enough (actually too much, reminds me of the full glass anxiety test).

Now, Toronto is pretty big and the bigger the machine, generally the more friction it generates. I think at last count the GTA was around 6.5 million people, I could be wrong, but if that number is right then I guess 18% of the population of this entire colony is likely to get pissed off at some point by the number of opportunistic retards running around in their little guerrilla turf wars. Of course that loud suction sound of welfare cheques going offshore probably doesn't help either or the burka wearing ninja's of which there is no telling gender, maybe that's an ak47 strapped to its leg or is it just happy to see me?

I am laughing a bit here, they passed a law about masks. You can't wear one into a bank, even though by wearing just a mask, t-shirt and jeans they could kind of see if you had serious weapons or not, right? But you can paint you eyes, throw on a burka, hide your size 13 military boots, the type 3 Kevlar body armour, the 9mm, the 45 cal, the sawed off shotgun, 3000 rounds and two IED's and nobody can say "boo!" to you about what your wearing or stop you, because it would be racist. We live if ef'ing Bizarro World now! I just see it now, burka clad ninja's rob every jewish business and bank in Toronto as retaliation for the palestinians.

Back on topic... we used to have a bit of a culture here, so did England maybe 20 or 30 years ago. Now all we have is the multi cult and it is a cult that is rabidly defended by it's liberal PC zealots and frenetic fanatics, much like other cults (AGW is another one) and some alleged religions (of which AGW might be one).

With the way things are going, I wish you and all others a long life in Canada, certainly long enough to become a burden on the new society of immigrants, which our non-representative elected officials keep dropping on us ;-)

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
I am laughing a bit here, they passed a law about masks. You can't wear one into a bank, even though by wearing just a mask, t-shirt and jeans they could kind of see if you had serious weapons or not, right? But you can paint you eyes, throw on a burka, hide your size 13 military boots, the type 3 Kevlar body armour, the 9mm, the 45 cal, the sawed off shotgun, 3000 rounds and two IED's and nobody can say "boo!" to you about what your wearing or stop you, because it would be racist. We live if ef'ing Bizarro World now! I just see it now, burka clad ninja's rob every jewish business and bank in Toronto as retaliation for the palestinians.

That is quite the strawman. So, before the mask law people couldn't throw on a burka?

a reply to: rowanflame

Adolf Hitler on Multiculturalism (video) - Mein Kampf

Multiculturalism is used to divide and conquer people by a ruling class. Chiefly, it is to destroy the white race and any form of advanced civilization.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
I am laughing a bit here, they passed a law about masks. You can't wear one into a bank, even though by wearing just a mask, t-shirt and jeans they could kind of see if you had serious weapons or not, right? But you can paint you eyes, throw on a burka, hide your size 13 military boots, the type 3 Kevlar body armour, the 9mm, the 45 cal, the sawed off shotgun, 3000 rounds and two IED's and nobody can say "boo!" to you about what your wearing or stop you, because it would be racist. We live if ef'ing Bizarro World now! I just see it now, burka clad ninja's rob every jewish business and bank in Toronto as retaliation for the palestinians.

That is quite the strawman. So, before the mask law people couldn't throw on a burka?

Of course they could throw on a burka, it's the, "worse than a double standard" aspect of the entire scenario. One rule fits all or one rule fits none, I think that's pretty simple, but it's not the way it is in practice. The same thing can be applied to racism. I have seen thousands of black racists and xenophobes, but you can't be racist unless you're white? WTF is up with that?

/begin rant
You can't be gender biased unless you're male and yet there are lots of radicalized, rabid and militant feminists out there that have no problem hurling vitriol from their gaping pie-holes, but that's OK, they're women, gender biasing means they get a free pass and the rules don't apply to them.

You can't be bigoted unless you belong to a religion that espouses catholism or christianity as the only way, yet fanatical muslims go bat-sh*t crazy and that's not being bigoted, it's either whitewashed as part of their religion or they're terrorists (if there is oil or some other coveted natural resource involved).

The world is really ef'ed up, it really is Bizarro world. The entire retarded system is driven by double standards, skewed laws, dystopian and dysfunctional rules and of course the unfair way only certain groups which are perceived as majorities (even though they aren't majorities) are targeted for legalized harassment.

Governments and the legal system operate as predators, they use exclusion, extortion and exploitation as their weapons. They make the excuse that "it's the law," but no one is accountable, there is no transparency, you can't question these assclowns and if you do want to venture into their "shark infested waters," you have to go to court which would probably costs millions and the jackasses are in a conflict of interest anyway. So you get one stupid rule/law overturned, they just do it again and it's back to their stupid kangaroo courts to flail about a bit more and lose a lot more, and then there are hundreds of thousands of other stupid laws that keep popping up.

Billions of people are damaged by the international and reserve banking systems and our idiot governments let these things keep running, so you gotta know the entire thing is rigged, it's one big ass set up for their club and you an me, we ain't in the club bubba. You're in the (colony/country of your choice) Casino, where the house always wins and you can't even get out with your life. You have to admit the system sucks and the entire thing is a mess.

Exclusion, Extortion, Exploitation, Financing ' Dysfunctional Usury Predatory
And that describes pretty much any government pretty well, EEEF'D UP.
I could have used Malfeasance, Nepotism, Corruption, etc., but this was easier LOL.
/end rant

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
One rule fits all or one rule fits none, I think that's pretty simple, but it's not the way it is in practice.

That's life in general, why try to make it out to be something exclusive to multiculturalism?

The same thing can be applied to racism. I have seen thousands of black racists and xenophobes, but you can't be racist unless you're white? WTF is up with that?

Seems to me you're just saying this to feign outrage.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
One rule fits all or one rule fits none, I think that's pretty simple, but it's not the way it is in practice.

That's life in general, why try to make it out to be something exclusive to multiculturalism?

The same thing can be applied to racism. I have seen thousands of black racists and xenophobes, but you can't be racist unless you're white? WTF is up with that?

Seems to me you're just saying this to feign outrage.

Yeah, cause I feign outrage so well LOL. I am disgusted with the system, it's unfair, it's seriously skewed, 2-5% of the population is controlling legislation and direction and that ain't democracy, that's control by lobbyists and in any other business other than scam artist politics, that would be bribery, which is criminal.

Where did I leave that reset button?

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle
What does any of that have to do with people being free to practice their traditions, with a few caveats attached?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
One rule fits all or one rule fits none, I think that's pretty simple, but it's not the way it is in practice.

That's life in general, why try to make it out to be something exclusive to multiculturalism?

The same thing can be applied to racism. I have seen thousands of black racists and xenophobes, but you can't be racist unless you're white? WTF is up with that?

Seems to me you're just saying this to feign outrage.

No, I've seen this too, the double standard. And I work in social justice.

It is ridiculous that "only white people can be racist." That has always pissed me off, and I've seen other people show all the signs of bigotry, including stereotyping, essentializing, and judging someone purely based on their skin. I DO find it bizarre and extremely problematic that a lot of people seem to turn a blind eye if a minority says a clearly stereotyping or hateful comment about white people.

originally posted by: rowanflame

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: Syyth007

Yes, but Florida is a vast state with many different cultures

Which was my original point in the first place. The OP was seemingly trying to insinuate that my state of residence was somehow not as multicultural as his home, which, as you know, is ludicrous. Florida is very multicultural indeed.

Thats because the population density of Florida is noway near that of London and we have way more immigrants per square mile, you would have to multiply your "multicultural" scene by a number of magnitude to arrive at the same levels as London. For example I got the bus home last Saturday, only white person on the bus and nobody was speaking English that ever happened to you in Florida?

New york is denser than London, and has a larger immigrant population, and its doing fine with various integrated cultures.

originally posted by: ScreenBogey
I agree with you the OP. Mass immigration is trashing the country. Rich people don't care because they live in lovely country hamlets. Normal people are compressed into urban centers and cannot afford to escape. Immigration isn't working, unless you're rich and benefit from the consequent suppression of the average wage. But if you dare to say anything, you're labelled a racist. I suppose they'll call us anti-Semites next. Don't think, don't speak out, do as you're told, as your society deteriorates.

Eh, I think you guys are wrong.

I am from the San Francisco area, but now live in NYC. Two very diverse immigrant multicultural areas.

Seriously, a lot of people who immigrate are also go getters and very intelligent people from other countries. It is the diversity in part that encourages invention, creativity, new music, new tech, etc.

originally posted by: rowanflame
a reply to: windword
Yeah fun for a day but I guess you were glad to getaway at the end of the day !

You guys really are quite xenophobic. Just having good ol' white bred European culture gets boring after while.

Here in NYC the diversity and people from all over the world makes the place super interesting, fun, creative, intellectual, etc. You can't be a world class city if it's not international and with people from all over the world.

I don't find it as cool just to "getaway at the end of the day."

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Never said it didn't exist.

The FBI stats show that people "other than white" are arrested, charged and convicted of hate crimes and while people can complain about the numbers themselves, it doesn't support the claim that society, at least in the US, holds that "only white people can be racist".

You can have the occasional family in a different culture. But large-scale population movement of multiculturalism does not work. It is against the natural order of things, IMO.

This is proven because by and large, people do not assimilate. There are exceptions. There are always exceptions. Exceptional cases do not a trend make.

In general people coalesce with each other / their own when given the chance.

a reply to: MarkJS

Is it that 3rd world people can’t assimilate into a 1st world culture, or is it that our racist views and hostile attitudes are not allowing them to assimilate?

I’m not trying to say I know it all. I mean, we had the white Australia policy law right up until 1973, so the whole non- white European immigration thing is fairly new in my country. Even when we abolished the white policy law, we only really let eastern Europeans in on any mass scale at first. My dad always talks about how everyone used to say the exact same thing about the Greeks and Italians as the racist bigots say about the Asian and African races these days, how there culture is just to different and how they just can’t assimilate into our culture. But now a few generations in and you can rarely even tell if a person is Greek or Italian, most of them just come across as everyday Aussies.

So I think it’s a complete load of BS when people make ignorant claims about them not being able to assimilate into our culture over time or that there somehow going to destroy our way of life, its just bigoted nonsense with no evidence to back it up whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious to hear people living in cities like London claiming it used to be some kind of utopia before mass immigration started. I mean no offence (like seriously, no offence), but it seems to me London was always a horrible place to live. Isn't that why they traveled all over the world raping and pillaging native cultures, so they could steal there land and have some where a nicer to live?

In fact crime was so bad and wide spread that they turned the whole of Australia into one big jail just so they’d have somewhere to put these masses of white British criminals and now people are running there mouths like crime is somehow solely a result of immigration, lol.

What about pre WWII, when horses were still wide spread, you wouldn't have been able to step outside in London without being knee deep in horse s@#t. No efficient garbage disposal or modern sewage system made the streets smell unbearable and disease was everywhere. In fact, up until very recently vitamin D deficiency was a huge problem in London because of all the mass pollution blocked out the sunlight and their where kids running around with crooked spines and respiratory problems everywhere.

London has always been a dark, gloomy and horribly over populated place to live from what I here, blaming it on immigration is just ridiculous.

When it comes to the US and all the issues they have with crime and slums. Well that all comes down to economic issues, lack of an efficient welfare system and deliberate segregation. The US was the first country to really enact mass immigration and they just made a lot of mistakes, which is simply an inevitable result when undertaking a new social experiment for the first time.

Just saying it doesn't work and being hostile to immigration does nothing but make the issues worse. People just have to except immigration and living side by side with other cultures as a reality of a modern day world. We also all need to realize its actually a very positive step in the journey to advancing human kind as a whole.

To make it work efficiently, we simply just have to study countries like the US who have pioneered mass immigration and identify what they have done right and what they have done wrong. Then obviously just adjust accordingly to how we currently do it.

A good example would be that countries need to start placing newly arrived immigrants in small groups into well off rural and suburban areas, rather than just trying to flood them all into poor segregated urban areas with little to no employment prospects and then sit back and scratch our heads, wondering why the area all of a sudden turns into a high crime slum area.