Obama immigration action opens the door to terrorist

Obama's action isn't just lawless, it will open the door to terrorist.

Obama himself said he first needed Congress to pass a law before he can act because he's not Emperor. People often cite Reagan but Reagan only gave his Executive Order after Congress passed a full Amnesty Bill that he signed into law.

Reagan and Bush acted in conjunction with Congress and in furtherance of a congressional purpose. In 1986, Congress passed a full-blown amnesty, the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, conferring residency rights on some 3 million people.

Without the passage of Simpson-Mazzoli, Reagan couldn't do anything. He couldn't say that Congress isn't passing a Bill fast enough so I'm going to do these things on my own.

That's just lawless. Who said so? OBAMA SAID IT!!

He said first Congress needs to pass a law.

Why do we need Congress if the President can carry out Executive Actions everytime the President doesn't get his way??

For instance, Obama couldn't do Executive Orders on Obamacare if it didn't pass the House and the Senate. Obama said the job of a President is to EXECUTE laws passed by Congress. It doesn't say if a President gets frustrated he can just do these things through Executive Action.

Obama has also made every criminal happy.

There's no way to prove somebody hasn't been in the United States for 5 years or more. There will be fake and forged documents that will allow someone that's been here a month to say they've lived here over 5 years.

A Sheriff was talking earlier and he said when they stop someone for say running a light and they ask them what's there status, if they say illegal, they have to call Ice and Ice says if they have been here over 5 years let them go.

How do they know if they have been here over 5 years??

Like I said this will be a big boon to criminals in border states because they will make a fortune selling doctored and forged documents.

Terrorist will also have a legit in into the United States. They can send people through the border with forged documents. They can then get a work permit and Social Security Number and blend right in. They can be here for 2 months and say they have been here for 6 years.

Here's some of the documents you had to supply last time Obama did this:

Applicants to the 2012 program had to show evidence like birth certificates, report cards, medical records, pay stubs and utility bills, according to form instructions.

As the article pointed out, many legit immigrants couldn't afford to do it. I think the fee was like $465. This time it will be even higher and the people who will be able to afford this and use forged documents is criminals and terrorist.

It's just common sense. A terrorist organization should flood the border with people with fake documents and then they will be blended into society with S.S. Numbers and Work Permits.

This is a Pandora's Box being opened by a lawless President.

yawn.....

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

Words of Wisdom from the lawless one Obama:

“[T]here are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. … I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.” (7/1/10)

“America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the President, am obligated to enforce the law. I don’t have a choice about that. That’s part of my job. But I can advocate for changes in the law so that we have a country that is both respectful of the law but also continues to be a great nation of immigrants. … With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed …. [W]e’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws. There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.” (3/28/11)

And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true. … We live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved.” (9/28/11)

YOU HAVE TO PASS BILLS THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE FIRST!!

These are Obama's own words. Obama knows what he's doing is lawless but he also know he has the media to protect him in whatever he does.

a reply to: neoholographic

Obama himself said he first needed Congress to pass a law before he can act because he's not Emperor. People often cite Reagan but Reagan only gave his Executive Order after Congress passed a full Amnesty Bill that he signed into law.

You are half right. His first EO was written in 81 the second in 87. Executive Order 12324 - Interdiction of Illegal Aliens
September 29, 1981

He said first Congress needs to pass a law.

Yes he said that time and time again wanna know why he said it so many times? Because the obstructionist in the House refused to call the bill to a vote.

Terrorist will also have a legit in into the United States. They can send people through the border with forged documents.

If they have forged documents then it's not legit is it?

It's just common sense. A terrorist organization should flood the border with people with fake documents and then they will be blended into society with S.S. Numbers and Work Permits.

Sure they will they will be coming in by the truckloads.

a reply to: buster2010

Again, Reagan gave this order because Congress passed a law!! This was about enforcement of the LAW!!

As Obama himself said, Congress needs to pass a law first.

3) To return the vessel and its passengers to the country from which it came, when there is reason to believe that an offense is being committed against the United States immigration laws, or appropriate laws of a foreign country with which we have an arrangement to assist; provided, however, that no person who is a refugee will be returned without his consent.

(d) These actions, pursuant to this Section, are authorized to be undertaken only outside the territorial waters of the United States.

Sec. 3. The Attorney General shall, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Department in which the Coast Guard is operating, take whatever steps are necessary to ensure the fair enforcement of our laws relating to immigration (including effective implementation of this Executive Order) and the strict observance of our international obligations concerning those who genuinely flee persecution in their homeland.

This is an Executive Order enforcing our IMMIGRATION LAWS!!

I'm not worried about terrorism I'm more worried about people finding jobs.

a reply to: buster2010

If this so called reform is so urgent, why didn't Obama do it back when they passed Obamacare? Because Congress disagrees with him doesn't give him the right to act on his own.

a reply to: buster2010

Why didn't they pass immigration reform when they had both the houses and the presidency from 2008-2010?

originally posted by: mugger
a reply to: buster2010

If this so called reform is so urgent, why didn't Obama do it back when they passed Obamacare? Because Congress disagrees with him doesn't give him the right to act on his own.

Exactly!!

This is just lawless. Imagine a President who supported the Keystone Pipeline saying I'm frustrated at Congress so I'm just going to do this through Executive Action.

It's lawless. Congress has to first pass a law and Obama can be frustrated and turn blue in the face, but it's like he said:

And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true. … We live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved.” (9/28/11)

His Job is to Execute laws passed by Congress.

a reply to: neoholographic

you are right but I don't think they would mind that, they desperately need some genuine terros now that their recent false flags haven't worked out so well for them.

a reply to: neoholographic

Lets move forward and see how the Republicans will come up with measures to strengthen the boarders and come up with some new rules around immigration...the reality is they won't. They like cheap labor as much as the democrats..

They will grandstand and limit money to the necessary departments but they will never shut down the boarder...it's all smoke and mirrors.

And both parties will continue to pit us against each other...

This is the least lawless thing he has done. That is, if you believe in natural law and the rights of man.

But since the title of the op establishes the premise that it is opening us up for terrorists....that is silly. the worst people out there, the real boogeymen and monsters, can come into the country with/without immigration reform. Seriously.

I hate Obama as much as the next guy, but this isn't the battle ground. Or did we forget the gun running operation?

a reply to: chrismarco

Yea... but the political whores here on ATS and elsewhere will continue to lap the Kool-Aid right off the privates of their political heroes. I don't worry about terrorism. I worry about the epidemic of the sound-bite slurping clueless that continue to play into the fantasy of the American political system. They're many and they're loud. They're like the Minions. Little twinkies running around inciting chaos thinking they know what's up. We're screwed.

a reply to: neoholographic

As much as I despise the puppet warmonger Obama, you are obviously a propagandist with an agenda to push and should be exposed at every turn. Your basicaly doing what these puppets in governments do for their secret pay masters, spreading fear using "terrorism" cause im pretty sure this invisible army of "terrorists" you speak off could pretty much just cross the Mexican/American border any time they like since pretty much forever, so wtf.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

You sound ridiculous.

This isn't some abstract debate about Government. I never said the Republicans are any better than Democrats. I said what Obama has done is lawless and it opens up terrorist to easily blend into society and get a work permit and a S.S. number. There's a lot of things they can do with forged documents, a work permit and a S.S. Number.

The sad part is, you sound like a blind shill for Obama.

Like I said, this is about Obama and his lawless actions. You just want to divert attention away from Obama by making this another silly abstract debate about Government in general.

I went after Bush and didn't support him on most things he did with the economy and I thought the Bush Administration lied to get us into Iraq.

BUT HERE'S A NEWSFLASH!!

This debate isn't about Bush or any abstract debates about Government.

IT'S ABOUT OBAMA'S LAWLESS ACTIONS.

So stop being a shill for Obama and actually debate the issue. If you want an abstract debate about Government in general then start a thread.

originally posted by: guitarplayer
a reply to: buster2010

Why didn't they pass immigration reform when they had both the houses and the presidency from 2008-2010?

well, they had the presidency from jan. 09, and a democratic congress from jan. 07 to jan. 10. the congress was dealing with something else in that time frame...this...en.wikipedia.org...
maybe the focus was on trying to clean up the financial system rather than work on immigration

since 1996, a span of 18 years, the house was controlled by republicans for 12 of them, in the senate, the republicans were in control for 10 of them....and history shows us that "the great depression" of 29' and "the great recession" of 08' happened when all 3 branches of government before as well as during (president, senate, house) were controlled by republicans.
here's the charts......
en.wikipedia.org.../File:Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Sena te.png

a reply to: neoholographic

You sound ridiculous

Obama's action isn't just lawless, it will open the door to terrorist

Righty ho then.

As I said you are scaremongering, this tired argument is used ad nausea in state media to instill a sense of paranoia in the population but to see that same sentiment spouted here by a poster is pretty surprising.

A terrorist organization should flood the border with people with fake documents and then they will be blended into society with S.S. Numbers and Work Permits

As apposed to just entering the country with the many tens of millions of illegals have already done over years?.

Please humour me and further substantiate how Obama's immigration policy will open the door to terrorist organizations. What are you basing this on exactly?.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

Again, it's easy to see why terrorist would want things like work permits and S.S. Numbers when you look at the 9/11 hijackers.

According to authorities, all of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally on a temporary visa, mostly tourist visas with entry permits for six months. Although four of them attended flight school in the United States, only one is known to have entered on an appropriate visa for such study, and one entered on an F-1 student visa. Besides the four pilots, all but one of the terrorists entered the United States only once and had been in the country for only three to five months before the attacks.

Now, these Visas are looked at more closely but now they can enter the Country illegally and get a S.S. Number and Work Permit by providing forged documents.

If you took the time to actually read what the hijackers were instructed to do, this would be obvious. They were instructed to blend in. What better way to blend in than to come out of the shadows, say you have been living in America for 5 years and get a work permit and a S.S. number?

So don't be a shill for Obama and try to disguise in some abstract rant about the Government.

This is about Obama's lawless actions which he rightly said time and time again that he can't do.

And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true. … We live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved.” (9/28/11)

If you support Obama then support Obama, don't try to couch it in an abstract argument about Government.