posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 09:30 PM
Thanks for managing to work three topics into one video. It was very broad, pretty much all encompassing. Blending the topics went well.
First topic, police-civilian relations in America. Garth was a good interview. Did you notice that he suggested that a frightened citizen should go
to his police station, sit down with the Chief or senior management and talk about the problem? Did you also notice that he suggested going to a town
council meeting if the police weren't helpful? And finally, did you notice how you and the posters are suggesting the police have to make the first
I'd like to hear what move they're supposed to make. If you can come up with one that isn't insane, that might be an easy start. But did you also
notice how Garth mentioned that Departments need more money for necessary training? Are you on board with that?
Second topic, the Hammond police force in general. How could a nice little piece of small town America have such problems? Going up I-90, the center
of downtown Chicago is 23 miles away. Small town America, hah! Nowhere near the truth. The violent recruiting video said at the end "Hostage
Rescue Team." You want them to be polite to the average citizen on the street? They never deal with the average citizen on the street. Yes, I want
them to know how to shoot a rifle.
Third topic, this particular traffic stop. Here, I am most disappointed. You quoted from the thread involving this incident, so did SkepticOverlord,
so I assume you both read it.
The claim was made in the thread that the officers did nothing illegal. Supreme Court cases were cited, so was Indiana law. The piece of Indiana law
you mentioned doesn't apply in this case. There was nothing presented that correctly said that anything the officers did was illegal. Let me
repeat, the officers acted within the law. The officers, based on the evidence we have available, were perfectly within their rights. Nothing
presented in your video changes that.
Now, did they do everything in the most polite manner possible? Who knows? This was video taped by the kid. Is it coincidence that the clip we see
starts at least 15 minutes after the original stop? What happened before that? Certainly the kid was taping that as well. But this level of anger
at the police isn't because they didn't make the stop in the most polite manner.
You are quite correct in saying the car, driver, and passengers can't be inspected, searched, or detained just because of a seat belt violation.
Please remember that nobody there was inspected, searched or detained just because of a seat belt violation, so why bother mentioning it?
Despite your stated desire to be rational in discussing the situation, we were given emotional images and misleading legal information.
If you want to discuss this, you can look at thread and see the discussion, or you can ask me about it.
(Oh, and yes, I have my admission to the Bar certificate hanging on the wall. I can read a statute.)