The Greatest Lie Ever Told

a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

the more we understand about our world, and our little corner of the galaxy, the less "necessary", and relevant religion becomes, because what was once attributed to deities, and magical powers, we now have actual proven, un-supernatral explanations for.

nowadays, religion is used as a crutch for ignorant people, who can't deal with their own...wait for it...cognitive dissonance. hell, the only reason religion still exists, is because of generations of parents indoctrinating their children....some of them are able to face reality when they get older, and some are not...these are the ones who indoctrinate THEIR children later, and keep the cycle going.

what started as a quest for knowledge, has resulted in a den of ignorance.

religion is bunk....but it gives the stubbornly ignorant who adhere to it, basically a kind of "retard strength", if you will....it reinforces their convictions, and emboldens them....they don't fear death, because they believe in silly ideas of heaven, life everlasting, and resurrection...they believe when they die, they'll see their dead loved ones again.....in the presence of modern understanding, and knowledge, religion is the greatest bulls**t story ever told...

when you have the kind of will, conviction, and special brand of "retard strength" that strong religious belief can give you, that makes it(religion) a threat to the power of kings....especially if the bible says that what the king is doing isn't what god wants...

that's why they targeted religion, that's why they stopped peasants from being able to read the bible, by translating it into latin....because thousands of peasants can make an army...and armies not under the control of the king, are a threat to the kingdom....

it's all about maintaining power....it has nothing to do with wanting to stop the truth...

as to the video..in the interest of fairness, i'll try to watch it, but it had damned well better be something more than "the earth is only 100 thousand years old, because the bible says it is", or i'm gonna come back here...and it won't be pretty...

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

a reply to: TechUnique

i'll get to this in a bit....i've watched the vid, and i'm, as we speak(as it were), crafting a post, documenting my thoughts, feelings, impressions, and conclusions, with regards to it.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

Also, on top of that, Jesus VISITED people in the form of the Holy Spirit. You know someone when they turn up as a spirit and change the course of your life. Trust me.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

Can you back up your claims?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

I'm devoid of integrity?

Definition of Integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Please point out where I am intentionally deceiving you or where I am exhibiting characteristics of someone without strong moral principles.

a reply to: TechUnique

Yeah, science is a religion.

A religion is a system of control. Science is a relatively newer and more refined system of control. Would you prefer to follow the more outdated and barbaric systems? Think of the religion of science as evolution at work.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

I'm devoid of integrity?

Definition of Integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Please point out where I am intentionally deceiving you or where I am exhibiting characteristics of someone without strong moral principles.

The video you posted is riddled with deception and falsehoods.

You deception in getting people to watch it without first revealing what it was about. In other words, your dishonesty.

Your unjustified grandiosity and insistence that you have strong moral principles. Do cult leaders and would-be cult leaders have strong moral principles?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

I'm devoid of integrity?

Definition of Integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Please point out where I am intentionally deceiving you or where I am exhibiting characteristics of someone without strong moral principles.

The video you posted is riddled with deception and falsehoods.

You deception in getting people to watch it without first revealing what it was about. In other words, your dishonesty.

Your unjustified grandiosity and insistence that you have strong moral principles. Do cult leaders and would-be cult leaders have strong moral principles?

1. Your opinion that the video is riddled with deception and falsehoods relies on the false pretense that everything you have learned is true. We are beginning to realize that this is not the case.
2. How is that me deceiving or being dishonest? Did I tell you something and then that turned out not to be true? Be more specific if you are going to call someone a liar. If you cannot refute what I just said then you are in fact a liar.
3.Elaborate heavily on this point. I don't insist that I have strong moral principles, someone accused me of not having strong moral principles with the words they were saying. I refuted this allegation which is fair enough. I didn't bolster it in anyone's face I was merely defending myself when someone claimed I lacked integrity. How is this is any way 'Unjustified grandiosity'?

If you can't address and answer my points above then your claims have absolutely no validity.

So please, by all means.

Edit to add - "Do cult leaders and would-be cult leaders have strong moral principles?" - Is that a rhetorical question? If not how am I in any way supposed to answer that for you?

Why should I?

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

I'm devoid of integrity?

Definition of Integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Please point out where I am intentionally deceiving you or where I am exhibiting characteristics of someone without strong moral principles.

The video you posted is riddled with deception and falsehoods.

You deception in getting people to watch it without first revealing what it was about. In other words, your dishonesty.

Your unjustified grandiosity and insistence that you have strong moral principles. Do cult leaders and would-be cult leaders have strong moral principles?

1. Your opinion that the video is riddled with deception and falsehoods relies on the false pretense that everything you have learned is true. We are beginning to realize that this is not the case.
2. How is that me deceiving or being dishonest? Did I tell you something and then that turned out not to be true? Be more specific if you are going to call someone a liar. If you cannot refute what I just said then you are in fact a liar.
3.Elaborate heavily on this point. I don't insist that I have strong moral principles, someone accused me of not having strong moral principles with the words they were saying. I refuted this allegation which is fair enough. I didn't bolster it in anyone's face I was merely defending myself when someone claimed I lacked integrity.

If you can't address and answer my points above then your claims have absolutely no validity.

So please, by all means.

You want to turn this forum into your pulpit. As you said in one of your posts, people should not follow the devil, they should listen to the followers of God. That would, of course, be you. You seek followers. I realize it has come as a surprise to you that we are not your congregation and will continue to throw rotten fruit as long as you insist on preaching. Preach away, the fruit is rotting and we want to get rid of it.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: TechUnique

religion was created by man, in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them.

Christianity wasn't created by the disciples in an attempt to rationalize, and understand the world around them. They and everyone else who wrote the bible did so because of the miracle that is Jesus Christ.

There are countless accounts of Jesus performing miracles. He rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost visited these people and commanded them to write the bible. Christianity is not pagan. The Christian church however, has been absolutely infested with pagan ritual.

The catholic church is beyond a cult. It is pure evil. The catholic religion is a FRAUD. Yet the pope is one of the most influential people on the planet.. people worship the pope.

That is the worshiping of false idols right before your eyes..

There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is not a single person wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living.

Definition of contemporaneous. "existing at or occurring in the same period of time."

Now lets look at that in context to what you said.

"There is not a single contemporaneous account of Jesus existing"
Except some of the people who wrote the bible walked with Jesus. I really don't understand your point at all. Historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real guy.

They may not believe that he is the son of God but they do believe that he existed, for the most part.

You are devoid of integrity. Not a single word was written about Jesus until two generations after he allegedly lived. Not one word attributed to him was written by anyone who lived when he allegedly lived. Not one word of the Bible was written by anyone who witnessed Jesus living.

I'm devoid of integrity?

Definition of Integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Please point out where I am intentionally deceiving you or where I am exhibiting characteristics of someone without strong moral principles.

The video you posted is riddled with deception and falsehoods.

You deception in getting people to watch it without first revealing what it was about. In other words, your dishonesty.

Your unjustified grandiosity and insistence that you have strong moral principles. Do cult leaders and would-be cult leaders have strong moral principles?

1. Your opinion that the video is riddled with deception and falsehoods relies on the false pretense that everything you have learned is true. We are beginning to realize that this is not the case.
2. How is that me deceiving or being dishonest? Did I tell you something and then that turned out not to be true? Be more specific if you are going to call someone a liar. If you cannot refute what I just said then you are in fact a liar.
3.Elaborate heavily on this point. I don't insist that I have strong moral principles, someone accused me of not having strong moral principles with the words they were saying. I refuted this allegation which is fair enough. I didn't bolster it in anyone's face I was merely defending myself when someone claimed I lacked integrity.

If you can't address and answer my points above then your claims have absolutely no validity.

So please, by all means.

You want to turn this forum into your pulpit. As you said in one of your posts, people should not follow the devil, they should listen to the followers of God. That would, of course, be you. You seek followers. I realize it has come as a surprise to you that we are not your congregation and will continue to throw rotten fruit as long as you insist on preaching. Preach away, the fruit is rotting and we want to get rid of it.

"You want to turn this forum into your pulpit." - No, I want to be able to express myself freely in the religion and theology forum of this site. Is that okay with you?
"As you said in one of your posts, people should not follow the devil, they should listen to the followers of God." - My point was that people should follow Jesus and the message of God, not the Devil.
"That would, of course, be you. You seek followers. I realize it has come as a surprise to you that we are not your congregation and will continue to throw rotten fruit as long as you insist on preaching. Preach away, the fruit is rotting and we want to get rid of it." - Actually I do not seek followers. My message is unpopular, if I wanted to be popular I would spread a popular message. Throw your rotten fruit at me all you want. I am not violating any terms and conditions of this site and I have refuted every one of your claims.

Why are you so intent on discrediting me even in the face of complete and utter failure?

ETA: Firstly, I am in no way surprised at the reaction I have received so I don't know where you got that idea from. Furthermore, I have the right to express myself. I am not being hateful or intentionally offensive at all, please point out with quotes if you disagree.

To summarize..

You don't have to listen to me. I am fully within my right to express myself as are you. If you can please point to any instance where I have committed any act of indecency whatsoever and I will apologize.

I am not trying to turn this forum into my pulpit or gain followers. I am just expressing myself freely in regards to what I believe to be the truth. I am doing this on a site which was founded for people to do just that freely and without hindrance. If you don't like it then leave the discussion. There is no alternative or hidden agenda here, I am simply trying to advise you about the times you are living in and my reasoning for that. I am only doing this because I feel obligated as a long time member of this site and as a follower of God.

I am not saying that you should follow me. I am saying that, in my opinion, it is definitely in your best interest to get to know Jesus Christ and where you stand with God before it is too late.

If you think I'm violating the terms and conditions of this site then state which one and back it up.

If your solution to not agreeing with the opinion of someone else is to 'throw rotten fruit at them' then I don't see why you are registered to an alternative discussion forum in the first place.

To be perfectly honest with you, whatever this 'Rotten fruit' is that you speak of.. it really isn't having any malicious or detrimental effect on me. Is that what your intent is? I have no idea why you would have malicious intent against me. Not that I am phased but could you address why that is?

It just seems unreasonable.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: TechUnique

I'll give you the point of man made religion, but that would be exactly what the elite would have created.
So you say that man created some religion but then turn around and say that it makes no sense for them to do it....

And tbh if we want to get technical, all religion is man made, as it is man that make up the beliefs.

Christianity is not man made it is the inspired word of God. People are forgetting. The bible isn't a made up fairytale it is an account of history.

An account of history written from the perspective of ordinary people who were commanded by God. These people who wrote the books of the Bible were not trying to profit from it. If you actually read the new testament and the teachings of Christ there is nothing about command and conquer in there.

That's where the evil comes in to play. The bible has been warped and used as the scapegoat for almost all of today's problems when the real problem stems from much of what our problem is today.

Evil people trying to take over the planet.

Now see you just fell into some of the ways of thinking that your posted video tells us to beware as scientists are tricking us with their assumptions.

Literally you just told me the bible has been warped and changed to become a scapegoat. Now your proof of this is rather omnipotent I'm guessing as you did not provide any. Your assumption goes on the fact that when you encountered the bible it had not been warped into something evil yet.

The video proclaims scientists have been assuming "how tall the candle was" in the little thought experiment comparing candles to dating techniques. You are also making quite an assumption when you say the word of god written by man has been unadulterated in any way since its time of writ.

Also as far as the evidence of neanderthal being a linking species, anyone with enough evolution research under their belt knows that the two separate species of neanderthal and homo sapian lived side by side and do not link with one another.

originally posted by: Poofmander

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: TechUnique

I'll give you the point of man made religion, but that would be exactly what the elite would have created.
So you say that man created some religion but then turn around and say that it makes no sense for them to do it....

And tbh if we want to get technical, all religion is man made, as it is man that make up the beliefs.

Christianity is not man made it is the inspired word of God. People are forgetting. The bible isn't a made up fairytale it is an account of history.

An account of history written from the perspective of ordinary people who were commanded by God. These people who wrote the books of the Bible were not trying to profit from it. If you actually read the new testament and the teachings of Christ there is nothing about command and conquer in there.

That's where the evil comes in to play. The bible has been warped and used as the scapegoat for almost all of today's problems when the real problem stems from much of what our problem is today.

Evil people trying to take over the planet.

Now see you just fell into some of the ways of thinking that your posted video tells us to beware as scientists are tricking us with their assumptions.

Literally you just told me the bible has been warped and changed to become a scapegoat. Now your proof of this is rather omnipotent I'm guessing as you did not provide any. Your assumption goes on the fact that when you encountered the bible it had not been warped into something evil yet.

The video proclaims scientists have been assuming "how tall the candle was" in the little thought experiment comparing candles to dating techniques. You are also making quite an assumption when you say the word of god written by man has been unadulterated in any way since its time of writ.

Also as far as the evidence of neanderthal being a linking species, anyone with enough evolution research under their belt knows that the two separate species of neanderthal and homo sapian lived side by side and do not link with one another.

What on earth are you talking about?

a reply to: TechUnique

so..having watched this video, i have come to the conclusion that it is total crap. it is thirty-six minutes and thirty-two seconds of my life that i will NEVER get back, and i am fairly confident that i will, on my deathbed, be cursing you, for having presented it for our collective review.

this video is wrong in so many ways, and on so many levels, it's hard to know where to even begin....though the beginning is usually a good place to start, it's difficult to resist the urge to just start with the most ridiculous parts, and sort of jump back and forth...however, in the interest of fairness, and thoroughness, i will start at the beginning, and work my way to the end.

now....stay with me here, because i'm just getting started...when i lay out everything wrong with, and in, this video...it will be plain to see that taking it at face value, and just believing it, isn't wise (-points to his intro- see what i did there?)


now then...we start off with over two minutes of rambling monologue about the NWO, and how important this video is, because it's a secret "they" don't want you to know about, before he even tells us what it's about...this monologue actually reminded me of one of those flash videos you see on survival sites, that wants to sell you a book or DVD, but it takes them 40 minutes of rambling about wtfever, and scaremongering, and telling you how important the thing they want to offer you is, because it's a secret "they" don't want you to know about, before they finally get to the sales pitch, and tell you wtf it is they're actually trying to sell you.

so after nearly three full minutes, he finally gets on with it, and says: "the greatest lie ever told, to all of us, is that evolution is scientific fact." ...woah, woah, woah, back the truck up....the THEORY of evolution is being touted as fact? when did that happen? they never told me it was fact when i was in school.....it's a theory, it's always been a theory...it's still a theory..nobody ever said it was fact...so right out of the gate, he's already dropping B.S......and sadly, the video is only three minutes in, so he's just getting started...

he then proceeds to assert that this theory is a religious belief, which is pretty laughable.....but he's not done yet...he then proceeds to start making claims that he will prove his laughable assertion "beyond a shadow of a doubt"...riiiight...we'll see about that..

now, it's worth noting, that throughout the course of the video, he displays a constant stream of mocking anti-evolution images, culled from the far corners of the internet, punctuated with images that promote creationism..so we know what his personal bias is...

so back to the video....his next step, at roughly three minutes and twenty seconds, is to imply that taking the text of the bible literally, isn't in any way crazy, and then briefly says that people are conditioned to think that people who take the bible literally, are nuts, which makes seeing the opposing view of evolution(creationism) impossible...and then he drops more B.S. when he says "for this reason, i will not be referencing the bible at all throughout this video"....last i checked, plastering pro-creationism images on the screen, and mentioning both god, and creationism, is kinda referencing the bible...so we're about four minutes in, and he's already straight up lied, twice.

so then he states that the purpose of the video is to prove that the theory of evolution isn't fact...wait, i thought the point of the video was that evolution is a religious belief...oh well, whatever, he's already rendered his vid pointless, by making it his mission to prove something we already knew....what a rube, this guy...we're now at four minutes and four seconds....someone should "404" this damn video...

so he goes on another multi-minute diatribe about the NWO, and how they wanna rule the world, and create a global government, and a global religion..wait a minute...didn't he assert that the NWO hates religion, hence the need for the replacement pseudo-religion of evolution?....oh...sorry..they only hate religion, because they hate HIS religion..ok, awesome, got ya....-rolls eyes- anyway, he goes on this rant, and covers ways the NWO would replace HIS religion with their pseudo religion...and one of the ways was war....

ok, so i don't know about any of you, but i've never seen a war fought over a scientific theory....though i HAVE seen plenty of examples of wars being fought by armies of fanatical lunatics, over which side's invisible friend is the bestest...religion has caused more death, destruction, pain, suffering, and misery than any scientific theory could ever hope to(though science is supposed to be about progress, so i can't imagine why, even if it were capable of such a thing, a theory would want to hope to cause damage...what a silly notion)

and at seven minutes and fifty-five seconds, his integrity goes right out the window, because it's at this point, he starts cherry-picking information. he cherry-picks definitions for the words "religion", "evolution", and "science", by way of only quoting the parts of the definition that substantiate his assertions, removing the definitions from context, or simply going through dictionaries, until he finds one that has a definition that works within the framework of his narrative...really? he's gonna flush his credibility down the toilet THIS early in the game? i would have expected him to at LEAST make it to the ten or twelve minute mark...i guess the shiny red flush button was just too enticing..

he can never recover from this, because his ENTIRE thesis is predicated upon these cherry-picked definitions...but this is ok, because you don't NEED facts, when you have SPACE MAGIC (magic is so much cooler than facts anyway, eh' gents?)

he asserts that evolution has never been observed, or been proven to even be possible....and he cites no source whatsoever, for this assertion..i guess we're just supposed to take his word for it, AMIRITE?

he makes claims of things "never, ever, not once" happening, without providing any kind of citation to substantiate the assertion.

later on in the video, he demonstrates how he doesn't know how radiocarbon dating works, or even what the actual half life of carbon-14 is.....claims the earth is less than one-hundred-thousand years old, based on his lack of understanding of how radiocarbon dating works, and suggests that dinosaurs and people lived together....his evidence for dinosaurs and people living together?: unsubstantiated eyewitness reports, etchings on pottery, cave paintings, and nessie....wait, NESSIE?!....oh, you gotta be frakin' kidding me....

then he says fossils can happen in a week, without presenting any kind of citation to substantiate the claim(noticing a pattern here?)

in addition to reciting from it's entry in wikipedia, he claims that "nebraska man" is still touted as a genuine link in the human evolutionary chain...which is a lie..it was found to be an extinct species of pig, and was retracted in the journal of science in 1927, having never gained mainstream scientific acceptance. this was right in the wikipedia article he read from, yet he curiously seems to have missed that bit...of course, if he'd mentioned it, he couldn't make the claim that evolutionists use fraud as the basis of the theory...cherry-picking again?


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then he brings up "piltdown man", which was discovered to be a hoax in 1953....being that it's a known hoax, it isn't presented as a llegitimate link in the human evolutionary chain either...

he then brings up "Lucy"...an example of a species classified as Australopithecus afarensis, and the various reasons why he thinks "lucy" is bulls**t, including the proximity, time-wise, of lucy's discovery, to the time when the discovering archeologist's funding was to run out....i'm guessing the implication is that it was faked....he completely disregards(by way of not even mentioning it) the fact that "lucy" wasn't the only example of Australopithecus afarensis to be found.

we then move on to the neanderthal, where he claims it has been PROVEN that the neanderthal can't possibly be a missing link...but there's so much information, that he can't even provide one or two bullet points of this proof....even though he was able to list multiple reasons why "nebraska man", "piltdown man", and "lucy" were bulls**t....and, once again, he provides no citation for his claim that his assertion is PROVEN...

he then says that the neanderthal may be a SUPERIOR version of us, and that we're the result of "de-evolution"....riiiiight...

...which allows him to segway into how evolution defies LAWS(scientific laws, made by man, i might add)...he envokes entropy, and a whole laundry list of other scientific "laws" that evolution violates....this list was handled quite nicely by mortisflash (who's post you seem to have ignored), so i'm not going to bother going over it again...you might wanna reply to his post, he was dead on.

moving right along: adaptation....he describes it, and says it's a much better explanation for changes, than evolution, completely disregarding that adaptation is the very basis of evolution...organisms change and adapt, to increase their ability to survive in their given environment...so evolution is ok, so long as we don't call it evolution? wow....stunning logic here...

and he keeps saying that evolution implies the creation of new genetic information...no it doesn't.

so we come down to the end of the video....thirty-four and one-half minutes...normally, you'd think that he saved citations and whatnot for the end...nope..no citations, instead, a link to a youtube PLAYLIST full of: "hours and hours of good information, debunking the evolution theory. and also, explaining what the creationist viewpoint is"....riiiight, "good information"..like the same "good information" in this video? hours of why the theory of evoluton is hokum, and the theory of something from nothing is absolute truth...naah, i think i'll pass.

so the video's over, and he utterly failed to "prove beyond a shadow of a doubt", either of the things he said he would....in case anyone forgot, he promised to prove that the scientific theory of evolution is a religious belief, and that evolution isn't fact (to be fair, he can't prove something we already know to be true, but he said he was gonna do it)..i guess he forgot about it, what with being so full of crap...

what a joke..

a reply to: Daedalus

Were you expecting me to respond on behalf of the guy who made the video?

a reply to: TechUnique

Sir mostly I'm trying to tell you that your way you f thinking and your modes of persuasion rely on the same kinds of assumptions that these scientists are making.

You are assuming that what you read in the bible is exactly what God said. You were not there when it was written. I'll go along and say, you didn't hear it with your own ears, or however God would have transmitted it to the writer. Now if you could tell me you can link up with God and download a copy of his words to your brain and write it word for word, then maybe you'd have a bit of evidence that some one of a higher power sometime said this stuff.
And your assuming that none of this has been perverted by your all pervasive devil character. With the amount of sin proclaimed to be in our midst for the word of god to be written as many times as it has over the thousands of years you expect that these texts can not and will not decieve you?

Your assumptions of what is fact are just as greatly unfounded as the THEORY of evolution.

We did not evolve from chimpanzees and chimpanzees will never evolve to be humans. We are apes ourselves, can you climb a tree? That means your ancestors could. Some of those apelike big chested upright walkers, they lost the ability to reach above their heads. Their huge strength made them formitable opponents, but we all must sleep. These strong beasts could not survive without the ability to climb away from danger below. These apes died, but the ones that looked similar yet could still climb trees survived allowing for their species to propagate. Smartness, strength, size, ability, none are what evolution is after, evolution allows for what works. What doesn't work dies and yes we have a loss of genetic information. But to say that no new genetic information is ever created, completely undermines the fact that no two people or even for that matter animals are alike, exception only to clones.

If you choose to tout this video as being fact you are taking away my individuality by saying my genetics have already happened in the past. If you can show me your unifying theory of all these things maybe I'll buy in but I don't see that coming from your good book.

originally posted by: TechUnique
I'm devoid of integrity?

Definition of Integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Please point out where I am intentionally deceiving you or where I am exhibiting characteristics of someone without strong moral principles.

It is dishonest to proclaim as fact, that which is not evident. It is equally dishonest to proclaim as false, that which you refuse to make any attempts at understanding. In addition, it is dishonest to yourself, to pick and choose what you are willing to read or believe based solely on how it makes you feel inside.

originally posted by: TechUnique
If you can't address and answer my points above then your claims have absolutely no validity.

You are not applying the same logic to yourself when information in support of evolution is presented to you in this thread. There are other examples of your lack of integrity elsewhere. I know you don't believe you are intentionally misleading people. However, you cannot be certain that you are not, since you refuse to understand the subject. Which is dishonest, as I stated above.

originally posted by: TechUnique
Were you expecting me to respond on behalf of the guy who made the video?

People are expecting you to respond, on behalf of yourself. Since you posted the video here, and made it sound like you support the claims it's making.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Just curious if you intend to follow up on some of the links, and suggestions to further research evolution, before you come to a final opinion on the subject?

originally posted by: TechUnique
No but I appreciate the effort and I'm sure there are plenty who will have viewed them and appreciated the content. You're very composed and non confrontational for someone who subscribes to evolution. Not that I'm trying to generalize all Darwinists and not that I'm trying to bunch together Atheists and Evolutionists although the two do often go hand in hand.

I recommend you read the bible. I know this will seem hypocritical because I didn't watch the videos you posted or read all of the links you presented so I'm sorry. I literally don't have time for any of that crap any more. I'm sorry to call it crap but that's what it is.

This post is not a personal attack, some things just needed to be pointed out.