Scotland Vote No In Referendum – Selfish, Scared People, Well Done!

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: destination now

If you look at the total population registered to vote and those who voted Yes, only 38% of Scots voted for independence. 62% said No or simply couldn't be arsed to vote, which can be assumed they weren't that bothered about independence otherwise they'd have got off their bottoms...

That was one of the big social media scares though...that non votes would count for no..total rubbish obviously so I just went with the percentage that actually voted, which was still 10% in the No's favour

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: bigman88

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Awesome.

Sanity reigns supreme.

The yes'ers over there can go to the admonished kiddies corner with the Ron Paulers from over here, dunce hats for all.

I notice your posts kinda push a pro PTB agenda........Just saying. It is what it is. Personally I think it is crazy to have a outside force determine your families future. It is also crazy to say well at least they are giving us some more rights.

Nobody has ever shown proof there is an all powerful PTB, so it is just faith that holds that paranoid new age religion together. The existence of God will be proven before anyone ever proves there is a PTB.

Aquick google search will show you various quotes by Rockefellers, JFK, Kissinger, Soros, various politicians, government officials and businessmen of various countries that a powerful global elite controls all vital materials for livlihood on this earth.

All that proves is that there are rich people, everyone knows there are rich people and always have been even in ancient times. Preach the faith brother, point to the obvious and pretend to be amazed.

These quotes, to any truly thinking mind, tell plenty more than there simply being rich people. Rich does not mean control , manipulate, destroy, and enslave. Rich does not mean evil or greedy.

These quotes i am pointing to, dozens of them throughout history by prominent figures in entertainment, business, politics, military, are all referring to something that is more problematic than just rich people. Something more sinister.

a reply to: destination now

Well as i said before, i only know the basics, nobody should be conquering nobody unless they are aggressive to others for there own gain. Then they need to be subdued.

I learning that the Scots became part of this Union cause they wanted to, but we should know all to well that the victors are the ones who rewrote history, simple as that. So with that said, i feel that the nobles and upper class of Scotland saw it beneficial to themselves to join this union, or they were threatened with hell destruction to join this union, or both. The rest of the population was not with it, but complacency grew with time after each generation. So eventually, the population only know themselves to be with the British. The Empire will make sure Scottish officials are there to keep things under the control in the country, the right education, the right culture, the right media, the right economic/social policies, that will further benefit the Westminster/England, and further keep Scotland in an easily controllable state.

Same for North Ireland and Wales. Same for the UK's ("sod" it, England's) other satellite territories that they say they "voluntarily" pulled out from, but still rule through government and officials that have no problem doing what they say.

I just watched a news segment last year where the UK (England), gave up to half a billion dollars to the Indian government in order to fund forced sterilization of females in the country's impoverished areas. An official who was being interviewed was saying that this "smells of colonialism", being that this was directive suggested and financed by the UK (England).

Independent, eh?

originally posted by: douglas5

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: douglas5
There is talk of a 25 billion cut to the budget in Scotland , and cut's to the free travel of pensioners and the heating allowance , i bet they never knew that when they voted

The travel and heating allowance cuts have been mentioned before and are not limited to Scotland, are you trying to suggest otherwise? They have also not been written into anything that has been passed through parliament, are you trying to suggest they are a done deal?

are you trying to suggest that it is not going to happen maybe they will forget about the cuts

No, if, and that's a big if, they happen, you infer they will be to Scotland only, that is incorrect unless SNP does them of its own choosing. Do you have a basis to disagree?

originally posted by: bigman88

I just watched a news segment last year where the UK (England), gave up to half a billion dollars to the Indian government in order to fund forced sterilization of females in the country's impoverished areas. An official who was being interviewed was saying that this "smells of colonialism", being that this was directive suggested and financed by the UK (England).
Independent, eh

Hmmn .... OFF TOPIC AGAIN ..... A little knowledge and all that....

Do you even know anything about India? Have you even been there?

You'll have seen in documentaries Delhi, The Taj Mahal, Calcutta, Bombay
and all the other capitals of states. But outside of that India is dirt poor and
there are no benefits for the poor. You can drive for hours between
the cities that you have heard of and pass literally 100's of small villages, that
until less than 10years ago only had well water, and no sanitation to speak of
the whole village watch one TV hooked up to some main facility such as the
police station.

The UK is only one of many countries who give aid to India - but no where is it
specified for the sterilisation of women (or even men who are offered
inducements to have vasectomies at railway stations)

The women are not forced, rather coerced ... None of the women are
a one child mother, and a few undergo sterilisation with only two children,
35% have three children, 29% have four children and 18% have more than four.
When these women are interviewed about contraception, many had never heard
of any other method. Now if I was a woman in that situation of being so poor
and not knowing how to stop conceiving I would jump at the chance of
sterilisation never mind forced.


I don't know why you continue bringing up colonisation??? India gained their
independence in 1947 nearly seventy years ago. And the East India Co. was
a trading co. not a conqueror.


Incidentally I note you stated UK (England) But this whole thread has been
that the UK consists of Scotland, Wales, England, and Ireland
and the UK is not just England

Some of the "Yes" voters comments on this thread about people who voted "No" are revolting. They think they have the right to look down on the "No" voters. How arrogant. It does not surprise me that a majority of Scots voted "No." Some of the people I see commenting on here are arrogant zealots. I do not mean all people who voted "Yes."

originally posted by: midicon

It is true that they fear change and in general buy into the fear factor. Of course they have the vote and it is right that they do. Let's not forget though that they grew up in a different time, no internet etc,
I look forward to the next generation of OAP's who perhaps will have a more insightful grasp of things. They will support independence next time round.

The next generation of OAP's will be just as careful as the present one.
Its not because they 'fear' change - they just don't want change simply
for change sake!.

They have been around longer than you, they have heard it all (the lies)
before, done it, and bought the tee shirt. Too many times to be taken
in again .....Sooo now they are more laid back, less easy to sway,
and take a long, long look before they leap

I think you might also like to revise your views on senior citizens, they
may not have been brought up with internet etc. but our local
'Apple store' is jam packed with them every day being given lessons on
computers and the internet.

a reply to: eletheia

The east India company was a royal drug cartel.

a reply to: eletheia

Excellent post..and I really do agree with the technology aspect and older people. I used to work in local govt and one of my remits was digital inclusion, and I taught a wide range of older people how to use computers/internet/digital photography/productivity software...the whole thing, and most of them were more tech savvy than many of the 14-18 group, my own mother at 74 has even learned some photoshop!

So I get rather annoyed when people are being criticised for their decisions based on their age, they have known things that younger generations have never known, and can continue to learn and adapt, and personally, in these economically turbulent times, I agree that sometimes the security of the devil you know is far preferable to the one you don't!

originally posted by: bigman88
a reply to: eletheia

The east India company was a royal drug cartel.

Sigh...It is now 2014, perhaps it's time to move on?

Cue..but the English still have empires and subjugate peoples, etc etc..

However, it isn't any different anywhere else in the world, people want to trade and consume, and whilst the cargo may have changed from the 1700's, the priniciple is the same, that's the nature of the corporate beast and neither you nor I would be communicating on this forum, via our high speed internet access if it didn't.

You can throw blame around wherever you want, but ultimately you are just as much part of the system and therefore, the problem, as anyone else. If the Yes campaign had won, what would really have changed? Would there suddenly and magically have been thousands more jobs? Would pay in both the private and public sectors risen? Would rent, food, gas, electricity and petrol suddenly have got cheaper? Would we have more doctors? A better NHS (btw I think the NHS is awesome, we have an amazing service in Scotland)

We were being told by the SNP, that nothing would change, in terms of currency, monarchy, passports, driving licences, education funding, NHS funding etc etc, but that on the other hand EVERYTHING would change! Ehh what?? We were suddenly going to become the wealthiest nation ever...Not really sure how..Salmond's plan seemed to revolve round taxing and legislating alcohol out of existence..because, in his words we are "a nation of drunks" But other than that, I couldn't actually see anything tangible, anything that motivated me to change the status quo.

That's why I voted No and I have yet to see anything to convince me otherwise, and considering that I have had continual abuse on these threads from Yes supporters..one has suggested that I sleep in a kennel and made an open threat, it has been suggested that I'm an old hag, and one poster isn't even going to read my posts anymore, simply because I have disagreed with them...I wasn't rude to them, but hey ho..

a reply to: destination now

Honestly, not to be rude or anything, but..... Where is the pride in thinking like you do? It's like you don't even believe that Scots are capable of making it on our own, like that propaganda has been drilled into you so deeply that you can't think from any other perspective.

Don't you have any pride in your nation, and your people? None at all? Are half the people in this country just faithless?

We live in a world that needs more unification not seperation. I know thats not a popular opinion to have 'round these parts, but it's whats right.

I just watched an episode of the Robin Hood tv series from the 1950s. It's on here in Dallas every evening at 11:30 pm. It's far better then any current tv show, and has always been one of my favorites.

I can't help equating all the no voters with the evil sheriff's men, and the yes voters with Robin Hood's men. It seems like a logical conclusion based on the fact that in that time the government was evil and oppressive to the citizens, and now it's the same after all these years. Everyone knows the British government is the second most corrupt government in the western world, right after their masters, the evil, and even more corrupt u.s. government.

The Scottish people were only trying win their freedom, just like Robin Hood's men longed for, but the vote was rigged with the help of the totally corrupt msm, and crooked vote counters.

I think we've just grown fat and soft.... literally. We've grown meek and fearful over the years, too much easy living. We voted to keep that easy living, rather than trying to carve out a place for ourselves in the world, with our own two hands- independent, and not beholden to any far off power dictating to an estranged, apathetic populace. But this is what we chose on Thursday.

There was a time when Scotland was brave, we were the Wild West of Europe. It wasn't happy or romantic back then, I've got no delusions in that regard. Lawlessness, vendettas, blood feuds, feudal overlords, and poverty abounded, and that's no fun and games, and it's not like a story book or a movie. It was a harsh, brutal, unforgiving life we Scots led back then. But we had dignity, do you understand? We had pride. No foreign king would have dared to slight even the lowliest clan chief in his own country. Now we get to listen to the condescending rants of English nationalists like "stumason". We didn't bow to anyone, and the only men we followed were those who granted us land to work and raise a family on.

The Scottish were not only respected back then, we were admired and feared. Not just by those down in the south of Britain. We had soldiers and mercenary companies fighting all over Europe- besieging Italian cities, acting as the royal bodyguard of French kings, becoming embroiled in Irish dynastic disputes, fighting under Gustavus Adolphus in the Thirty Years' War, marching alongside Polish companies and into the heartlands of Russia.

Are we Scottish respected now? I don't think so. I think right now we are the laughing stock of the world. We get one chance to choose independence and decide our own fate.... and we say no. We throw it away.

We go from a fearless history to being fat, listless drug-addicts sucking on the tit of Westminster. How #ing pathetic.

originally posted by: Gododdin
a reply to: destination now

Honestly, not to be rude or anything, but..... Where is the pride in thinking like you do? It's like you don't even believe that Scots are capable of making it on our own, like that propaganda has been drilled into you so deeply that you can't think from any other perspective.

Don't you have any pride in your nation, and your people? None at all? Are half the people in this country just faithless?

And there you go..just spout off a load of National Pride BS, insulting me yet not giving one tangible example of this "vision" of yours.

Oh, and yes you are being rude, very rude, I have a lot of pride in all of my decisions, because I make them after going through a process and analysis and it is YOU who have been caught up in the propaganda, by assuming that is is YOU that is right. Why would I not be proud to be Scottish? That truly is one of the most ridiculous and divisive SNP propaganda tools...if you don't vote yes, you can't be Scottish..and you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker like a proper wee sheeple..

No, "half of your country are not faithless" More than half of them had a choice to make and they did so in a democratic process..remember it is you who is in the minority, just because you didn't get what you wanted, doesn't make the rest of us any lesser as people, but that seems to be the way of the Nationalist, shout, bully, insult and don't give one tangible real evidence of what would be better and how.

As for the soundbite of having our own future in our own hands..we already do and this is what amazes me about some of the discussions on here at times...everyone bleats about not trusting govt, how they intrude upon our lives...then in one fell swoop everyone is bleating about how the govt should do this and do that and moaning because they don't have the exact govt they want...whatever happened to Be the change you wish to see? And by carrying out a sustained attack on half of the country, belittling them etc, is that the Scotland you want to live in? One full of bitterness and hatred? Or would it not be better to accept the democratic vote, and decide that you will determine your own future and ask What can I do to make sure that Scotland is the best that it can be...it doesn't need independence to do that, it takes personal responsibility and a desire to reach out to your neighbours and bring everyone together to face the challenges together...not spit in their eye and treat them with contempt because they have a different belief to you.

a reply to: Gododdin

Are we Scottish respected now? I don't think so. I think right now we are the laughing stock of the world. We get one chance to choose independence and decide our own fate.... and we say no. We throw it away.

We go from a fearless history to being fat, listless drug-addicts sucking on the tit of Westminster. How #ing pathetic.

No, we are not the laughing stock of the world...Do you really hate your country or something? We don't live in the last century anymore, it is 2014, drop the romanticised view of ancient Scotland, it is not in the least helpful and is fairly inaccurate as well, the motivation for much of this fearless fighting was rooted in trade and profit..so don't kid yourself.

Also we are not all fat nor drug addicts and at the end of the day, drug addicts, alcoholics etc have made their own choices, and whilst I am more than happy to provide resources to help these people turn their lives around, as it should be in a fair and just society, they got there by themselves, it is not the fault of the incumbent govt or anyone else as to why they chose to fill their bodies with poison.

a reply to: destination now

Lol.... you do realize that you've just spent a lot of time in this topic happily conversing with English nationalists? Nationalism is on the rise in England, it's very pervasive there. What do you think the UKIP is, for God's sake?

But yet when Scots show a bit of national pride we are demonized or brushed off as slack -jawed, ignorant, low-class people "buying into SNP propaganda".

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: Gododdin

Are we Scottish respected now? I don't think so. I think right now we are the laughing stock of the world. We get one chance to choose independence and decide our own fate.... and we say no. We throw it away.

We go from a fearless history to being fat, listless drug-addicts sucking on the tit of Westminster. How #ing pathetic.

No, we are not the laughing stock of the world...Do you really hate your country or something? We don't live in the last century anymore, it is 2014, drop the romanticised view of ancient Scotland, it is not in the least helpful and is fairly inaccurate as well, the motivation for much of this fearless fighting was rooted in trade and profit..so don't kid yourself.

Also we are not all fat nor drug addicts and at the end of the day, drug addicts, alcoholics etc have made their own choices, and whilst I am more than happy to provide resources to help these people turn their lives around, as it should be in a fair and just society, they got there by themselves, it is not the fault of the incumbent govt or anyone else as to why they chose to fill their bodies with poison.

Please point out specific historical inaccuracies in my post. I'm quite the history buff, and I would really like to know what these inaccuracies are.

Of course, to you our history is about "trade and profit" (haha, what?), because that's your worldview reflected in your thinking. That's your skewed perspective from living in a hyper-capitalist, money-oriented society.

That's all you No voters really are, when you get right down to it. Pessimists, who's lives evidently revolve around so-called "financial security" and petty, temporary comforts and assurance.

originally posted by: Gododdin
a reply to: destination now

Lol.... you do realize that you've just spent a lot of time in this topic happily conversing with English nationalists? Nationalism is on the rise in England, it's very pervasive there. What do you think the UKIP is, for God's sake?

But yet when Scots show a bit of national pride we are demonized or brushed off as slack -jawed, ignorant, low-class people "buying into SNP propaganda".

So if the Scots are allowed to have national pride, why not the English..do you see what you've written. I'll happily converse with any person from any background or culture because I'm not a racist...

As for the history question, I'm not saying the events are not accurate, but you're describing it like the Scots went into battle to fight for the little man..No, they did it for trade and profit, nothing wrong with that of course, but their actions were not as altruistic as you are making out

a reply to: Gododdin

That's all you No voters really are, when you get right down to it. Pessimists, who's lives evidently revolve around so-called "financial security" and petty, temporary comforts and assurance.

Hmmm and so far I can see that the Yes voters are people who would be quite happy to go back to the stone age and fight battles in the hills and glens, whilst screeching "FREEEEEEEDOOOOMMMMMMM" in a Mel Gibson-esque way and slaughtering "they englush bastaaarrrrds"

We live in 2014, I don't intend to give up my central heating, car, internet and convenient supermarkets anytime soon and if you consider that to be selfish and pessimistic then there is no point in saying anything else because you have still not given me ONE tangible positive of independence, that provides benefits that we don't already have in Scotland