How to spot a psychopath

originally posted by: Pitou
a reply to: Tangerine

I know... but still, it seemed as if I caught him at a bad moment. I was at that point already startled by certain things before I really knew of sociopathy. Perhaps it's something else, I admit it's possible, but he ticked basically all/most of the boxes or at least appeared to.

Your instinct is probably the best indicator. Instead of being taught to trust our instincts, we've been socialized to ignore them -- probably because if we did trust our instincts, politicians and similar scum would have a harder time conning us.

a reply to: QueenofWeird

They still have desires and that is the reason why they commit crime, and seek wealth - they still need to gratify themselves.

If you are totally "empty" and have no "desires" they would call you "enlightened" - funny isn't it?

I can do the exact same thing however I don't need a mirror - to me, it is like "Wow, nothing..."

That is all it is, nothing.

They seemed to be possessed by this "nothing" - or obsessed with it.

originally posted by: PrinceRupertsDog
a reply to: QueenofWeird

I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm surprised more people aren't picking up on it in the thread.

The pupil dilates or constricts based on emotional state in addition to light levels. That really cant be controlled very much my sheer willpower.

For instance, if a woman finds a man attractive, her pupils will dilate. We have a word for that "bedroom eyes". Conversely, men are attracted to that. This all happens subconsciously and with many more emotional circumstances.

For a sociopath, their pupils don't follow the norm, and some people pick up on that subconsciously as well.

Bedroom eyes refers to heavily lidded or half-closed eyes, a sideways glance or seductive look , not to dilated pupils.

It's true that the pupil dilates or constricts for a number of reasons and dilated pupils do indicate a response to desire. But let's not forget that when a sociopath sees a potential mark, he experiences desire. It's not true (not that you said it) that sociopaths don't experience some emotions (apart from empathy). I'm unaware of any study that indicates that sociopaths' pupils don't dilate or constrict as those of "normal" people. Can you refer me to some information about that?

Interesting discussion.

a reply to: Tangerine

Well, you're not exactly correct about tbe bedroom eyes. Although because "bedroom eyes" is a subjective definition, there is wiggle room, but if you Google "bedroom eyes" and "dilated pupils" you'll see what I mean.

I haven't posted a link before, but I found this, link

I'm sure there are better sources, but that's the first thing I found on the googles.

Anyway, quick side note: due to a childhood injury, David Bowie as a permanently dialated pupil in one eye.

a reply to: Tangerine

One other thing that I meant to respond to, even though you said I never said it, is that I agree. Sociopaths/psychopaths/antisocial personality disordered persons DO experience emotions, but differently than a majority of the population. And that's what some people pick-up on. Subtle clues that someone is experiencing an emotion a "normal" person wouldn't experience under a particular circumstance, and these clues may be physiological in nature. In the Dune universe, Herbert called these adepts "truthsayers".

Further, I feel (I.e. my opinion) is that any successful society needs "law abiding" sociopaths. We can joke about it, but I would wager that I can directly trace the existance of my job to the actions of a psychopathic.

The BEST way to spot a psychopath is by their witch's mark, which indicates where they've had congress with the Devil.
Also, you should tie them to a log and throw them in a river. Should they drown, they're obviously not psychopaths.

Seriously though, one thing is as true and old as humankind, which is to look on your neighbor with contempt and suspicion.

PS: EVERYONE exhibits any or all of those so-called "psychopathic" traits at different times of their lives. This is because we are human beings, not frigging caricatures.

originally posted by: Unresponsible
The BEST way to spot a psychopath is by their witch's mark, which indicates where they've had congress with the Devil.
Also, you should tie them to a log and throw them in a river. Should they drown, they're obviously not psychopaths.

Seriously though, one thing is as true and old as humankind, which is to look on your neighbor with contempt and suspicion.

PS: EVERYONE exhibits any or all of those so-called "psychopathic" traits at different times of their lives. This is because we are human beings, not frigging caricatures.

Do you doubt that sociopaths exist?

a reply to: Tangerine

I absolutely doubt that a label defines a person.

originally posted by: PrinceRupertsDog
a reply to: Tangerine

Well, you're not exactly correct about tbe bedroom eyes. Although because "bedroom eyes" is a subjective definition, there is wiggle room, but if you Google "bedroom eyes" and "dilated pupils" you'll see what I mean.

I haven't posted a link before, but I found this, link

I'm sure there are better sources, but that's the first thing I found on the googles.

Anyway, quick side note: due to a childhood injury, David Bowie as a permanently dialated pupil in one eye.

The link is interesting but it doesn't reveal anything specific to sociopaths. The pupils dilate when one sees something they like: a potential lover, a pie, or prey.

I did google bedroom eyes and it came up with the same definition I would have used without googling: a seductive glance, half-closed lids, a come hither look. Women sometimes bat their eyelashes. It definitely isn't a stare.

originally posted by: PrinceRupertsDog
a reply to: Tangerine

One other thing that I meant to respond to, even though you said I never said it, is that I agree. Sociopaths/psychopaths/antisocial personality disordered persons DO experience emotions, but differently than a majority of the population. And that's what some people pick-up on. Subtle clues that someone is experiencing an emotion a "normal" person wouldn't experience under a particular circumstance, and these clues may be physiological in nature. In the Dune universe, Herbert called these adepts "truthsayers".

Further, I feel (I.e. my opinion) is that any successful society needs "law abiding" sociopaths. We can joke about it, but I would wager that I can directly trace the existance of my job to the actions of a psychopathic.

I think most of us have experienced "sixth-sense" sensations regarding others and, hopefully, have acted accordingly. I have always trusted my dogs' perceptions about people. My dogs always barked when someone knocked on the door--as dogs will do--but quieted down when I asked them to do so. On one occasion in the middle of the afternoon, a man in a suit knocked on my door and my dogs went crazy. They leapt at the door and growled and snapped in a frenzy and I could not get them to stop. I wouldn't have opened that door for all the money in the world. On another occasion, I was at someone else's home with my dogs and several people I didn't know were also there. Everyone was sitting in the living room talking. My dogs positioned themselves with their backs to me and facing one of the men. Every time he leaned forward to pick up his drink from the coffee table, my dogs made very low, almost subvocal, growling sounds. I would not have trusted that man.

I once knew a woman I thought was a sociopath. I expressed my condolences when I ran into her after she had returned from her Grandmother's funeral and she said, very cheerfully, "Oh, I had a great time!" Suspicion confirmed. Had she been in conning mode, she would not have made that slip.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: PrinceRupertsDog
a reply to: Tangerine

One other thing that I meant to respond to, even though you said I never said it, is that I agree. Sociopaths/psychopaths/antisocial personality disordered persons DO experience emotions, but differently than a majority of the population. And that's what some people pick-up on. Subtle clues that someone is experiencing an emotion a "normal" person wouldn't experience under a particular circumstance, and these clues may be physiological in nature. In the Dune universe, Herbert called these adepts "truthsayers".

Further, I feel (I.e. my opinion) is that any successful society needs "law abiding" sociopaths. We can joke about it, but I would wager that I can directly trace the existance of my job to the actions of a psychopathic.

I think most of us have experienced "sixth-sense" sensations regarding others and, hopefully, have acted accordingly. I have always trusted my dogs' perceptions about people. My dogs always barked when someone knocked on the door--as dogs will do--but quieted down when I asked them to do so. On one occasion in the middle of the afternoon, a man in a suit knocked on my door and my dogs went crazy. They leapt at the door and growled and snapped in a frenzy and I could not get them to stop. I wouldn't have opened that door for all the money in the world. On another occasion, I was at someone else's home with my dogs and several people I didn't know were also there. Everyone was sitting in the living room talking. My dogs positioned themselves with their backs to me and facing one of the men. Every time he leaned forward to pick up his drink from the coffee table, my dogs made very low, almost subvocal, growling sounds. I would not have trusted that man.

I once knew a woman I thought was a sociopath. I expressed my condolences when I ran into her after she had returned from her Grandmother's funeral and she said, very cheerfully, "Oh, I had a great time!" Suspicion confirmed. Had she been in conning mode, she would not have made that slip.

We do have "law abiding" sociopaths in society. They're called politicians and some CIA and special forces operatives.

MY eyes look like THAT and either I am more intelligent than ALL of the Psychiatrists I have seen or some people JUST have hard eyes.
I AM pissed at the planet however.

a reply to: Specimen

Like GIBBS!
Seriously tagging because of the eyes is NOT accurate.I have been odd all my life.

originally posted by: QueenofWeird
a reply to: Specimen

BY the time the actions make clear that you are dealing with a psychopath, it's too late...

Yes and no, depending on how they present themselves. Psychopaths seem to be a mix of pathological liars, narcissistic personalities, and usually BS. They are borderline anti-social, but will probably be social as can be, and are passive aggressive due to the way they can detach emotionally to get what they want. You could hook them up to a lie detector, and they'd probably pass, due to the way they can separate themselves from emotion, and would show very little signs of anxiety.

Which gives the old saying, " A wolf in Sheeps clothing" an old meaning.

While sociopaths on the other hand kind of seem to have bad temper, and are possibly more explosive then that of a psychopath.

The eyes do help, but it won't reveal much if they are a psychopath or not.
It will only show how one is feeling at the moment.

I see psychopaths all the time, they are called gangstalkers.

originally posted by: Specimen

originally posted by: QueenofWeird
a reply to: Specimen

BY the time the actions make clear that you are dealing with a psychopath, it's too late...

Yes and no, depending on how they present themselves. Psychopaths seem to be a mix of pathological liars, narcissistic personalities, and usually BS. They are borderline anti-social, but will probably be social as can be, and are passive aggressive due to the way they can detach emotionally to get what they want. You could hook them up to a lie detector, and they'd probably pass, due to the way they can separate themselves from emotion, and would show very little signs of anxiety.

Which gives the old saying, " A wolf in Sheeps clothing" an old meaning.

While sociopaths on the other hand kind of seem to have bad temper, and are possibly more explosive then that of a psychopath.

The eyes do help, but it won't reveal much if they are a psychopath or not.
It will only show how one is feeling at the moment.

You're confused about definitions. Borderline anti-social? LOL.

a reply to: Tangerine

Well, they are pretty much similar in their definitions and the way they are viewed or stereotyped. What I meant to say, psychopaths just some how blend in compared to someone who's a sociopath. Both will try to push their views of themselves onto others, and will be manipulative to where it would harm or hinder someone. Psychopaths though will just probably control themselves better then sociopaths, but then both believe they are right all the time, as if trapped in a small box called ego, or what ever definition.

Psychopaths have the obsession and the desire but it depends on the desire, like that of a Buddhist Asura or Christian Devil. While Sociopaths have a temper of a man eating beast or a Rakshasa.

Both are interchangeable. lol.

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a reply to: deloprator20000

Gangstalking is more about paranoia in the victim and less about the activities of actual people. I've participated in local Icarus Society meetings where mentally ill people choose to go without medication, and many of these people take a steep adjustment learning to think normally. Your state of mind can make you believe absolutely anything is going on. It is up to you to reject false reality in order to live a healthy life. When you do this, suddenly, all of those staring glares transform into very normal micro-fraction of a second glances in an instant.

Accept it or not, you do have full control over your internal dialogue. You can literally believe anything you want, but when you don't manage your internal dialogue, it is almost like a flywheel spinning at high speed. It is very hard to pull up all the weeds a person has allowed to proliferate there after a lifetime of negligence, but it can be done. I've observed firsthand very paranoid people come back from the depths of total delusion using nothing other than self-talk and the management of their internal dialogue.