DOT Proposes Mandating Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed

I could see some benefits from the program but you have to wonder what else could it be used for.. Let's say at some future date during a routine traffic stop your vehicle's travel history can be downloaded and overlaid with a map of every stop sign and speed limit in your state or even nation wide. A computer program does a simple search for when the vehicle rolled through a stop sign without a 2 second full stop.. Or finds on such and such date your vehicle was in a 55 MPH zone doing briefly 62 MPH (you were passing) and you receive a full readout of all your horrible offenses over the last ?? months and are ticketed... Or ....?..

The system will not collect or store any data identifying individuals or individual vehicles, nor will it enable the government to do so."

Not in it's inception "no doubt" however ?

Someday, for the children and the safety of the masses there probably will be no individual driven vehicles on what will be declared (??) a federal/local automated vehicle "only" lane or highway..

To be honest I would like to get in a car and say take me to "someplace" and kick back and do nothing but enjoy the scenery; one day it will probably happen... I just wonder about the possible avenues of abuse.. Kinda like NSA with it fingers into everything..

The "Basic Safety Message" will be broadcast by the vehicle's dedicated short-range communications system. According to NHTSA, this system will need to transmit certain specific information.

"For example," says the technical report, "when a DSRC unit sends out a BSM, the BSM needs to: Contain the relevant elements and describe them accurately (e.g., vehicle speed; GPS position; vehicle heading; DSRC message ID, etc.)."

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Some people put this willingly on their car for insurance discounts. Its called snapshot by one company. Personally I want nothing to do with it. This is making classic cars look better.

a reply to: 727Sky

Yeaaaah right.

They're already using toll systems and pictures of license plates taken by traffic cams and dash cams to track out movements.

I'd like to be able to put my car on autopilot too — think of all the lives, injuries and damaged property that could save. I don't think we need necessarily be trackable for that to happen.

You know ... they will one day use this type of technology to arbitrate your right to travel from place to place.

Better buy a horse.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
Some people put this willingly on their car for insurance discounts. Its called snapshot by one company. Personally I want nothing to do with it. This is making classic cars look better.

I actually did that. It's only temporary and not permanently in place. I think mine was in for 6 mos and I got a pretty significant discount because of my good driving habits. If it was permanent, I wouldn't have done it.

a reply to: WhiteAlice
I share my car sometimes , I was not going to take a chance that my lil bro would do exactly the opposite to me.

There was a study in NYC where the results were surprising to the makers of the study. They wanted to see who was tracking those smart trip boxes so they drove around checking. There were thousands of places tracking them without needing a toll.

That made me very nervous.

Fits perfectly into the growing police state. No history, etc? Unless the police 'need' it, at which time the exception will be revealed.

I refuse to use GPS navigators, Northstar,WeKnowWhereYouAreStar, etc. Do they still know where I go? Most likely. We're already in 1984.

Research ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems) The Vehicle Mileage Tax is coming. This mandate is part of the scheme.

a reply to: 727Sky

If this is ever mandated I suspect there could be numerous electrical failures to the device. All of unknown origin of course.

Maybe lightning strikes???

No way in hell one of those things is going in any car of mine. In fact I only purchase pre fuel injection vehicles and we all know they are notoriously prone to electrical problems anyway. Black box is sure to be the first to go.

Hell, driverless cars are now being tested.

It's the future. Computers don't get drunk or take days off.

Chances are it will be used to restrict people's movements.

What will MADD do...

a reply to: Bassago
I'll tell you how they're going to force you to comply. If you want to be covered by car insurance, you'll be required to have it. If you don't, you're not insured. "Progressive" car insurance is running the test model. When the vehicle mileage tax is passed, all insurance companies will mandate these things in your vehicle. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to get around it. If they tie the tax in with the ability to purchase fuel at gas stations it will be very difficult to get around. The infrastructure is being installed all around N.J. on the highways. Infrastructure being the stuff that these black boxes communicate with.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Hell, driverless cars are now being tested.

Actually a great point. So when these things begin piling up on the freeway (and they will) who are the insurance companies going to go after? Google? That will be a sight.

They can come over and try putting one of those boxes in my car. Should be interesting.



a reply to: Mikeultra

I'm not sure yet how I'm going to get around it.

At best I'll show up with a gas can for my "lawn mower." At worst I'll fall back on my military requisition skills. I'm too old to submit to this fascist crap.

Eventually it'll apply to motorcycles, mopeds, electric scooters and bicycles. Force people to rely less on cars due to taxing them per mile. Eventually after 1-8 years slowly introduce the concept on other powered vehicles.

What a mess. And then they'll tax all walking done out of your living quarters.

Little by little, America is becoming and changing into something that is disgraceful.



We're changing into something less free and something more controlled.

Big government= Liberalism

There's a state testing the milage tax. Its voluntary. What it will result in is people not being about to afford getting to work. We shouldn't be taxed at the pump and per mile. That's a double tax. The issue is as cars are using less gas, tptb are scared they will lose income.

Its never about what's best for the people.

originally posted by: 727Sky

To be honest I would like to get in a car and say take me to "someplace" and kick back and do nothing but enjoy the scenery; one day it will probably happen... I just wonder about the possible avenues of abuse.. Kinda like NSA with it fingers into everything..

Yeah, full automation would be pretty cool. Imagine the impact it would have on drunk driving crashes/fatalities...

I would only support it if there was a 'manual override' mode...fast/reckless/irresponsible driving is one of the only things that keeps me sane in this rather insane world we live in...I've been driving on my own since I was 13...Shhhh! Don't tell!

As for the idea presented in the OP...my brain automatically goes to the 'authorities abusing their power' aspect of it all. I can sort of see why some may want a feature like this for insurance purposes (at least one poster mentioned the Snapshot program), but I have zero need/desire for something like that. Just another invasion of our privacy, and another shortcut for 'the man' to get his hands on our wallet.

originally posted by: 727Sky
I could see some benefits from the program but you have to wonder what else could it be used for..

The obvious use for this is to get people normalized to having their vehicle tracked 24 x 7. When that is sufficiently embedded, the next step will be to require every motorist to drive into a KFC like driveway where a cable will get plugged into their vehicle.

After a little whirl a receipt will print out showing how much has been deducted from your account for all the times
1. your indicator failed to flash 'x' times before you changed lanes or turned a corner
2. for every 500m you broke the speed limit you incurred a fine of $xx..xx
3. for every time you got to within 'x' metres of the vehicle in front of you while the vehicle was moving you incur a fine of $xx.xx
4. etc

I think you get the idea.

for TPTB this would be very attractive to them because you can hear the saying ringing in your ears "well its purely voluntary you know, nobody makes you speed, tailgate or not indicate properly."

Many large US company's use in vehicle management systems to monitor drivers and they have what they call Zero Tolerance Behaviors, on Australian on oil and gas projects.

The system will not collect or store any data identifying individuals or individual vehicles, nor will it enable the government to do so

Lol, bull****. That's probably the EXACT reason it's being proposed.

a reply to: Iamthatbish
That state is Oregon. Take a look at their whack job U.S. Congressman. Earl Blumenaer is his name. I thought for sure he must be a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, but his name is not on their list. He probably is but is not open about it. See the bicycle lapel pin that he always wears? He wants Americans to ride bicycles and for us all to be crammed into urban areas and give up on private owned vehicles. He sounds like a communist! Supposedly the people of Oregon elect liberal scum like this. Brain dead liberal scum.

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