'Please stop!', Pope Francis makes plea for peace

originally posted by: Humanity72
Pope Francis has not covered up anything and Cannon Law is being reviewed as we speak to make it easier to remove and prosecute abusive priest.

Use somantics all you wish but the very existance of a "law" that prevents pedophiles in their ranks from being exposed is the most glaring bit of contradiction in the woodpile and it's spelled like this:

C-O-V-E-R U-P

Will he release the offenders names?
No.
Will they ever be brought to justice?
Not in this lifetime.
The man gives some monstrously lowball number like "it's only 5%"
Seriously?
EVEN 1% IS 1% TOO MANY...THERE IS NO EXCUSE
Cannon Law being reviewed?
I can only surmise you are joking.
Until it is ACTUALLY changed they haven't changed a damn thing.

The days of denial are over and this Pope is taking big steps to make effective changes.

I bet you also believed Obama when he said hope & change.
Sounds like the days of denile are still just as strong as they ever were based on your retort.

You would do yourself good to listen to this man he is truly a holy and compassionate Pope.

And you would do well to stop leaking on my head while telling me it's raining.
The only thing "holy" about this guy is some poor child's sphincter.

-Peace will only elude you as long as you place your faith in bronze-age skyghosts-

a reply to: Unity_99

I like your ideals, just a pity that "police and policing" as we currently know it may just put us in a worse place than we already are

a reply to: ausername

War is inevitable.

I'm inclined to agree. Sadly, The Terminator probably said it best.

a reply to: EryiedesThe problem with Canon law as it now stands isn't that it protects abusers as much as it does not have statutes that allow you to deal with it appropriately. In other words it is currently weak and needs some serious teeth and that is happening. You need to understand Canon Law goes back 2000 years and the thought that priest would abuse children was unfathomable (which it damn well should be but unfortunately is not).

Pope Francis would 100% agree with you that until that nothing short of 0% incidents is acceptable and he is committed to that goal. There are priest and bishops that have removed from their post already and some have resigned because they didn't want to be caught up in the new scrutiny. It is a very different Vatican and is moving incredibly fast compared to precedent of the past.

You are judging a man you more than likely have never heard speak in any format and you have preconceived notions on the Church as a whole and have absolutely no interest in fair evaluation. In others words it is either biased or hate that motivates you and fairness is not on the agenda.

originally posted by: Humanity72
a reply to: EryiedesThe problem with Canon law as it now stands isn't that it protects abusers as much as it does not have statutes that allow you to deal with it appropriately. In other words it is currently weak and needs some serious teeth and that is happening. You need to understand Canon Law goes back 2000 years and the thought that priest would abuse children was unfathomable (which it damn well should be but unfortunately is not).

Pope Francis would 100% agree with you that until that nothing short of 0% incidents is acceptable and he is committed to that goal. There are priest and bishops that have removed from their post already and some have resigned because they didn't want to be caught up in the new scrutiny. It is a very different Vatican and is moving incredibly fast compared to precedent of the past.

You are judging a man you more than likely have never heard speak in any format and you have preconceived notions on the Church as a whole and have absolutely no interest in fair evaluation. In others words it is either biased or hate that motivates you and fairness is not on the agenda.

What does the Holy Spirit command us to do in the Bible when there are those present in the congregations that do such things?

Hiding behind "canon law" or lack there of is an excuse.

a reply to: ausername
Also what about the 9th circle and Satanic rituals what did he say there? Did he ask them to please stop ?

originally posted by: Year1

originally posted by: Humanity72
a reply to: EryiedesThe problem with Canon law as it now stands isn't that it protects abusers as much as it does not have statutes that allow you to deal with it appropriately. In other words it is currently weak and needs some serious teeth and that is happening. You need to understand Canon Law goes back 2000 years and the thought that priest would abuse children was unfathomable (which it damn well should be but unfortunately is not).

Pope Francis would 100% agree with you that until that nothing short of 0% incidents is acceptable and he is committed to that goal. There are priest and bishops that have removed from their post already and some have resigned because they didn't want to be caught up in the new scrutiny. It is a very different Vatican and is moving incredibly fast compared to precedent of the past.

You are judging a man you more than likely have never heard speak in any format and you have preconceived notions on the Church as a whole and have absolutely no interest in fair evaluation. In others words it is either biased or hate that motivates you and fairness is not on the agenda.

What does the Holy Spirit command us to do in the Bible when there are those present in the congregations that do such things?

Hiding behind "canon law" or lack there of is an excuse.

No where in my post did I make an excuse and neither is the Church it is admitting everything, asking for forgiveness and making the necessary changes that it can as quickly as it can.

Note Child abuse is terrible and particularly terrible when it happens in a religious institution but unfortunately no institution be it a church, school or social group is immune. This problem runs through every fabric of our society so this isn't just a Catholic problem.

originally posted by: Mudwlke
a reply to: ausername
Also what about the 9th circle and Satanic rituals what did he say there? Did he ask them to please stop ?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

a reply to: Humanity72

You don't even really know what these people are being accused of never mind what they are actually up to do you? How can you defend an institution such as the Vatican yet fail to have ever heard or their involvement regarding the ninth circle satanic child sacrifice?

www.whale.to...

childabuserecovery.com...

iclcj.com...

Like I already advised you really should research the people you seem to hold in such high esteem.

a reply to: Humanity72

LOGIC accepted within your reply Humanity72

NAMASTE*******

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Humanity72

You don't even really know what these people are being accused of never mind what they are actually up to do you? How can you defend an institution such as the Vatican yet fail to have ever heard or their involvement regarding the ninth circle satanic child sacrifice?

www.whale.to...

childabuserecovery.com...

iclcj.com...

Like I already advised you really should research the people you seem to hold in such high esteem.

OK then maybe we should call Luke Skywalker and he can use the force to defeat the Pope because if we are going to go off this deep an end let's just plunge all the way into fantasy land. I'd be embarrassed to post that crap.

a reply to: Humanity72

That's because you cannot entertain the notion that these people could possibly do the things described. That's ok its called conditioning. I mean who would ever think a Priest or anyone else of the cloth who you hold with such high regard could possibly commit such acts of depravity. Believe whatever you wish the mass graves in Ireland speak for themselves as do the witness testimonies.

I see you seem have skipped the question "How can you defend an institution such as the Vatican yet fail to have ever heard or their involvement regarding the ninth circle satanic child sacrifice?", so I ask again?

edition.cnn.com...

Try that link, that's CNN kosher enough for you? Probably not!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Humanity72
That's because you cannot entertain the notion that these people could possibly do the things described. That's ok its called conditioning. I mean who would ever think a Priest or anyone else of the cloth who you hold with such high regard could possibly commit such acts of depravity. Believe whatever you wish the mass graves in Ireland speak for themselves as do the witness testimonies.
I see you seem have skipped the question "How can you defend an institution such as the Vatican yet fail to have ever heard or their involvement regarding the ninth circle satanic child sacrifice?", so I ask again?
edition.cnn.com...
Try that link, that's CNN kosher enough for you? Probably not!

The Irish story has nothing to do with Satanic rituals & a whole lot more to do with Irish social mores of children born out of wedlock.

a reply to: PleiaDsClusterDck

Granted the CNN article does not mention satanic ritual involvement it does however allure to a mass grave with absolutely no record death certificates/burial record regarding over 700 children! Surely that's suspicious enough in its own respect to warrant caution? That's child abuse right there even if its due to neglect rather than ritualistic/sexual abuse.

If there are ghosts that home probably looked like the Houses of the Holy cover at night from the spirits seeking vengeance for the evil that was done to them at that place.
If I remember rightly some mothers were told they had miscarried when in fact they hadn't & then the babies were left to starve.
I don't see this as a Catholic specific issue as Catholics were global & this is an isolated incident.

a reply to: PleiaDsClusterDck

That would be 796 incidents and all tucked up neatly in a mass grave with no record of the poor wee tots ever having existed. An isolated incident makes perfect sense considering who knows what really happened to the poor wee souls. It's isolated for a reason if you ask me. Truth be told the place was probably never meant to be found!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Humanity72

That's because you cannot entertain the notion that these people could possibly do the things described. That's ok its called conditioning. I mean who would ever think a Priest or anyone else of the cloth who you hold with such high regard could possibly commit such acts of depravity. Believe whatever you wish the mass graves in Ireland speak for themselves as do the witness testimonies.

I see you seem have skipped the question "How can you defend an institution such as the Vatican yet fail to have ever heard or their involvement regarding the ninth circle satanic child sacrifice?", so I ask again?

edition.cnn.com...

Try that link, that's CNN kosher enough for you? Probably not!

That whole story has been exposed as grossly exaggerated and quite frankly was protestant propaganda against the Catholic Church in Ireland which is nothing new>

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: PleiaDsClusterDck

That would be 796 incidents and all tucked up neatly in a mass grave with no record of the poor wee tots ever having existed. An isolated incident makes perfect sense considering who knows what really happened to the poor wee souls. It's isolated for a reason if you ask me. Truth be told the place was probably never meant to be found!

Read my link the children were accountant for and most of them died of common disease that were running rampant through the entire country.

You are one gullible dude.

"When Corless published her findings on a Facebook campaign page, and Irish media noticed, she speculated to reporters that the resting place of most, if not all, could be inside a disused septic tank on the site. By the time Irish and British tabloids went to print in early June, that speculation had become a certainty, the word 'disused' had disappeared, and U.S. newspapers picked up the report, inserting more errors, including one that claimed the researcher had found all 796 remains in a septic tank."

"The Associated Press was among the media organizations that covered Corless and her findings, repeating incorrect Irish news reports that suggested the babies who died had never been baptized and that Catholic Church teaching guided priests not to baptize the babies of unwed mothers or give to them Christian burials."

"The reports of denial of baptism later were contradicted by the Tuam Archdiocese, which found a registry showing that the home had baptized more than 2,000 babies. The AP issued a corrective story on Friday after discovering its errors."
- Holy Cow. It's Telephone via Journalists.

"You are one gullible dude."

OK, OK, If you insist I guess I'll be forced to believe that the Pope conducts Black Mass in the Vatican basement every other Tuesday.

originally posted by: PleiaDsClusterDck
If there are ghosts that home probably looked like the Houses of the Holy cover at night from the spirits seeking vengeance for the evil that was done to them at that place.
If I remember rightly some mothers were told they had miscarried when in fact they hadn't & then the babies were left to starve.
I don't see this as a Catholic specific issue as Catholics were global & this is an isolated incident.

Fishing is a great sport when practiced CORRECTLY.