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1. Twelve thousand years ago, they invented irigated farming.
2. They invented writing.
3. They figured out how to tell time.
4. They founded modern mathematics.
5. In the Code of Hammurabi, they invented the first legal system that protects the weak, the
widow and the orphan.
6. Five thousand years ago, they had philosophers who attempted to list every known thing in the
world.
7. They were using Pythagoras's theorm, 1'700 years before Pythagoras.
8. They invented artifical building materials, some kind of pre-fab-crete stuff used to construct
high-rise towers.
9. Northern Iran, is assumed to be the place we're all descended from.
10. They were the first people to build cities and live in them.
11. For thousands of years, they wrote the greatest poetry, history and "sagas" in the world and they
still do.
12. Because they were great horse breeders, they invented the cavalry in war, Knights of the King
originate in Ancient Persia, and they invented other things like the Game of Polo (Cho-gun).
13. They invented the postal system.
14. Emperor Darius the conqueror invented and built the Suez Canal, giving access to the Persian
Navy to the Mediterranean Sea (In fact that is precisely how the Moslem armies went as far as
Spain some thousand years later).
15. The Iranian Museum in Tehran contains some of the most outstanding stone, metal and clay
sculptures and inscriptions created in the history of the world. Some of them are more than
7'000 years old. If a bomb ever hits this place, art lovers around the world will go into
mourning.
16. The first school for astronomers was established by Iranians. This is how the "wise-men" got to
be so wise. They knew how to follow the stars.
17. Beginning around 200 A.D., the Iranians found universities that exported teachers throughout
the civilized world to teach medicine, mathematics, philosophy, theology, literature and poetry
inter alia...
18. Abraham, the father of Israel, was from Persia.
19. Abraham, the father and "model" of Christian faith, was from Persia.
20. Abraham, the father of Islam, was from Persia.
21. Some 60 years ago the name of Persia was changed to Iran by the then king Reza Shah Pahlavi.
Originally posted by zurvan
Yeah please, take some time to actually understand history. Well history of your "Enemy Maybe" myabe it will help you to find the true Enemy?
Originally posted by zurvan
How big is the video?
by the way parts of Iraq up to I think tigris river used to be persia. It used to be called -the region between the two rivers- and it used to be a big persian capital in the -pre Arabic invasion- times.
take care.
Originally posted by zurvan
Hi there, now that I have your attention
any way Persians/Iranians are claiming the following points can anybody please verify them for me? or otherwise ofcourse
1. Twelve thousand years ago, they invented irigated farming.
2. They invented writing.
3. They figured out how to tell time.
4. They founded modern mathematics.
5. In the Code of Hammurabi, they invented the first legal system that protects the weak, the widow and the orphan.
6. Five thousand years ago, they had philosophers who attempted to list every known thing in the world.
7. They were using Pythagoras's theorm, 1'700 years before Pythagoras.
8. They invented artifical building materials, some kind of pre-fab-crete stuff used to construct high-rise towers.
9. Northern Iran, is assumed to be the place we're all descended from.
10. They were the first people to build cities and live in them.
11. For thousands of years, they wrote the greatest poetry, history and "sagas" in the world and they still do.
12. Because they were great horse breeders,
they invented the cavalry in war,
Knights of the King originate in Ancient Persia,
and they invented other things like the Game of Polo (Cho-gun).
13. They invented the postal system.
14. Emperor Darius the conqueror invented and built the Suez Canal,
giving access to the Persian Navy to the Mediterranean Sea
(In fact that is precisely how the Moslem armies went as far as Spain some thousand years later).
15. The Iranian Museum in Tehran contains some of the most outstanding stone, metal and clay sculptures and inscriptions created in the history of the world. Some of them are more than 7'000 years old. If a bomb ever hits this place, art lovers around the world will go into mourning.
16. The first school for astronomers was established by Iranians. This is how the "wise-men" got to be so wise. They knew how to follow the stars.
17. Beginning around 200 A.D., the Iranians found universities
18. Abraham, the father of Israel, was from Persia.
21. Some 60 years ago the name of Persia was changed to Iran by the then king Reza Shah Pahlavi.
dunno but there has always been a lot of emphasis on the Persians and Arabs advancing mathematically/scientifically loads more than the Europe in the middle ages/dark ages.
7. They were using Pythagoras's theorm, 1'700 years before Pythagoras.
The Aryan race originates from North Iran/India that is very much a fact, don't forget that Persia was much larger than Iran is now, because of the Persian empire
9. Northern Iran, is assumed to be the place we're all descended from.
10. They were the first people to build cities and live in them.
11. For thousands of years, they wrote the greatest poetry, history and "sagas" in the world and they still do.
yeh probably IraQ had some of the best universities also in the world before the gulf war.
17. Beginning around 200 A.D., the Iranians found universities that exported teachers throughout
the civilized world to teach medicine, mathematics, philosophy, theology, literature and poetry
Originally posted by sal88
The Aryan race originates from North Iran/India that is very much a fact,
marg
I Remember that Saddam was doing a restoration on the Babylonian gardens
...hence any nation in the vicinity will claim such feats and luminaries as "theirs"...
Originally posted by zurvan
Thanks for all the replys, anyways it is always good to get some non persian point of view about these things as it is very easy for one to boost their own ego so having your ideas challenged is very positive I think.
Originally posted by zurvan
ctesiphon capital of Old persia
O.K notice any lapping of areas? Most of the part that you call Sumeria shared its space with persia. So I suppose both of them can claim the title to the inventions.
So at the old times these people used to be very similar and share a lot so I think all of their achievemets can be attributed to all of them.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by zurvan
ctesiphon capital of Old persia
The capital of the persian that alexander annihilated was Persepolis nad it was deep in Iran. This is the capital of the Parthian empire, not the persians.
O.K notice any lapping of areas? Most of the part that you call Sumeria shared its space with persia. So I suppose both of them can claim the title to the inventions.
Thats rather unfair to the people that actually invented them don't you think? The Sumerians are not a persina people and didn't speak a persian language and generally have nothing to do with persia outside of persia once having extended its empire that. Might as well claim that the persians invented judaism because at one point they held the levant. Or that persians built the pyramids, because persia once held egypt. Heck, for that matter, all of modern science and philosophy is a persian invention, since it came about in Ionia, which was held by the persians. Occupied by greeks, but whats the difference right?
Yup I think with cuniform and maybe law you could be right . even then Persians would be considered fast adopters!
So at the old times these people used to be very similar and share a lot so I think all of their achievemets can be attributed to all of them.
Thats the thing, they weren't very similar and didn't share anything at all. The city dwelling urbane sumerians had little in common with the wild nomadic unsettled ancestors of the persians running around central asia at the same time.
Originally posted by zurvan
Aryans dont exist?[...]are they just like aliens that don't exist? or Germans are not real?
Yup I think with cuniform and maybe law you could be right . even then Persians would be considered fast adopters!
The historically important site of Ctesiphon, [...]
parthian persians were virtually the same. They come from one tribe!
parthia.com
The origins of the Parthian people are clouded. Strabo (xi, 515) says the first Arsaces was a Scythian man with the semi-nomadic Parni tribe, a part of the Dahi, nomads who lived along the Ochus (Tejend or lower Oxus) River, who invaded and conquered Parthia. Strabo also mentions those who claim Arsaces was a Bactrian who escaped from Diodotus after a failed revolt. Justin (xli, 1) agrees Arsaces was a Scythian. Frye's analysis is that we can believe the Parni origins, but it was more likely a migration than an invasion that brought them, and Arsaces, to Parthia. (History, p. 207) These people would not be known as Parthians until they moved southward into the Persian province of Parthava sometime before 250 B.C. Achaemenian and early Greek references to "Parthians" refer to earlier inhabitants of Parthava, not the Arsacid Parthians. (Debevoise, Political History, 2; W. M. Montgomery, Early Empires).
Mokuhadzushi
Also, modern medicine was invented in Persia
The Sumerians are probably the 'craddle of civilization', and the persians
strianissa
Personally, If I had to rebut the claims of Iraqi/Persian natives trying to masquerade as enlightened individuals
Originally posted by Strianissa
I stand corrected. Since I didn't see the context of the original information, I have to admit to being jaded by my recent ideals based on my reflection of the brutality of their punishments and oppressions of women.
However, one point that I did forget to mention is that if the Ancient Sumerian's were the original tribe of mankind (not sure about this one) or at least western civilization, then all of the descendents, which inevitably includes a huge portion of Americans can be proud of Our ancestors...just a thought.
Strianissa