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Humans are pushing the self destruct button - Are the Government purposly ignoring this situation?

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posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:07 PM
Every day I wake up and pour a cuppa, watch the news before I go to work and every day I see things which need sorting out. Things which have a snowball effect upon other things in society. For example, We complain about the fact that My partner and I are overworked and have had a pay cut, are working flat out and have not got the time or money to have another child. We can not claim tax credits as we are just above the limit and have to pay full rent/council tax, while others we know are purposely working 16 hours, claiming the highest rate of tax credits and are having more children because they have a similar income to us and have the time off work to look after the kids. Same with Dole claimants, they are getting everything paid for and also have the time to look after loads of kids, and every dole claimant I know has quite a few kids. Their kids also grow up to have kids on the dole most of the time because that's all they know, and whilst everything is free of charge are exhausting the NHS, going to food banks and yet they still claim they cant afford to live.

Please note - I do not want to live a free life. I agree with working hard, paying your way and only having kids because you are privillaged to have them in your life and because you have a stable home environment and because you can afford to have them. What I want is for the people living free of charge to have to endure the same lifestyle sacrifices that we do.

Another example is when I claimed IB JSA for 4 weeks after I had my only child I could not work so I had £138/week and did not have to pay rent or council tax.
In the last 3 months before I had my child I was still on maternity pay and because I did not claim any benefits, on £95/week I had to pay £35/week rent and council tax, and was left with just £60 to pay for bills & shopping.

Why does what you claim matter over how much money you have? I don't understand!

This country is getting more and more overpopulated and its mostly by people living on free hand outs. I live in a rural area and it was very nice and we were grateful for it, until they built more social housing right on our doorstep and now we get no peace and quiet, have had trouble from some residents and have to fight for a parking space now every day. I already had to put up with this nonsense once before in a town area so you can imagine our thankfulness when we were allocated this place and now see what we have to put up with yet again!

I do agree with the social security system as it is a good safety net should you need it, but people are abusing it and whilst there are only 29.9 million taxpayers in the uk out of a possible 64.1 million people I cant help wondering...Why on earth are the government allowing people to be so lazy and not contribute, whilst the people that do work all they can and do contribute has to live a less fulfilled life than those who do not?

As far as I can see, no one is willing to work, the Government aren't getting enough taxes paid, we are getting more overpopulated by the day, the NHS cant cope, landfill sites are struggling to cope, we import food as we cant provide enough for the amount of people here.....I could go on...As far as I can see in every election the government promise to put a stop to `something for nothing` but nothing is ever done. Everyone living a free life is still doing so. I wish people could see that their actions have consequences.

Whats going wrong and why are the government ignoring everything?

Im sorry if some of this is jumbled up, but I am writing just what I am remembering in no particular order.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:19 PM
Wow, lots of letters of things I know nothing about...JSA...Dole...NHS. Then I saw the different money.

We have different agencies and programs here in the USA. That's greek to me. Here it's a cupa Java or mud, Cuppa seems like it is not quite complete.

Only one from a family should have to work to make it. That is not the way it is anymore though. Our ancestors worked hard to make it that way and we blew it.
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posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:21 PM
I`d just like to add something. I am starting to believe that the government allow these things on purpose because our country is portrayed as a `freedom` country and if the government started for eg, making people work for their benefits, charging rent and council tax fees by means testing rather than what kind of benefit qualifies for `free` rent & council tax, limiting the amount of children you can have whilst being in receipt of benefits, that sort of thing. If They did these things, it would spoil their image wouldn't it? And would there then be riots and maybe the beginnings of war like many other countries? Im starting to think that the Government are not so stupid and that there is method in their madness and was wondering what others thought about this theory?

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:23 PM
a reply to: rickymouse
Sorry, Im in the uk and these are IB JSA which means Income based Job Seekers Allowance, NHS is National Health Service. I meant a cup of tea/coffee, Cuppa! lol

Yes I agree, but I have always worked since I was 13, im now 31. I would have thought after all these years I would be a bit better off, but I have only managed to save enough money to buy (almost half of) a van for work, which was £7000, £4000 of it had to come from a loan. It seems to me that we are punished for doing the right thing. It shouldn't take 2 parents to work long hours to make ends meet, but here in the uk it seems that way. Last year we payed 10k in tax and minus our work expense (as we are self employed) it is enough to live off but is around the same income as what they have capped the benefits at. To me, this is terrible that someone claiming benefits can get the same income as 2 people working flat out 6 days /week, partner works 8.30am-7pm and I work 8.30am-4pm (I am child carer)

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posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:28 PM
a reply to: ImLisaFromEarth

I like how you said "Every day I wake up and pour a cuppa," - you didn't say I live in the UK. You made it so that you didn't have to!

Apart from the "living free" thing I agree with you. The current economic situation in the UK is terrible, those who work are pressed harder and harder to support the growing numbers of those who don't. Eventually I think it'll get so bad that tgere will have to be some sort of change.

I know a very young mother who seemed to have her child as a means of avoiding work or education, even now she complains about not being able to go out on Facebook yet a couple of years ago nobody could have stopped her from having a child with a boy she treated terribly and pretty much used to have the baby.

Now, on the "living free" thing: None of us live free in the first place as everybody is governed by laws etc. I hate saying it but I would say that having some form of proof for being able to bring your child up properly in a stable, safe environment is a must for the future.

I feel certain that things can't continue as they are in the UK.

Maybe there was a reason "keep calm and carry on" became a popular slogan in recent years.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:30 PM
The world is because it is either because I am surrounded by stark raving mad people, or I myself have long gone off the deep end.

Listen, I have to work hard to make end meet just like many here. My end goal however, is to make that statement temporary. We shouldn't have to work hard so the rich can get richer. They want you to think that is the right, moral and proper way.....its bull#. No one should have to work for money and in fact with some discipline and knowledge (self-study) you can make money work for you.

It's what "they" do while you work for them. Its a game that some are good at because it was taught to them. Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you knew the game you'd be a player too. Personally I'd rather just change the game. Its rigged to keep people who don't know paying and those who do receiving. Most people would rather spend the free time watching each their own.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:34 PM
The reason the country is in the mess it is in, and the reason the government don't appear to be doing anything to help it, is because thats how they want it.

The UK is the biggest # hole on the face of the planet. It always has been, and always will be. Mainly because of people with your attitude, blaming the victims of a corrupt, self-serving government who let their sponsors do what they want.

They let immigrants in because its cheap labour, and in turn, it puts natives out of work because they want the fair wage their ancestors had to fight for. It overloads the public services our ancestors had to fight for. Then, when they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar, rather than punish them and make them return the money, they make the victims of the robbery pay for the crimes.

Then the likes of you have the nerve to call people on benefits "lazy", you criticise people who are forced to turn to food banks to feed their families. You do not have the first idea about their situation, why they are on benefits, what goes on in their lives.

Taxes are paid to the government and in return we expect a decent standard of living, again, I will stress, it had to be fought hard for by our ancestors. We are scammed at every opportunity by the hand that is supposed to be feeding us. You talk about an entitlement culture, yet the government are the biggest entitlists (if that's even a word) of all. They expect more than their fair share of what we make, and they steal it for themselves rather than putting it back into the services it is supposed to pay for.

Stop blaming the victims. The ones responsible for this mess are not the people who are sick, disabled, unemployed, or otherwise vulnerable and vilified because of their situation. The ones responsible are the corporations who profit from all the misery they have created, and the government who let the corporations get away with murder because they get a piece of the pie.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:36 PM
a reply to: DodgyDawg
Sorry, I just forgot that I was talking to the world wide web, and acted like I was talking to someone that I knew instead! lol

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 05:45 PM
a reply to: Rosinitiate

I Do not want to work to line the pockets of the rich people either, but I do think that if people only had the same work ethic in the first place, then if everyone pulled together and did their fair share, the rest of us would not have to do so much and could enjoy spending time with the only child that I managed to have!

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:06 PM

originally posted by: Firefly_
The reason the country is in the mess it is in, and the reason the government don't appear to be doing anything to help it, is because thats how they want it.

Stop blaming the victims. The ones responsible for this mess are not the people who are sick, disabled, unemployed, or otherwise vulnerable and vilified because of their situation. The ones responsible are the corporations who profit from all the misery they have created, and the government who let the corporations get away with murder because they get a piece of the pie.

I understand your point of view, but I am not blaming people who need benefits, as I said further up the post, I am all for helping society when they are in need, but there are people out there who are abusing the system and are being allowed to for some unknown reason. I myself, as I also said needed to claim when I was in need for 4 weeks after the birth of my child, mainly because my ex partner would not get a job, so I then, when I was able, went back to work.

The sorts of people that im talking about, are people I know personally who I can see abusing the system with my own eyes, and I know people who are genuinely in need too. I cant stress enough that I agree with the social security system to be used for those that need it and not otherwise, so I`d appreciate it if you would not say "the likes of you" to me thank you. lol

Do you agree with people having kids on benefits and then spending the money gambling/booze/fags?
Do you agree with people working self employed purposely claiming to work 16 hours so that they avoid paying tax, rent, council tax and can claim maximum amounts of tax credits to top up their money?
Do you agree with people having kids, and spending the benefit money on top make clothes like supadry, Nike, Adidas and then running to the food bank pleading poverty?
Do you agree with couples having kids on benefits claiming to be living separate lives and secretly living together in one house and having 2 lots of money?

Some of these things are not illegal and some are, some are just selfish people spending endless amounts of money on things they want and not things they need, which in my eyes is just wasteful, and some is benefit fraud which is illegal, but each is still abusing their claim if you ask me!

These are the kinds of things I see every day, which is abusing their claim. I do not see disabled people and genuinely poor people (which are mainly childless claimants) as abusing a claim just because they do claim - please give me credit for what I actually said!

I do agree that it is the Government at fault for letting them get away with it, I just want to know why?

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:11 PM
I think Ive just answered my own question anyway. Look at the reaction im getting for simply making a discussion about the state of the uk and especially about benefits. Imagine I was David Cameron right now telling you all that I was making everyone work which is fair for all, and that every benefit claimant would have to work for their money, unless they had a genuine reason for not doing so. I reckon that the population is so huge now that the Government are scared to upset everyone!

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:12 PM
a reply to: ImLisaFromEarth

There are governments that have learned to manipulate the species (humans) through our weakness's to stay in power, just that simple, and it will only get worse, but it will back fire eventually, it has to.

Eventually the socialist will run out of other peoples' money. "Thatcher", one can only imagine what will happen when there is no more money to hand out.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:12 PM
There is always something wrong in the World and systems we live in and always have been. Don´t think the system can be fixed in a way everyone would be happy.
But you can make your own life considerably better by being grateful of things you allready have and ignoring what other people have and have nots, making own goals in life and defining a way how to get there. Having positive approach in your own life is the key.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:18 PM
a reply to: dollukka

Well said, and I am very grateful for what we have, but I agree totally. I am just wondering what people think of the situation. I don't think everyone can be happy at the same time like you said. When they throw money at one thing, they have to cut it from somewhere else in order to pay for it, so someone somewhere will always be hard done by. I don't think that there is really an answer to the problem.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:32 PM
a reply to: ImLisaFromEarth

The fact is the government have been doing something about the situation. JSA rules have been tightened up a lot. However, some of the situations you speak of are encouraged by the government themselves, such as the self-employment "scam".

As for clothes, big name brands last longer and are better quality than primark crap. I also highly doubt that they are paying full-price up front for them, they are most likely bought on credit. Or bought cheap, second-hand, they could even be fake or stolen. Don't judge someone based on what they wear. Its all assumptions.

I personally don't give a crap if a girl chooses to get pregnant to live on benefits. Its a legitimate option where we live regardless of whether we like it or not, and its her life, her choice. We were put on this earth to breed, its instinctive and we will put ourselves in the best situation we can to provide for our offspring. Some people don't have the ability to have a career, and don't want to be stuck in a pointless dead-end job. Why enforce a soul-destroying existence on someone? If you can manage it, that's good for you.

What we are talking about here really are minority situations. There are millions of people in this country so even a small fractional percentage will number in thousands, which can seem a lot to scare mongers and people with an agenda. But all but about 2 million people able to work in this country do, and most of the unemployed are not idle, playing the system. Its because they cannot find work they are able to do.

Do you really think that someone should be forced to waste what is possibly the only life they have doing a job they hate and being totally miserable? You also cannot possibly know what these people do with their time. They could be charity volunteers for example, you know, providing the services the government are being paid to but fail so others have to step in and deliver.

I do give a crap about actual benefits cheats though, and they do need to be dealt with. They give the government a reason to make life difficult for genuine claimants, and many genuine claimants lose out because they fall into "traps" set by the government, yet the cheats know their way around the traps and dont fall into them.

However what is NOT a minority situation is the amount of money pilfered by the rich and powerful. The amount of tax avoidance and evasion makes the entire benefits budget seem like peanuts. These people have played the game so well they have people like you blaming the wrong people. They have caused so much pain and misery not just in the UK, but throughout the entire world. They have such contempt for their fellow man they will go to war with other countries just to make a bit more excessive profit.

You say its the government's fault for letting them get away with it, and you are certainly right. But it is also the people's fault for letting the government get away with it too. We need to get rid of the government and replace it with some human beings with logic, sense, and compassion. Not animalistic, self-serving, greedy parasites. It won't happen though, human nature is a #ing bitch.

At the end of the day, as disgusting as the situation in this country is, we are still one of the better nations on earth. Its paradise here compared to places like Syria, Palestine and North Korea, which is even more reason we should be doing our best to keep the social security and health services we have rather than dismantling them because a small minority abuse them. And all the more reason why we should get rid of the government that is doing its best to turn this country in to the next North Korea, or dare I say it, Nazi Germany.

posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 06:41 PM
a reply to: ImLisaFromEarth

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posted on Jul, 13 2014 @ 07:50 PM
a reply to: ImLisaFromEarth

No, no don't get the wrong idea, I preferred it over saying something like "hi I'm from the UK".

Remember too that ATS is indeed somebody we know!

posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:31 AM

originally posted by: ImLisaFromEarth
Whats going wrong and why are the government ignoring everything?

Disraeli has your answer:

"Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand." ~ Benjamin Disraeli; Prime Minister of England

The problems not with the Government...

It's the satanic cult hiding BEHIND the façade of Government.

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

By adopting this chameleon strategy, this satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention. ~ Henry Makow Ph.D.

"Danny Casolaro called it "the Octopus". A vast, interlocking network of criminal conspiracy that reaches into every branch and agency of the U.S. government, many other national governments, and every sector of our societies."

Past presidents of the United States and other high profile political leaders have repeatedly issued warnings over the last 214 years that the U.S. government is under the control of an “invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”

According to six of our former presidents, one vice-president, and a myriad of other high profile political leaders, an invisible government that is “incredibly evil in intent” has been in control of the U.S. government “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” (since at least 1836). They “virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties… It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”

“A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.” – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832)

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 05:46 AM
The UK has never been able to produce enough food to feed itself. At least not since before the war. Remember how critical things became thanks to the German u-boats sinking food convoys?

Ironically a vast chunk of the food we do produce in the UK is absolutely reliant upon the cheap labour supplied by immigrants.

Get rid of the immigrants, and prepare to watch your food prices double or triple.

posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 08:37 AM
This is not people doing anything. So the reason the governments don't help is because the people are all manipulated and its the Governments and their Overlords who pull their strings that are doing all the Destruction.

And you can agree with slavery all you want but you can't force that or reliance on that for survival on people who have the right to resources from birth like all of nature and their home, land, food and can volunteer for other things. I'd look into the Venus Project because some version (grass roots run by the people and mom's/grannies , not PTB run) of this is about the legal system there is. Slavery is massively illegal and all bankers and corrupt govenrments need to be in jail.

Its not just an opinion, people's opinions when infringing on, enslaving and harming others are weaponized opinions and they answer for that in the end.

Because there are far worse lower level slave realms.

But this border crisis, and even the many on handouts instead of what I'm talking about which isn't the same thing as living on air and being lazy every day of your life, is orchestrated by a government that wants to reshape into NAU and depopulate and create crash of the system and create chaos.

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