Humans must be Aliens here on Earth

originally posted by: Baddogma
Well we have the common dna markers of every other (well, except for one or two...maybe) organism on Earth... but that doesn't preclude the possibility that:

A) the original dna was placed here ... and grew everything we see... or

B) that already existing apelike homonids were "tweaked" with alien genes (maybe this galaxy was seeded with similar dna? Who knows) and semi-smart apes all of a sudden were confronted with their own mortality, could figure out patterns and project results of manipulations... and went crazy.

Putting two and two together, meaning it sure seems like we have interaction with some high tech society from somewhere... and I primarily mean the technology seen flying around here since...forever... along with those anomalies about humans... we ARE relatively fragile creatures unsuited in a few ways to our environment ... with those two hints (at the least... there are others), I'd say it's quite possible we are/were an experiment ...of sorts.

Personally i think you are mixing up many things. However, of course we can't be sure, that we aren't designed by any alien species or even former ancestors etc. but if you look into nature here on earth then you find much more astonishing "wonders" and lifeforms and ways of living then you could imagine before they were discovered.

It will be up to the scientists of the "future" to find out more about this. If there's such thing like coded DNA, secret sequences or whatever then we will find out some day.

im gonna save my breath on this one, i tried discussing it with darwin evolution theory supporters,they can not think outside the box and just spew text book lies at you over and over ,there completely brainwashed and are like religous fanatics .also i doubt darwin was as intelligent as some modern mankind/woman as we have instant learning resources.

there are big holes in darwins theory and i will never buy it till i see a dog give birth to a horse

a reply to: Tichy

I certainly could be mixing up any number of things... I am guilty of that all the time. However, I just think it is a possibility we are the result of outside manipulation... hardly a certainty.

I am, however, almost certain that there is a presence here of an intelligence we are unfamiliar with... whatever it's actual nature is (and origins are) I have no idea, but it does seem to be of a higher technological ability than we currently have.

Putting that (personal) fact together with human's singular nature makes me go "hmmm...," but I'm open to the notion being wrong.

ETA and I forgot to include the whole reason I replied, in that you are exactly right about incredible wonders of the natural world right in front of us all the time... true, we don't need 'space people' for wonder... nevertheless, they seem to be here.

originally posted by: stuthealien
im gonna save my breath on this one, i tried discussing it with darwin evolution theory supporters,they can not think outside the box and just spew text book lies at you over and over ,there completely brainwashed and are like religous fanatics .also i doubt darwin was as intelligent as some modern mankind/woman as we have instant learning resources.

there are big holes in darwins theory and i will never buy it till i see a dog give birth to a horse

Darwin was some guy who brought us into one of these "groundbreaking" knowledge, i spoke of. The theory of evolution by him isn't perfect and of course there may be some flaws but i can tell you at least one thing:

The homo sapiens at present day is as intelligent as the homo sapiens who lived at the time of the roman empire, for example. There's no differance at all. Just the technology and the knowledge raised and evolved over time.

In my opinion, thinking "outside the box" also doesn't mean to claim some weird thesis and support it by random ideas, that lead to this thesis. It rather means to really get into a subject first, to understand it and to see something, that doesnt fit within the common theory. But that's just the half way. You also will have to come up with some alternative one, that isn't based on a "five-minute-thought" just to be against but something you can substantiate by your own research.

People tend to forget, that just because they believe in something, it mustn't be true.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: Tichy

I certainly could be mixing up any number of things... I am guilty of that all the time. However, I just think it is a possibility we are the result of outside manipulation... hardly a certainty.

I am, however, almost certain that there is a presence here of an intelligence we are unfamiliar with... whatever it's actual nature is (and origins are) I have no idea, but it does seem to be of a higher technological ability than we currently have.

Putting that (personal) fact together with human's singular nature makes me go "hmmm...," but I'm open to the notion being wrong.

ETA and I forgot to include the whole reason I replied, in that you are exactly right about incredible wonders of the natural world right in front of us all the time... true, we don't need 'space people' for wonder... nevertheless, they seem to be here.

In like 10 (or more) years of reading, listening and watching things concering the whole Alien/UFO topic i still can't get to a final conclusion for myself. I won't get into my personal opinion much further but i still see no connection here at all. May/could/probably don't count for me. Open minded doesn't mean to believe everthing on sight, for me.

So, yeah. Maybe/Could/Probably ...there's some big plan or something but until we/i know for sure i rather stick to scientific research and facts.

originally posted by: maxzen2004
Is there another animal on Earth that needs artificial clothing to survive? What other animal uses clothing? Why would we shed our fur if we ever had any? I have a hard time seeing how we fit in, the only thing I see saving us is our intelligence and luck.

I understand we can survive without clothes but why are we not born suited to our environment like other animals?

I am just writing this see what everyone's thoughts are, there so many unknowns. I am just curious if anyone feels the same way, ATS has some incredible people and I am looking forward to the responses.

We are born suited to our environment. We have hair that covers our entire body, sure some of it isn't as long as the hair on the top of our head but it's still there. Who knows, maybe if we didn't have clothing, our bodies would have longer hair.

One of the theories we don't have fur anymore is because we were a type of water ape. Whether we took to the water for fun or for survival, it made our fur thinner in some areas than others.

It is also theorized that we achieved our consciousness from psychedelic plants.

That being said, I haven't ruled out the possibility of humans being aliens that came to Earth who knows how long ago.

That's just my two cents

Great thread topic. I often wonder that we take humanity apart, genetically, as you have in your OP, wondering about our suitability….when, logically, we must consider the possibility that our environment has been manipulated….perhaps, to become more antithetical to our survival.

Why? To destroy us? To challenge us, maybe…..

The point I'm really trying to make, here, is it's just as likely we've both been manipulated: our species, and our environment…..
tetra50

a reply to: gortex ok first that so called fossil record is just bones and where dug up ,no one observed it, so it is not science fact period.
now lets look at your picture again and instead think of the skulls as alien dna spliced with monkey dna
from prototype 1 right through to final version 12 (elongated skulls from peru are missing from your pic?).so i would go out on a limb and say maybe 20 prototype civilizations.
evolution if it ever happened would still be present in monkeys today and we would still see the apes/monkeys in different stages,but we do not why ? my guess prototype 1 to 19 while sucessfull where not the optimum blend of alien/monkey dna to prolong there species why was this needed to be done.

long shot here but a first (the alien craft that crashed here in ancient times was entirely crewed by men and there urges to procreate and for survival of there species required the need to create alien/monkey hybrids

originally posted by: tetra50
Great thread topic. I often wonder that we take humanity apart, genetically, as you have in your OP, wondering about our suitability….when, logically, we must consider the possibility that our environment has been manipulated….perhaps, to become more antithetical to our survival.

Why? To destroy us? To challenge us, maybe…..

The point I'm really trying to make, here, is it's just as likely we've both been manipulated: our species, and our environment…..
tetra50

I would rather keep it with Arthur C. Clark and believe, that we were "supported", not manipulated .

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: gortex
evolution if it ever happened would still be present in monkeys today and we would still see the apes/monkeys in different stages,but we do not why ?

Hmm, if i watch some documentary i do see apes in different shapes and certain kind of evolutional states aswell.

originally posted by: Tichy

originally posted by: tetra50
Great thread topic. I often wonder that we take humanity apart, genetically, as you have in your OP, wondering about our suitability….when, logically, we must consider the possibility that our environment has been manipulated….perhaps, to become more antithetical to our survival.

Why? To destroy us? To challenge us, maybe…..

The point I'm really trying to make, here, is it's just as likely we've both been manipulated: our species, and our environment…..
tetra50

I would rather keep it with Arthur C. Clark and believe, that we were "supported", not manipulated

.

Yeah. I would, too. But don't know if the evidence I'm aware of, at least, suggests that. There's a fine line between manipulation and support, isn't there, really? I have the uncomfortable feeling most manipulation is justified by the claim it's support. Know what I mean?

tet

Just my two cents~
There are of course other hairless or nearly hairless mammals. Pigs spring to mind (granted, they do have a higher body temperature)

Thought this may be a good thread to ask the question: anyone here read Watership Down or Animal Farm?
Second
tet

a reply to: Tichy but if you watch the same documentary do you see the twelve skeletons provided by evolution theorists walking round swinging from trees???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
you took one snippet of my post out of its context

originally posted by: tetra50
Great thread topic. I often wonder that we take humanity apart, genetically, as you have in your OP, wondering about our suitability….when, logically, we must consider the possibility that our environment has been manipulated….perhaps, to become more antithetical to our survival.

Why? To destroy us? To challenge us, maybe…..

The point I'm really trying to make, here, is it's just as likely we've both been manipulated: our species, and our environment…..
tetra50

There's some third way, i personally believe in. It's nothing i would claim or that it's scientifically approved. It's more like a feeling, that hasn't to be true.

I think that there's some yet unkown force in nature - i would rather call it a principle - that assures, that life can evolve, when the right circumstances are given. But also it assures, that these circumstances are somehow coming into effect naturally.

It's like a natural law, i think. Therefor you don't essentially need some third force or something.

We already found amino acids in meteorites, which are one of the basical elements of life. Furthermore we know, that star systems form in a similar way to our own star system (ofc with different outcomes according to the circumstances how its build etc.) and that there are other planets in habital zones around other stars.

Personally i don't need no alien to get in touch with my DNA just to explain how we could have evolve but rather i think it's some kind of "cosmological constant" that life - however it will look like and whatever level of consciousness it will gain - will develop, if the circumstances are given.

If our genetics is a product of alien manipulation, I have to give a tip of my hat to the aliens. Not really into hairy boobs.

a reply to: Tichy
Yeah, but who is watching those "watchers and deciders?"
Cause I'm not so sure they've got anyone's best interests in mind, though they might say they do…..
And appreciate your thoughts, truly, but your lack of punctuation and quotations makes your thoughts seems like mine. Hmmm. What is that telling us, I wonder?
tet

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: Tichy
Yeah, but who is watching those "watchers and deciders?"
Cause I'm not so sure they've got anyone's best interests in mind, though they might say they do…..
And appreciate your thoughts, truly, but your lack of punctuation and quotations makes your thoughts seems like mine. Hmmm. What is that telling us, I wonder?
tet

Man, this last post was messed up by quotings. Hope it's fixed now...its late here, im gettin tired.

But what you mean by "lack of punctuation and quotations" by the way?

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: Tichy but if you watch the same documentary do you see the twelve skeletons provided by evolution theorists walking round swinging from trees???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
you took one snippet of my post out of its context

Just ask a palaeontologist, not me. I am no palaeontologist .

I just said, that i know of many different kind of apes in different stages out there.

Seriously. Guys. You start to wonder about something. That's cool. But then you come up with something, that mostly seems to be a quick thought. You don't need a forum like this to do some research on your own.

Adaptations are not always apparent. Seals and sea lions do not have fur, but are able to withstand the cold water temperatures by adapting a layer of blubber to retain heat.

Humans managed to evolve intelligence, which negated the need for thick fur, sharp claws and teeth, or poison quills. Our intelligence allows us to survive in nearly any environment and we are figuring out ways to survive in more hostile environments all the time. You could say that intelligence is superior to all other adaptations, which is why we are at the top of the food chain.