Polarized

This thread is going to come off as offensive perhaps to some or straight forward to others. Biased for sure.

That said I used to identify with the "liberal" ideology as in the definition within the word liberal. In other words I always understood that boys will be boys and girls will be girls. If you allow those people those freedoms, without allowing them to hurt other people with their actions then allow them to do as they will to find themselves and experience true freedom.

Now a days I find myself putting myself further and further away from the "liberal" platform as they have become a burden and willingly go out of their ways to do distasteful acts and do misleading acts to sway the public opinion in their favor.

But what truly disgusts me about liberals now a days is that they have united under on banner for all that is not Holy.

By that I mean, many liberals live and thrive in densely populated metropolis areas and under one banner they have started speaking out and acting out against the so called Bible belt.

But do remember that those people you lash out against are the ones who grow the food you buy in the supermarket.

Please liberals remember that more than half of you probably don't even know how to bake a loaf of bread no less raise a crop to feed those people you love around you.

Hows that gonna work out for you?

a reply to: txinfidel
There are "liberal" farmers too.

a reply to: txinfidel

Hey txinfidel. I'm part of the growing group of people who has disassociated themselves with the dysfunction of DC politics too, and are taking things into their own hands. That's what recent political changes in Colorado, Washington, and soon Texas are about... Not one side of the tired DC liberal/conservative game taking control, but local people taking control of their own areas, with respect for ALL the people who live there, from conservative old time gun toters, to hippies/gays grooving out in their own lives not bothering anyone.

When you say "liberals have united under a banner of all that is not holy", I see someone talking who is entirely in the old school, federally controlled 2 bit way of thinking. Who's a liberal? A gay couple? A pot smoker? Are their private lives "unholy" to you? Should the federal government be putting cameras in their bedrooms to make sure they don't commit "unholy" acts like gay love or smoking a bowl? What you're going to find is that most people don't think so, and just want to live their lives in accordance with their own values, and let other people live their lives in accordance with their values. This includes leaving people with their guns too. They are not interested in a crusade to rid the earth of "unholy" people who don't vote exactly the same as them. This old game, dividing communities against themselves while the elites seize more and more power has gone on long enough, and the majority has seen through it. And you don't have to play into it either.

a reply to: txinfidel

I'm not offended by your OP. I live in farmland, they are my neighbors. Good down to earth people.

I'm finding more and more people who feel like this...



I don't blame them...do you...

Des

a reply to: tridentblue

Hi tridentblue, I definitely understand the DC politics you speak of and I agree with you.

What Ive seen on ATS however paints a different picture and I can't always be certain some people who post here and act like they are Americans really are.

But when I see people right out of the gates defaming other people calling them tea baggers or fascist republicans, it bothers me. When people claim that christians have the intent of genocide or world domination it also bothers me.

Not because I am super religious, which I am not and not because I am ultra conservative, I am not.

Theres nothing like a road trip through the south and the lower midwest that can open your eyes quite as much.

The honest truth though from what I can tell, the Bible loving south and midwest puts food on the table and God has given those folks the beauty and the burden of responsibility towards others. It should not be taken for granted. These are good people that have taken upon themselves a tremendous amount of work for the good of others and often times are treated like they are lower than dirt by the mouths they feed. This bothers me.

But at the end of the day, that doesn't matter. They will feed only those very close to them when they can not cull the Hurd. It is the people who bight the hand that feeds so to speak who will suffer the most.

a reply to: Destinyone

As long as I am speaking from my heart there is no reason anyone should be offended.

Thanks for reading and kind regards to you and yours.

originally posted by: txinfidel
a reply to: Destinyone

As long as I am speaking from my heart there is no reason anyone should be offended.

Thanks for reading and kind regards to you and yours.

Well I am offended and i'm speaking from the heart as well. I own 180 acres in the Panhandle of Texas cultivated in cotton and onions. You lay out a blanket statement that middle Americans and farmers are all conservative. I can assure you they are not. you need to get out more.

Then you try more divisive rhetoric with this statement...

But when I see people right out of the gates defaming other people calling them tea baggers or fascist republicans, it bothers me. When people claim that christians have the intent of genocide or world domination it also bothers me.

How do you feel about conservatives calling other Americans Socialists, Communists, Terrorists, pinkos, dirty hippis, bleeding hearts, chickenhawks, "people like you" , unpatriotic, etc. Yeah that bothers me as well.

Great job of trying to tear our Nation apart into partisan factions. You are doing the exact same thing you accuse the libs of doing.

That's called hypocrisy!

My farm and I will feed anyone that's hungry, I don't care what kind of label you put on them.

a reply to: txinfidel

Hey Tx, I for one think it would be an honor to live amongst the people out there, in the land of big agriculture: I mean, you look at the people around you, and they're like "Hi, we feed the entire nation". That's cool. We'd be dead without those folks.

Right now I'm in Colorado, living amongst the people out there, the land of - amongst many other things - Lockheed Martin. I look around at the people around me, and some, through silent eyes, they're like " Hi, if we feel like it, we kill people from space. Scares the heck out of me, but its a part of America too.

The point is its a complicated world in the 21st century, and we all depend on each other, for food, and avoidance of space death. There's all kinds of powers at play, but our humanity stands unique in dealing with it. We are going to be okay going forward.

What I really feel though, is the real stuff, the fundamental stuff, doesn't have to be complicated. The fundamental stuff is this:

The people who tell you you're dirt are pushing your buttons. Its that simple, that strait forward. But the only way you will ever know it is if you get out, you meet those local liberals, you give them a big smile and some kindness, and talk to them. What you'll find out is they are a lot like you. In fact the more you get out there - hell, go to San Francisco if you want - what you'll find out is that Americans are pretty much all the same. Its a very complicated game of button pushing that tells you different, that tells you to take your eyes off the power players at the top and start obsessing on your neighbours and family members with different ideas.

The evolution of America at this point is people tuning out the noise, and going out and seeing for themselves. What they're learning is that at the end of the day, we are one people, just as we always were.

a reply to: tridentblue

Trident,

I am a native Coloradan. I know exactly where you're coming from. Still don't disagree.

a reply to: olaru12

Hi Olaru, if you're offended its only because you chose to be. I did not belittle you or call you names.

But obviously you aren't reading front the OP into the traditional idea of Liberal and what the liberal movement has become.


en.wikipedia.org...

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

originally posted by: txinfidel
a reply to: olaru12

Hi Olaru, if you're offended its only because you chose to be. I did not belittle you or call you names.

But obviously you aren't reading front the OP into the traditional idea of Liberal and what the liberal movement has become.


en.wikipedia.org...

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Ok, what have the liberals become and provide a legitimate link. Not some Rush BS. Conservatives demean anyone that doesn't think like they do and you have fallen right into their ideology of hate.

Starve em out right? And you don't think that offensive? sheesh....

a reply to: olaru12

I can not link you to the obvious if you want that just go outside.

I also don't listen to Rush, nice try though.

a reply to: Destinyone
I'm not offended, either, I think it's a good post. I think a lot of people feel this way, and are confusing themselves by finding that they think "meh." to all the big party platforms.

I find myself picking and choosing my own personal platform, "I agree with that", "No to that." I do find myself siding more and more with individual freedoms. I have friends that are strongly Democrat, but enjoy their company if they 've thought out their stance, and we can have a decent conversation about it.
I strongly dislike a member of any party that just spits out platitudes and won't give me a reason why they feel that way.
I like this site because most of the people have put thought in their response when they post their thoughts on the topic; some of them, I know, just spit out what they are taught, or a knee-jerk emotional reaction, but for the most part, it's a good debate.

a reply to: olaru12

Starve em out right?

Its not their obligation to feed them. lol

If somebody starves its probably their own fault for not knowing how to take care of themselves.

ITS NOT THE PEOPLES RESPONSIBILITY OR THE GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.

originally posted by: txinfidel
a reply to: olaru12

I can not link you to the obvious if you want that just go outside.

I also don't listen to Rush, nice try though.

Yeah, as we say in Texas "All hat, no cattle" And I do listen to rush and you parrot back his ideology of racism and hate for anyone that dosent fall under his conservative spell.

Your politics of division is why most thinking Americans will not fall for the politics of hate and continue to vote for the democrats. Even with all their faults it's better than wanting to starve them out.

Do you honestly think most people are going to join the conservative movement with that mean spirited philosophy. The Republicans have lost the womens vote, the minorities vote and with out them they GOP is SOL.

a reply to: olaru12

Well then, since I don't listen to Rush its pretty hard to follow this one sided conversation we seem to be having. Because I haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Later!

a reply to: olaru12

How do you feel about conservatives calling other Americans Socialists, Communists, Terrorists, pinkos, dirty hippis, bleeding hearts, chickenhawks, "people like you" , unpatriotic, etc. Yeah that bothers me as well.

Oh please the left gives as good as they get.

Do right wingers really need to list the names they get called on a daily basis ?

DO THEY ?

a reply to: neo96

Conspiracy theory 101: How does a small group of people, working together, control a much larger group of people?

1) Prevent any situation where the larger group of people gets antagonistic toward the smaller group, because the larger group would win.
2) To do this, keep the larger group constantly antagonistic toward itself, so they don't pay attention to the smaller group.
3) Do this by identifying wedge issues, which split the larger group roughly down the middle, which different people on each side. You can call one side "red" and the other "blue".
4) Dispatch antagonistic people , to demean people from each camp with names, to reinforce their red/blue identities.
5) Do whatever the hell you want, as the voice of "moderation" and "reason" while the larger group tears itself apart.

originally posted by: txinfidel
Please liberals remember that more than half of you probably don't even know how to bake a loaf of bread no less raise a crop to feed those people you love around you.

My local co-op and the people who run it and shop there would disagree strongly (as do I). The vast majority of them are liberal and they grow the food I eat, without Monsanto and DuPont, without hormones, without government subsidies, and without corporate interference. I don't want the GMO and pesticide-laced "food" that grows in the big government-subsidized farms in this country. Thanks, anyway.

Very strange position you're taking here. I'm not offended, but I think you're misguided. I cook 98% of our meals at home, I'm making bread today and transplanting some of my garden, in fact. I really don't know where you get the idea that liberals don't know how to garden or cook...

While my political views run the gamut from conservative to liberal, most people THINK I'm liberal because of my positions on equal rights, religion in government and basic freedom to make personal choices without government interference. (ideas that USED to be conservative, by the way.)

Your thread seems to be nothing more than a liberal hit-piece, and of course, the "regulars" will prod you on and add their two cents of "yeah - nasty liberals"... If you're trying to do anything but be divisive, you've failing miserably.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: txinfidel
There are "liberal" farmers too.

My family are life-long farmers! They may be Democrats by sentiment and Republican by necessity but never liberal! On a farm there's no room to be liberal in any aspect of their business. The profit margins are too narrow for this type of thinking because you are constantly fighting bad weather and intrusive government. The government only awards subsidies to large corporate agriculture companies that can buy lobbyists so small farms are at an unfair disadvantage. They only come in to tell you what crop you can raise and how they want you to grow it...by politician that have never had dirty shoes let alone been on a farm. No LIBERALS that I've seen!