MH17 Update: Missile That Took Down Airline ‘Undeniably’ Provided By Russian – (Unofficial)

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The one who knows more as secret services around the World from behind his computer.

And have you actually read the report from Bellingcat, because I honestly don't think you did. And it amazes me that you use RT as though they have any credibility left.

I also enjoy your use of a wiki page all the while complaining when someone else uses them as a source...I love the hypocrisy of the Putinista clan.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Of course my source has no links, i made it up as i went along...that was rather the entire point, i guess it was too subtle for you?

a reply to: MysterX

Of course my source has no links, i made it up as i went along...that was rather the entire point, i guess it was too subtle for you?

So why make it up, can't you find something of substance to add to the thread or are is that too hard ?

a reply to: WineWithIce5

EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE, that Russian separatists thought it was a military plane and took it down.

And that makes it okay?

That the Eastern Separatists will simply decide to lay down and DIE by the Kiev fascists and their Pentagon masters simply because of one mistake.

One mistake that took almost 300 innocent lives that were in no way connected to what is happening in Ukraine. SO if someone mistakenly kills your family that will be okay because it was just a mistake...Really?

Delusion and Reality, often clash, but reality always wins in the end.

And believing it's okay to just kill 300 civilians because it was a mistake is far from reality and well into delusional.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Xcathdra

Of course my source has no links, i made it up as i went along...that was rather the entire point, i guess it was too subtle for you?

Xcathdra seems to think the Ukraine/Novorossiya situation is some sort of debating game. Just shows his palpable inability to sense human suffering and show any resemblance of empathy.

I feel sorry for him. Really, ATS must do something about his extreme and incessant propaganda.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

One mistake that took almost 300 innocent lives that were in no way connected to what is happening in Ukraine. SO if someone mistakenly kills your family that will be okay because it was just a mistake...Really?

You have just explained with perfect reason why the people of Novorossiya should fight with every ounce of their souls against the Kiev regime that has slaughtered more than 4000 Donbass civilians.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Xcathdra

Of course my source has no links, i made it up as i went along...that was rather the entire point, i guess it was too subtle for you?

All it did was demonstrate what I have been saying all along.

instead of refuting facts you guys do everything you can to distract and launch personal attacks. You bury facts you cant refute under pages of useless posts, like the one you just made, in hopes it will distract people from your lack of facts.

Now how about you actually read my op and the source info and go from there.

a reply to: Blister

and once again you launch personal attacks with baseless accusations you cant support instead of refuting the info posted.

Like I said if you cant remain on topic please go find another thread to derail.

a reply to: Xcathdra
You admit to hating President Putin, and your incessant anti-Russia postings to ATS seem to advocate the promotion of such hate.

I draw your attention to the Terms and Conditions of ATS:

16) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, libelous, defamatory, hateful, intolerant, bigoted and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Your continuous anti-Russia and anti-President Putin postings constitute the promotion of hate. Please stop these postings they are offensive.

How are we supposed to react to someone who supports a government commonly associated with fascist extremism, quotes Nazi slogans, and promotes hate? Enter into discourse with you and thereby legitimize your extreme views? No.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Blister

and once again you launch personal attacks with baseless accusations you cant support instead of refuting the info posted.

Like I said if you cant remain on topic please go find another thread to derail.

I think the issue is your OP's get refuted on a daily basis. Putting (unofficial) doesn't absolve you of pushing lies as truth. Therefore the hostility towards the OP is understandable when you consider how frustrated one can become from having to trudge through a constant sea of #.

The evidence here is from Social networking, blogs and random crap that has no basis in reality. I posted a thread around the time of the incident where sources stated Putin was flying close to the area during the shoot down making it a possible assassination attempt. Of course the evidence was thin but existent and yet within minutes it was in a HOAX bin. It was certainly a better argument than this regurgitated nonsense.

a reply to: Rosinitiate
I would 100% support the putting this thread in HOAX bin. Seems like the right place for it.

originally posted by: Blister
a reply to: Rosinitiate
I would 100% support the putting this thread in HOAX bin. Seems like the right place for it.

I wouldn't actually. The cynic in me says LOL but it would probably be at home in Skunkworks. IMO.

a reply to: Blister

Trying to use the T and C in a manner that goes against the intent of what you quoted in an effort to silence a side of the equation you dont like does not work.

If you have an issue with my views then take it up with management.

My dislike for Putin and the position he has placed Russians in is not a violation of the T and C.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

The fallacy in your argument is they dont get refuted.

Refuting my post would require a person to actually link to information that contradicts what was posted. Instead I get called names and accused of being something im not.

Simply coming into a thread you dont like and launching personal attacks is not refuting the post.

I pointed out the unofficial nature and explained in the OP of what I was wanting out of this thread. Its apparent people have either failed to read / understand what im looking for or just wanted to derail something they cant refute.

a reply to: Rosinitiate
I would understand.

The thing is, anyone could trawl the internet for any sort of story from any and all sources, collate them, add in one's own viewpoint, publish to Wordpress and then create a thread here, linking to that published material as if it has some credibility.

That seems to be the equivalent to the OP and it is an outrageous waste of our time and energy to either debunk and/or otherwise deal with.

When Xcathdra does this every second or third day, often with long paragraphs of text and links (seemingly pre-prepared), the task of handling the post becomes difficult.

Placing such a hybrid (of MSM and blog and social media) news source into Skunkworks may seem correct given the dubious nature of the OP, but given the # nature of the source and primary source material combined with the attempt to apportion credibility to an "unofficial" news source I feel it should be treated simply as a pure HOAX - an attempt by Xcathdra to pass-off an unofficial source as credible and worthy of discussion.

Seems to me to be a waste of our time.

originally posted by: Blister
a reply to: Rosinitiate
I would 100% support the putting this thread in HOAX bin. Seems like the right place for it.

The by all means refute the op with facts instead of bitching about it.

a reply to: Blister

Then refute the information or stop bitching.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Blister


My dislike for Putin and the position he has placed Russians in is not a violation of the T and C.

So, you think that you promoting hatred toward Mr Putin gives you a free pass? That it is okay to preach hate toward some people?

To me that is a serious thing. If you do feel that way, and that is the motive for your anti-Russia and anti-Putin posts (as you seem to admit) then yes, it is a T&C violation.

I big one, IMHO.

a reply to: Blister

There is a difference in promoting hatred and me posting my opinion of Putin while posting information to support my position. On the flip side you are ignoring the posters who hate Kiev and who constantly accuse them of being Nazis that should be killed. Even when the facts show there are no Nazis left in the Ukraine government. The Russian Duma on the other hand has 55+ Neo Nazi nationalists in its ranks. Is there any reason you are not going after those who "promote hatred" of the "Kiev Fascist Junta"?

To try and silence me because you dont agree with my position / view of Putin is emblematic of what Putin is doing. Bully in order to force submission resulting in just one side of the story.

Ironic.

a reply to: MysterX

You do know Putin lied on the energy deal dont you?? China and Russia are still in negotiations basically China is trying to back out and due to the fact nothing was signed obligating them looks like Putin may have a problem. See he told his negotiators they cant come back without a deal he needed it. Unfortunately the Chinese appear to not have been donr nrgotiatiating since they started new talks and now dont seem to hot on the idea. Think China relizes its getting better offers from Saudis. So now it went from a deal to a financial loan which China expects to be paid back with interest, Either the translators really screwed up or putin lied.