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In the eyes of H.H Pope Francis I and in the ones of Vladimir Putin, WWIII has already began

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posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 02:11 PM
The Peace of God to all that belong to the light
Dear Readers,

The last 5 months of extreme international tension seem to be the preamble of a major disturbance of the world peace and in the eyes of some extremely important protagonist figures of our time it is clear that we are already fighting WWIII.

check these interesting quotes, just to see that this is not an exaggerated statement.

What do you think on them?:

September 13th 2014, REDIPUGLIA Italy (Reuters) - Pope Francis said on Saturday the spate of conflicts around the globe today were effectively a "piecemeal" Third World War, condemning the arms trade and "plotters of terrorism" sowing death and destruction.

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Sueddeutsche Zeitung, September 18th 2014,

Vladimir Putin allegedly had a private meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso. During the course of their discussion, Putin essentially threatened World War 3.

“If I wanted, in two days I could have Russian troops not only in Kiev, but also in Riga, Vilnius, Tallinn, Warsaw and Bucharest.”

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Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness
edit on 9/19/2014 by The angel of light because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 02:20 PM
It's only a matter of time till a big event makes it an official world war.

My guess would be something happening against the US. S + F

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 02:22 PM
a reply to: The angel of light

This was posted earlier in the week here:

It was my topic on this past Wednesday's show, here's what I had to say about the Pope's statement regarding World War III:

Pope Francis is at it again, lending his voice to one of the great moral issues of our time, that of war. Recently, the Pope reiterated the position of the Catholic Church, which is that there are some just wars, particularly those that prevent the wholesale slaughter of innocents, as may well be needed in the Middle East to fight the scourge that is the Islamic State. But he's moved beyond a call for justice with a new observation, documented in a thread by Member New Holographic, “Pope says world's many conflicts amount to piecemeal World War Three” and posted to the Breaking Alternative News forum.

Last Saturday, during a Mass at Italy's largest war memorial, paying tribute to 100,000 Italians who died in World War 1, Pope Francis once again condemned war in no uncertain terms.

"War is madness," he said, "Even today, after the second failure of another world war, perhaps one can speak of a third war, one fought piecemeal, with crimes, massacres, destruction."

"War is irrational; its only plan is to bring destruction: it seeks to grow by destroying," he said. "Greed, intolerance, the lust for power. These motives underlie the decision to go to war and they are too often justified by an ideology ...,"

Now, as to his comments that the current state of conflict in the world may be tantamount to a third World War, I think it's a bit of an overstatement. Both World War 1 and 2 can be traced back to a single event, the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria by Yugoslavian nationalists for World War 1, and the invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany for World War 2, these events triggering escalation as the world's predominant economic powers took sides and began all out war. There were earlier conflicts that led up to the declaration of war, such as the invasion of China, Russia and the Korean Peninsula by Japan, but there was no mistaking the real deal when it started.

These are the current major conflicts in the world today:

The Mexican Drug War - 12,000 deaths in 2013
Syrian Civil War - 73,000 deaths in 2013
Sudanese Civil War - 10,000 deaths in 2013
Iraq Insurgency - 10,000 deaths in 2013

Additionally, there are nine current lessor conflicts, all of which have less than 10,000 fatalities a year. These are the Israeli-Gaza conflict, the Afghan Civil War, Somalian Civil War, Islamic Insurgency in Nigeria, the War in Northwest Pakistan, ongoing fighting in Egypt, Libya and the Central African Republic, and the War in Ukraine.

In looking at this list, two things are pretty obvious. First, most of them regard civil unrest, not regional conflict between nations. Apart from Israel and Gaza, and to the extent that Russia is involved in the Ukrainian Civil War, none of these is likely to result in the various nations of the world taking sides and escalating conflict. The second is the relatively low level of involvement by world powers apart from, of course, the United States, which is embroiled in Iraq, Afghanistan and, to a lessor degree, Mexico and Libya. Russia has its hands in Ukraine and Syria, but the other European powers are mostly silent, apart from happily supplying weapons to conflicted states.

It is difficult to dismiss a pending world conflict, because we saw in 1914 and 1939 how easily one could be set off. There are still situations that could trigger escalation -- the invasion of South Korea by the unstable North, for example, could quickly result in global war, with Russia and China on one side, the US and Japan, along with many European nations, on the other. But, for now, it does not appear that things are inevitable.

So what's the real story? Is the Pope just casting out some doom porn of his own? I don't think so, because I don't think that his perception is off, just his grasp of the facts of global conflict as I have just laid out. In reality, I think that our concern about the stability of world peace is founded on two things. First, my generation, the tailing off of the baby boomers into Generation X, had a very long stretch of peace, from the end of Vietnam in 1975 through 2001. The first Persian Gulf war was something of a joke, our involvement in the Yugoslavian civil conflict was not well publicized, and a variety of minor incidents, such as in Libya and Somalia, were also largely unnoticed, apart from those who were actually involved.

But since 2001, it has been nothing BUT United States involvement in conflict, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and the Koreas, so we've gone from a period where there didn't seem to be much going on, to a period where the evening news covers war almost every night. And that's the second reason -- during these past 13 years, and in particular, in the years of the Arab Spring, the media has been going out of its way to publicize these conflicts, leading one to the inevitable feeling of dread when the next ISIS beheading video is announced, or when the President orders airstrikes on terrorists in Syria and Iraq. We've become a nation, if not world, that is always in a state of war, even when that conflict isn't super significant. Will this ever end? One would hope so, but it seems less and less likely as time goes on -- we're becoming Orwell's 1984 vision, a country always at war with someone, even when we can't necessarily articulate with who and for what reason.

During World War 1, over 16 million military and civilians were killed, and in World War 2, the number topped 73 million. In 2013, perhaps 200,000 people were killed in ongoing wars. Now, I agree with the Pope on this point -- one person dying in war is too many, but despite the seeming permanency of military conflict around the world, I don't think that we are even remotely close to being in a state of world war.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 02:23 PM
I'm still putting my money on Pope Franz Ferdinand.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 02:41 PM
I'm not really sure how it could be considered that we're NOT in another world war.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 03:23 PM
these posts should go straight to skunkworks. you have been making these ridiculous and doom strewn predictions for a long time now and none of them are ever right.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 04:09 PM
I guess world that a world war is inevitable. We can't leave all those nukes sitting around, that would be such a waste.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 04:14 PM

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
It's only a matter of time till a big event makes it an official world war.

My guess would be something happening against the US. S + F

So only if it involves the U.S. that makes it a world war? How egotistical are we?

I guess if you want to take the wording verbatim and look at the history books, you're right. No war qualifies as a "world war" until the U.S. gets involved. We are the most important people on the planet after all.

I just think it's funny that no one has said anything about world War 3 currently being fought until the leader of the Catholic Church said so. I guess if a religious leader says it is so, then it is so. War is gospel I guess.

Putin I can understand. He seems to have his panties all in a bunch these days. Actually, I believe Putin more than that other guy because he seems to be in a rogue mood lately. He's snubbing his nose at the rest of world because he knows they will politicize everything to the point where nothing gets done......except sanctions. He spits on those because he lets China sneak in through the back door. Meanwhile, his troops keep taking "vacations" in various parts of Eastern Europe.

We're not in World War 3. We're in the midst of an eastern hemisphere gun-slinging clusterf**k with no one knowing why one is shooting at another.

It's a comedy of errors, a Laurel and Hardy gag reel, from where I sit.
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posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 04:17 PM

originally posted by: Kali74
I'm not really sure how it could be considered that we're NOT in another world war.

Look up ^

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 04:33 PM
a reply to: DeepImpactX

We didn't get hurt in WWI or WWII even after we officially signed on. All the major geopolitical battlegrounds are alight with conflict except Asia (where more than half of Chinese citizens say war with Japan is inevitable)

Open your mind a bit. If WW3 started the government wouldn't tell us. We'd panic, which is what they're preparing for.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 04:37 PM
a reply to: DeepImpactX

It's not because of anything anyone said nor because we're involved, just the number of countries engaged.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 05:27 PM

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: DeepImpactX

We didn't get hurt in WWI or WWII even after we officially signed on. All the major geopolitical battlegrounds are alight with conflict except Asia (where more than half of Chinese citizens say war with Japan is inevitable)

Open your mind a bit. If WW3 started the government wouldn't tell us. We'd panic, which is what they're preparing for.

Sorry, but none of that made any sense to me.

Open my mind? Only when you put the numbers of American deaths aside the total number of deaths from all countries during those 2 conflicts, can you even start to say we "weren't hurt". 500,000 may seem like a paltry number to you, but it's still 500,000 deaths.

And I don't know about you, but I don't turn to my government for information concerning world affairs. I'll go elsewhere where the bias isn't so great and the spin isn't so tight.

Most people wouldn't panic either. They would just sit back and feel OK that their government has their backs. With a knife at the ready.

I'll put my trust in the people of this world before the governments.

And Kali, the main reason I don't see this as WW3 is because there really isn't that many countries involved when you stack them up against the countries involved in 1 and 2. And of those involved, I really don't see them as being committed to the theory that ISIS is a threat. I see them as being strong armed into conflict by the U.S. Govt./Military under the promise of yanking any and all aid we give them.

This isn't WW3. This is the U.S. using scare tactics against their own citizens and mafia type tactics against other countries to "see things our way". The other 2 wars were different. They were started in their own regions of the world without us manufacturing threats to get the ball rolling. If we just left everyone well enough alone there wouldn't be backyard fist fights all around the neighborhood with the parents calling it "war.

Think about it.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 05:28 PM
a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

Well let me reply the Interesting comment of Yeahkeepwatchingme,

As far as I have researched, either WWI And WWII were not named in that way until long time after they have already began actually.

WWI was called for about 2 years or so the Great War or just the European War.

Now, although there was no generalized conflict in the Pacific on that war, actually the were regional conflicts around the Pacific basin that were linked in some way to it, as for instance,

The Japanese Annexation of Korea in 1910,

The Mexican revolutions of 1910 and 1914, in which it is not a secret there were European and American interests in behind the support of
each of the sides in fight.

As well also as the Russian Revolution that started in 1917, but was followed by a long and cruel civil war that last until 1921, also with clear intervention of different countries supporting one or other side.

Now, It was the entering of America in the war against the Central powers what forced the change of the name in to World war.

WWII even was not considered as just one global war until many years after it began. It is really difficult even to determine a precise beginning of hostilities.

With respect to the European scenario the War was initially called in different ways after three important events:

The Spanish Civil war in between The Republic and a military rebellion leaded by General Francisco Franco that began in July 1936 in Morocco, where both sides were supported by either the western allies and the USSR behind the Republican side or the Axis powers supporting the Nationalist one respectively.

The Partition of Czechoslovakia in 1938, in between Germany, Hungary, and Poland,

This invasion of Czech territory to be taken by different neighbor nations was done with the tolerance of the western powers, and even as part of a supposed legally international agreement, signed in the Conference of Munich.

The third European issue was called Poland invasion, Poland Campaign, 1939 defensive war and by the Germans was called Case White. On September of 1939 when The German and Soviet armies invaded Poland followed by a contingent of The Slovak republic.

Now, the War in the Pacific, that was not linked at all for many years with the actions in Europe, began even before with two conflicts:

The Japanese Invasion of Manchuria in 1931, to support the secession of that territory from China, and that establish a protectorate on that region,

and followed by the Second Sino-Japanese war started in 1937.

The war started to be called really as WWII just after two events:

When Hitler launched the Barbarossa Case operation against the USSR in June of 1941, that was an invasion of its territory by a league of axis forces integrated by German, Italian, Romanian, Croatian, Slovakian, Hungarian, Finish soldiers.

Finally also after the Japanese preventive and surprising attack on Pearl Harbor in August of that same year.

So, the similarities of all those regional conflicts that all together were gradually giving form to what we now call WWI and WWII with respect to all what we are seeing right now in the world are really astonishing.

Just in this early years of the 2010s decade we have had:

- Revolution of Egypt in 2011 and subsequent civil wars in Tunisia and Libya in 2012 with NATO supporting one side and Russia the other, and fundamentalist Islamic groups in the middle.
- Beginning of the Civil War in Syria in 2013.
- Second Terrorist Attack in American soil in Boston Marathon 2013 by Alqaeda
- Coup d'état in Egypt by the Armed forces against the Islamic brotherhood rule in 2013.
- Huge international crisis in between Japan and China for the control of some islands in 2013
- Aggravation of hostilities followed by intense military maneuvers in the Korean Peninsula in 2012-13
- Surprising coup d'état in Kiev supported by EU and USA February 2014.
- Russian Reaction by the annexation of Crimea March 2014

- This triggers the beginning of a Civil war in all Eastern Ukraine , with two sides supported either by NATO or by
- Dozens or possible up to more than a hundred rocket attacks by Hamas from Gaza strip over Tel aviv.
- Invasion and Siege of Gaza strip by Israel in the so called Operation Protective Edge July 2014 .

- Aggravation of Civil War in Iraq
- Proclamation of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria ( ISIS) with the rank of Caliphate, in June 2014

- Reaction of Nato and other allies forces against ISIS


The Angel of Lightness

edit on 9/19/2014 by The angel of light because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 05:47 PM
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear,

Since the beast in revelation 13;1 is not fighting another beast. Who is the beast fighting?

To me et seams like ww3 is about the beast fighting it self. Right now there is a conflict between the "feet of a Bear" and the Leopard

If the conflict we see right now is for real. And revelation is true. There is going to be a war Next.

One of the heads on the Beast will recive a Deadly wond. And that head aint Russia.
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posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 05:59 PM
a reply to: DeepImpactX

That was the entire point of my post. The majority of the US can't see how history repeats itself and how there already is a WW unless something major happens and the media full on reports a WW.

Sadly to get most people over here to realize WW3 began involves us getting hit. I'm sure most posters here already know to the average American, if it isn't happening here, it isn't happening at all.

It's egotistical, I agree. And downright stupid because history repeats itself.

posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 07:47 PM
The quotes are very relevant to what is going on. No so sure this fits in 'Predictions' as much as observation fit for another area of the boards.

originally posted by: lacrimaererum
these posts should go straight to skunkworks. you have been making these ridiculous and doom strewn predictions for a long time now and none of them are ever right.

Okay? The OP is sharing:

check these interesting quotes, just to see that this is not an exaggerated statement.

What do you think on them?:

That's not the OP's, as it was put, "ridiculous and doom strewn predictions "
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posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 08:13 PM
The day the phony 'War on Terror' was declared was the day WW3 started, ever since then there has been never ending conflict everywhere! Just because there is nowhere near as many deaths, there is still too many!

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 11:09 PM
a reply to: adjensen

Dear Adjensen,

I agreed with you, in the sense that it is not normal at all for a world that supposedly is in " Peace" to have had all the list of revolutions, coup d'états, civil wars, preventive wars and terrorism wars or attacks that we have seen along the two first decades of this century, even when we are just not yet in the middle of the second.

If you check the list of the conflicts or extremely violent red points I have listed, and the ones you also mentioned, they are about 30 so grave incidents in which many nations are in one or other way fighting.

It is like if we have been in war all the time since the attach of world trade center in Sept 11th 2001, what makes me remember the famous quatrain of Nostradamus warning about an era of permanent war coming a little after of the approach of the planet mars to earth of 1999, he said that war will reign happily all that time and the word King of Terror is mentioned in the Quatrain, like saying what kind of conflicts will characterize this epoch.

The year 1999, seven months
from the sky will come a great King of Terror.
He will bring back to life the great king of the Mongols.
Before and after war reigns happily.
L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un grand Roi deffraieur.
Resusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois.
Avant que Mars regner par bonheur.
Century 10 - Quatrain 72

Nostradamus Quatrains

Thanks for your so nice and very well documented reply,

The Angel of Lightness

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