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originally posted by: phinubian
a reply to: theantediluvian
Until someone can give a proper explanation for the Olmec heads which are clearly out of place amongst artifacts, all the rest is hypothesis as well, one might have to think Pangaea happened was intact not so long ago in terms of history or the distances between the continents was closer than than what exists now so when you put the great distances traveled in perspective, today according to Wikipedia, 1,600 mi (2,575 km) separate Africa and South America , Imagine even if 3-5000 years ago it was only half that or less, this would not be unthinkable....more re-examination of those theories would probably need to occur.
originally posted by: phinubian
a reply to: Hanslune
Er, no can you actually prove that through some of your own methodologies and research? or are you regurgitating what you have been told, most evidence supporting many of these theories are just that , theory.
At most what you are attempting to bring to bear with your numbers is pseudo science at best, there are no authentic proofs that explain why you have clearly African heads of massive size in South America that no one would dare say that people resembling them existed in parallel with the actual estimated age...that my friend is my argument, prove me wrong for my own speculation and curiosity about the subjects, don't make a feeble attempt to make yourself look smart or like an expert at my expense, it won't work.
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
Whats astounding is people have no issues believing the ancients could build huge cities and monoliths with such precision track vast amounts of astrological data, but couldn't accomplish crossing any large body of water on a boat?
Seriously, think about it. When coc aine was found in the mummy wrappings and the coca plant is indigenous to South America was all it took for me to know not believe ancients were making oceanic crossings, and not because opps caught in a current off course.
I would think if you landed in a strange land and the existing civilization could empathize with being lost at sea, it would create a trade partnership... as they would need to restock supplies, trade some bubbles they had but didnt need with a promise to return. Even if they didn't speak the same language, a game of charades and a stick in the sand still conveys the same meaning without use of words.
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Hanslune
No need to develop it people have crossed oceans on boats as small as 12 feet long alone, the ancient ships were just as sea worthy.
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Hanslune
My friends mom after her husband died sold everything, bought a 15 foot sail boat never sailed before had no navigation equipment aside from a sextant and made it to europe from the NC coast all by her lonesome just fine, sure it was a very intensive crash course in sailing and she has been sailing around the world now for over 15 years. So if it can be done by a middle aged woman with no sailing experience using the stars as a guide I'm pretty sure ancient professional sailors could do it too. Many friends and family thought she had a death wish and wanted to just kill herself in a quasi legal manner... well she didn't die and has become a very well seasoned sailor. Cheers.
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Hanslune
Enjoy floating on your cognitive dissonance, but it has holes my friend. She took on quite a bit of water on that first trip and almost sank a few times, if her hand operated bilge pump broke or was inferior... and she drowned family and friends would have started holding the silly belief that she was trying to kill herself as fact, when it really wasn't her intent. Might want to be careful holding such polarized views. Believe everything you'll be right half the time, the same can be said about believing nothing.
originally posted by: Hanslune
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
Whats astounding is people have no issues believing the ancients could build huge cities and monoliths with such precision track vast amounts of astrological data, but couldn't accomplish crossing any large body of water on a boat?
Very different technologies and if you have not access to deep ocean travel you tend NOT to develop it.
Seriously, think about it. When coc aine was found in the mummy wrappings and the coca plant is indigenous to South America was all it took for me to know not believe ancients were making oceanic crossings, and not because opps caught in a current off course.
Ah you are behind the times friend, no such thing occurred you need to read what happened after the initial reports
I would think if you landed in a strange land and the existing civilization could empathize with being lost at sea, it would create a trade partnership... as they would need to restock supplies, trade some bubbles they had but didnt need with a promise to return. Even if they didn't speak the same language, a game of charades and a stick in the sand still conveys the same meaning without use of words.
If they were not killed or taken prisoner. Strangers in many cultures were often seen as legitimate prey. If such a trade developed it would leave traces, such traces have not been found. Now some signs of long distance travel do exist, ie the peopling of Madagascar, etc.