Julia wants referendum on NATO accession simultaneously with parliamentary elections on Oct 26

Julia wants referendum on NATO accession simultaneously with parliamentary elections on Oct 26

Julia wants referendum on NATO accession simultaneously with parliamentary elections on Oct 26

"I have all the arguments to convince the Ukrainian president of the need to immediately begin the process of holding a national referendum on Ukraine's accession to NATO," she told journalists in Kyiv on Wednesday.

An Ukrankian mad house and furthermore those 3.3 mln votes of Ukrainians are from western ukraine.

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Julia wants referendum on NATO accession simultaneously with parliamentary elections on Oct 26

Julia wants referendum on NATO accession simultaneously with parliamentary elections on Oct 26

"I have all the arguments to convince the Ukrainian president of the need to immediately begin the process of holding a national referendum on Ukraine's accession to NATO," she told journalists in Kyiv on Wednesday.

An Ukrankian mad house and furthermore those 3.3 mln votes of Ukrainians are from western ukraine.

A madhouse? Would you prefer unilateral action like those that occurred in Crimea / South / East Ukraine by pro russian / russians?

Ironic you make that comment being you had no issues accepting the votes in E / S Ukraine / Crimea. In this case at least the people asked are Ukrainian citizens. The same cant be said of the votes in Crimea / East / South.

Of course nothing is official unless the Ukraine pres goes for it.

I say bring em into NATO if thats what the people of Ukraine want.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Oh what a surprise

A madhouse? Would you prefer unilateral action like those that occurred in Crimea / South / East Ukraine by pro russian / russians?

The Truth is the people in Crimea wanted Independence. But its not surprising with closed mindset like yours its no surprising why you immediately support America's version of the news.

Reminds me of how some here arent buying into the Sweden story that Russia had send out a submarine into Sweden's waters.

Its basically the same with the western news outlets and how they were reporting this. Its not surprising why American mainstream news outlets are being distressed by Americans in General.

I say bring em into NATO if thats what the people of Westren Ukraine wants.

Indeed lets Bring more NATO and that would bring NATO closer to Russia i wonder what would you say when NATO's closer to Russia?

Operation American Democracy For Russia?

3.3 Million is such a low number comparing that to Ukraine's population of 45.49 million. The largest thus far in eastern Europe.

It shows that those in favor of being members with NATO are from western ukraine and the Muslim Tatars. Which they count half of Ukraine's population.

Ironic you make that comment being you had no issues accepting the votes in E / S Ukraine / Crimea. In this case at least the people asked are Ukrainian citizens. The same cant be said of the votes in Crimea / East / South.

In this case at least the people asked are Ukrainian citizens

Your forgetting to mention they are western Ukrainians. Whom were once close to the fascists in ww2 and welcomed the ideology of fascism.

But hey dont let the facts hit you on the ground.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

The Truth is the people in Crimea wanted Independence.

But they didn't get independence, they got seized by Russia.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

The Truth is the people in Crimea wanted Independence.

But they didn't get independence, they got seized by Russia.

Oh and Kosovo got independence somehow? no they didn't they were sized by Albania and America.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Oh and Kosovo got independence somehow? no they didn't they were sized by Albania and America.

Do they speak English and fly the American flag the way Crimea speaks Russian and flies the Russian flag?

a reply to: DJW001

Do they speak English and fly the American flag

American flags are flown. And celebrated.
English is preferred in Kosovo.




I wonder how would you explain the statues of both Bill Clinton and Tony Blair in Kosovo and one of GW Bush in Albania?

Do you see a Giant golden statue of Putin in Crimea?

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: Xcathdra



Oh what a surprise

A madhouse? Would you prefer unilateral action like those that occurred in Crimea / South / East Ukraine by pro russian / russians?

The Truth is the people in Crimea wanted Independence. But its not surprising with closed mindset like yours its no surprising why you immediately support America's version of the news.

Still cannot beleive that you yourselkf beleive this to be true when there is such unsurmountable evidence of the opposite being the case.

Russia invaded Crimea illegally, under cover with their "Green masked men".

The referrendum held was illegal with no international observers and there was evidence pre-filled "Yes" votes were shipped in for the refferendum.

Ukrainian and Tatar citizens didnt take part in the so called refferendum.


Crimea didnt formally call for independance referendum, that was all Russian spin and propaganda.

Ukrainians did the right thing and stood their ground peacefully while Russia invaded......waiting from assistance from the rest of the world community which didnt happen.


Uncanny similarity with the actions of Hitler in WW2 and the semi-autonomous province of Sudentland.......


Re: The Putin statue in Crimea.....if it gets erected, it will get removed the very same way all the lenin statues have been removed in Ukraine and toppled.

The sooner Ukraine joins NATO the better......Russia is on a downward slope economically and its a matter of time before Putin will be thrown out by his own people, and Russia opens up to the West aswell....to the benefit, finally, of the Russian people.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Do you see a Giant golden statue of Putin in Crimea?

Do you see a giant golden statue of Clinton in Kosovo? Let's make a deal: I bet there will be a statute of Putin in Crimea before there is a statue of Bill Clinton anywhere in the former Yugoslavian states. Loser agrees never to post on ATS again. Deal?

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Crimea didnt formally call for independance referendum, that was all Russian spin and propaganda.

Crimea did formally call for independance referendum.


"that was all Russian spin and propaganda"

Right this was all Russian spin and propaganda according to western news media.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Your comical with your last line.

The sooner Ukraine joins NATO the better......Russia is on a downward slope economically and its a matter of time before Putin will be thrown out by his own people, and Russia opens up to the West aswell....to the benefit, finally, of the Russian people.

Russia opens up to the West aswell....to the benefit

Indeed such great benefits of being in with the west even if it meant by going to war agaisnt the middle east or supporting the Gulf regime states, those are such great benefits.

its a matter of time before Putin will be thrown out by his own people
Are you a psychic to now?

The sooner Ukraine joins NATO the better

Indeed lets also not forget the taxs and how much Europe is wasting on NATO alone its not surprising why there is an Economic crisis.

Not only because of the military taxes but of the Euporean Union.

NATO needs to start a war or heavy conflict with Russia else its finances will get stopped and this is why they are blood thirsty and are little more than a puppet of the USA who gives out the orders.

a reply to: Xcathdra

"A madhouse? Would you prefer unilateral action like those that occurred in Crimea / South / East Ukraine by pro russian / russians? "

No I think we should shoot protestors on our own side and get nazi thugs to burn about a hundred people alive and to use cluster bombs in citys and to then execute people and put them in mass graves and shoot down passing flgihts like mh17.

Tell you man, it pays well, like $5bn that the USA gave us to kill commies under the beds

"I say bring em into NATO if thats what the people of Ukraine want."

Yes we need to install nukes on the border with Russia and to ban people from voting else they might do like the Crimera did with only the death of one person during the vote to stay with Russia and this is just what will happen in East Ukraine if we let em vote.

Like you i love democracy where you can vote for the left and have bankers/military contractors in control or vote for the right and get the same because at least you know where you are and we just need to export this thinking to the Ukraine to have true world peace.

Tip: Use blue carpet on the floor because its a good contrast of red in case you have reds under the beds

Just like almost all Soviet vassal states, the majority of the people in Ukraine want to link with Western Europe and the West in general, in preference to their old oppressors. With an antagonistic and mischievous Russia on their doorstep this should not be a surprise. Ukraine are just following everyone who has gone before.

The fly in the ointment from Ukraine is the minority "Russian speakers" who want to remain separate from their fellow countrymen by seeking loyalty with Russia, as if that was not possible anyway. You can have close ties with both camps.

REgards

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Ukrainian and Tatar citizens didnt take part in the so called refferendum.

I find this part from you rather hilarious if you had known a little more on the Ukrankian history you would know more but since your getting news from Kiev post and western news outlets i am not surprised by your reply.


Russia is on a downward slope economically
Nope, people like you have being predicting the fall of the Russian economy since the 90s even long before Putin came into office.






Russia opens up to the West aswell....to the benefit, finally, of the Russian people.

You really made me laugh with that statement West and benefits care to name those benefits?

a reply to: paraphi

With an antagonistic and mischievous Russia on their doorstep this should not be a surprise. Ukraine are just following everyone who has gone before.

I have to disagree with you on there, Russia is not the one whom has being antagonistic and mischievous its NATO which has being expanding further into east.

Are you going to claim that what NATO has being doing has being all for the security because of EVIL Russia and China?

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

If anything i am quite sure an War with Russia is something you would agree upon.

No doubt shirtfront tony abbott would be surely in favor of it as well.

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Are you going to claim that what NATO has being doing has being all for the security because of EVIL Russia and China?

No, because that would be silly.

However, the states previously under the heel of the Soviet Union have sought to become integrated into the EU and aligned to NATO. They have not been cajoled or forced. In deed, the changes some ex Soviet vassals have made to join the EU have been quite significant and have needed support of their populations through democratic processes.

Many eastern European nations, such as Latvia and Poland seem quite relieved that they are now part of NATO and the EU and can therefore rely and expect support against belligerent neighbours.

Just because Russia cannot force its neighbours to act as "buffers" anymore does not mean it is anyone's problem but Russia's.

Russia needs to move into the 21st century.

Regards

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Ukrainian and Tatar citizens didnt take part in the so called refferendum.

I find this part from you rather hilarious if you had known a little more on the Ukrankian history you would know more but since your getting news from Kiev post and western news outlets i am not surprised by your reply.

You keep claiming that you know something relevant about Ukrainian history that no-one else does, but you never explain what that is. What aspect of Ukrainian history explains why Tatars and Ukrainian speaking people would want to boycott Putin's sham referendum? Why do you consider this to be so amusing?

Russia is on a downward slope economically

Nope, people like you have being predicting the fall of the Russian economy since the 90s even long before Putin came into office.

Do you actually follow the Western media you condemn? It had always been predicted that the Russian economy would improve after the collapse of Communism and, after a brief period of chaos while it re-oriented itself, it did. These improvements had nothing to do with Putin's "leadership," but rather the influx of foreign investment capital and the management of capital by the private sector.

As for the Russian economy being on a downward spiral, the figures speak for themselves. When Putin violated the new constitution by grabbing a third term as President, the recently created class of well to do urban professionals lost faith in Russia's future. Many protested, many fled the country. Foreign investment capital began to dry up over fears that the tenuous rule of law was disappearing. International partnerships began to fray. Putin seized assets that had been privatized earlier. This chart is all you need to see:



Source.

Russia opens up to the West aswell....to the benefit, finally, of the Russian people.

You really made me laugh with that statement West and benefits care to name those benefits?

1. Renewed foreign investment.
2. International co-operation in areas of mutual self-interest, eg; counter-terrorism.
3. Liberalized trade regime, allowing more Russian exports.
4. Broader markets for Russian cultural products, eg; music and cinema.
5. Increased tourism.
6. Decreased tolerance of government corruption as international norms become expected.
7. Increasing demand for government transparency.

Your turn: please explain the benefits of further isolation.

Although It's in the NATO doctrine not to be involved in countries with internal instability/conflict
NATO is known to change its own rules illegally or dubious at best to fulfill it's imperialistic agenda
since Kosovo, NATO has decided it is within their right to overstep art 5 (even though the UN charter speaks out against such interpretation) to include even the defence of their common interests and values.

Imo NATO ( having no clear adversary since the Warsaw pact )has transformed into an offensive institution and should be disbanded in defence of us all.
The actions within Ukraine are local and so far contained and should be treated as such.

A2H

originally posted by: all2human
Although It's in the NATO doctrine not to be involved in countries with internal instability/conflict
NATO is known to change its own rules illegally or dubious at best to fulfill it's imperialistic agenda
since Kosovo, NATO has decided it is within their right to overstep art 5 (even though the UN charter speaks out against such interpretation) to include even the defence of their common interests and values.

Imo NATO ( having no clear adversary since the Warsaw pact )has transformed into an offensive institution and should be disbanded in defence of us all.
The actions within Ukraine are local and so far contained and should be treated as such.

A2H

It is not local when the power next store takes your territory by force. Of course if Russia thought Crimea really wanted to be a part of Russia they could have had a vote like in Scotland. Lots of open talk, both side heard, troops pulled out of Crimea proper, debates etc. Of course the way things are going for the Russian they most likely wish they had never made this move to begin with.