Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: Obama calls for immediate ceasefire in Ukraine

originally posted by: minusinfinity
a reply to: theantediluvian

Right and so don't think that the deaths of 298 civilians from 9 countries are going to shift opinion a bit?

Of course but I maintain that military options are off the table.

I think it was an accident. In no way am I justifying what occurred but I fail to believe it was an intentional action. How would anybody gain by shooting down a commercial airliner?

Obviously it's quite the opposite.

Oh, I agree. I believe a likely scenario is the plane was mistaken for being Ukranian military and I don't believe that a military option is on the table yet, but if it can definitely be tied to Russia, Putin is completely exposed over his continuing lie that Russia has no direct involvement in the civil war.

originally posted by: Flyinghaggis

originally posted by: jtrenthacker
"Obama calls for immediate ceasefire in Ukraine"

....or what?

Or he'll cwy?

Again?

a reply to: theantediluvian

I believe a likely scenario is the plane was mistaken for being Ukranian military and I don't believe that a military option is on the table yet, but if it can definitely be tied to Russia, Putin is completely exposed over his continuing lie that Russia has no direct involvement in the civil war.

I agree 100% with this.

originally posted by: minusinfinity
a reply to: theantediluvian

Right and so don't think that the deaths of 298 civilians from 9 countries are going to shift opinion a bit?

I think it was an accident. In no way am I justifying what occurred but I fail to believe it was an intentional action. How would anybody gain by shooting down a commercial airliner?

I mean accidents happen to Malaysian Airlines B777s ALL the time.

Why would anyone think this crash is any different?

originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: theantediluvian

Fancy that! Between golfing, vacations, and attending fund raising parties...his WH handlers managed to snag him to *read* a brief statement. They made him take off his Fundraiser in Chief hat, and plop his dusty Commander in Chief hat on for a much needed *Yes, I am the President* photo op.

He is the laughing stock of the International community. As if, anyone is going to take anything he says seriously. With the past 6 years of decimating our military...I guess he thinks threatening sanctioning, and closing bank accounts is going to scare them.

Des

Perhaps the BRICS bank, soon to open , may thwart their fear of sanctioning and closing bank accounts. One has to wonder if this BRICS somehow plays a part in this or at least the Russia part of it.

a reply to: Destinyone
I don't think that shame is the best term to describe your feeling towards Obama. I think it would be hatred or rage. Also, at this point I am not aware of any American victims, so you are attacking Obama, for not reaching out to the international victims, mainly Dutch, French, German, Malaysian, and other nationalities. Even here you are wrong. You seem to be a big fan Of Rahm Emmanuel, who (in)famously said "never let an opportunity go to waste."

So emperor Obama is the judge, jury and executioner? wow

What evidence does he have that proves that Russian rebels are the ones who shot it down, because I haven't seen any credible evidence yet, only heresy on American news medias.

originally posted by: Fylgje
So emperor Obama is the judge, jury and executioner? wow

What evidence does he have that proves that Russian rebels are the ones who shot it down, because I haven't seen any credible evidence yet, only heresy on American news medias.

What evidence? Yes he is jury and executioner, because we have appointed him as such, and gave him all kinds of kill buttons. Armed drone - boom! nuclear weapons - boom! Cruise missile strike - boom! He has to protect us from Putin. Before it was Assad, Kaddafi, Husain, oh yeah, Bin Laiden, and all the other bad guys. If we don't like them, we blow them up, that's the deal. Bring popcorn, beer, and watch them burn.

They are no "Russian rebels" in Ukraine, there are only Russian terrorists who are armed by Putin and sent to exterminate democracy and freedom.

All Russians are terrorists, you know, the bad guys. They even speak Russian, so they can not be anything but terrorists. That's why we put economic sanctions on them, and if they wont start doing what they are told, then we'll bomb then like all the rest.

If anybody doesn't like it, go eat a carrot.

There.

Go America!

a reply to: AmericanNational

What's up Doc?"

You know none of those bad guys you mentioned has the power to hit back eh?

Wanna carrot?

During the early stages of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, I had sympathy for Putin and the dilemma he was facing. An ever encroaching Western alliance seeking to dominate Russia's borders both economically and militarily. For America and the rest of the West to advance their corporatistic hegemony, Russia had to be weakened, more economically than militarily. She had to be isolated and condemned.

Fomenting discord in the Ukraine (Russia's Achilles Heel) was the way the process was to be achieved. Putin had no other option but to respond in the most least destructive way to counter Western machinations on his doorstep by intervening firstly in the Crimea, and then through the backing of pro-Russian separatists.

Over the passing months, the conflict took an ugly turn and people on both sides started to be killed, and the violence increased, and has done so to the point where it now has a life almost of its own. Putin no longer wields the control he once had. He now looks as impotent and as weak as David Cameron.

The problem now is that the separatists, having been given better fire-power by Putin (and let's be under no illusion about this), are acting without proper control, and the murdering #heads have brought down a civilian airliner, slaughtering every innocent life on board the plane. No one on that plane had anything to do with the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, but have paid the price for its occurrence.

To add both insult and contempt to the crime (and it is a crime), the bastards won't allow the proper investigative experts in to do their job. Instead they are destroying evidence and removing bodies to locations unknown (probably to be fully disposed of) in order to divert the responsibility they should bear.

The West has to be apportioned some of the blame, but only indirectly. This act of unwitting horror had its origin in the West's nefarious machinations in the Ukraine, but ultimately, Putin and Russia, and the pro-Russian separatists are more responsible and more to blame.

The West has achieved its aim, and will use this tragedy to drive home its agenda against Putin and Russia. The West, by the appalling incidental fate of the passengers of MH17, now finds itself in a position where not only has it to act, but that it is charged to do so.

The pro-Russian separatists now have to be driven fully out of the Ukraine. It is the price they have to pay. By downing flight MH17, they have lost all moral and political cause, and are now rogue elements that need to be put down by the Ukraine military with open Western backing.

If this leads to war with Russia, then let it be so. It will be the price the West has to pay for it's anti-Russian agenda. This conflict has now transcended its borders.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Obama calls for immediate ceasefire in Ukraine

Or what...? Ceasefire or he'll take another vacation?