ISIS & It's Religious Civil War

Let's just leave it alone people.

I hate to credit Bill Maher with anything but he made a good point on last week's show. Nothing we do is going to resolve the problem between these groups of people.

This is hundreds if not thousands of years of conflict that is now starting to boil over again. The only thing we can do is protect ourselves here at home by staying out of the situation. We've ruined enough of the middle east already with our terrible foreign policy for the last 14 years.

Furthermore these groups, largely put together and trained, supplied by 3 letter agencies of various countries, have no allegiance to anybody. Siding with any of them means we are supporting one or more of America's "enemies" over the short and long term.

Let's stop pretending that our job is the world police and that everything NATO and it's allies touch somehow turns into democratic gold.

Their track record is complete crap.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I side with you tenth. The middle east has always been a bunch of religious fanatics hell bent on destroying anything that does not side with any of the many religious views. Just about all of them are suicidal and homicidal.

I say let them go about their business and stop putting Americans and other nations armed services in danger. Its not our problem and we can not fix all the worlds problems.

It may be cold but i say let them nuke it out. I'm tired of seeing our people put in harms way for some religious war that started thousands of years ago.

We have enough problems on our own soil, lets put our focus there instead. Charity starts at home.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Let's just leave it alone people.

OR...

In an attempt to prevent the world from becoming an Islamic cess pool, we send in our own Suicide Bomber (robotic), but with a nuke that has a nominal yield of 50 megatons.

That should do the trick!

I don't anything we have done in the Middle East has ever been about "fixing" anything. It's about money and power. The us politicians and big money men couldn't care less about the people there, or likely here for that matter. Just the money.

No its NOT a religious Civil War.

Thats what those pulling the strings want you to think it is so you will all play ball.

A blind man sees no difference in skin colour or religion as a deaf man hears no difference in tongue giving an indication of location.

People need to start and wake and wake now.

Even military personnel are getting played off against each side while the mongers shake hands and secure deals with each ither.

There will be a sign

originally posted by: jazz10
No its NOT a religious Civil War.

Thats what those pulling the strings want you to think it is so you will all play ball.

A blind man sees no difference in skin colour or religion as a deaf man hears no difference in tongue giving an indication of location.

People need to start and wake and wake now.

Even military personnel are getting played off against each side while the mongers shake hands and secure deals with each ither.

There will be a sign

If it is not a religious civil war, than what is it?

These two sects of Islam have been trading blows centuries before NATO, the US or EU, Corporations, etc, etc.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

The current adults who are "radicalized" are virtually hopeless. There isn't really a clean solution to dealing with them. The only hope (barring Abrahamic faiths disappearing) is for there to be extensive propaganda initiatives in their youngest generations to promote a more global perspective and to look outside of the myopic future that many believe is their only path.

The hope lay in the children of those regions. We can't give those children hope when we bomb their families. Currently, with our actions, we are breeding extremists. Stop shooting them and hand them books, internet, and teachers. In 20 or 30 years, we would be a much different world.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Being the "world's policeman" is the cover story fed to the masses.

And who exactly are we "policing"? The US is now openly arming, training and funding Al-CIAeda/ISIS, the same guys we're supposed to go fight...

The primary reason why Western governments (predominantly the US) are continually assassinating/overthrowing leaders, installing dictators, creating radicals, attacking, invading and occupying countries in the ME is because of natural resources.

Its also about Israel's "security", war profiteering ie the Military Industrial Complex and trying to save the Federal Reserve note and the Rothschild debt based monetary system, which was the main reason for attacking Libya.

But Bill Maher is right, we do need to stop the imperialism and the never ending war-fare state. If for no other reason, because its now coming home.

Whats the saying, "a state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny".

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Thousands of years of conflict? Islam has only been around for a little over 1400 years.

originally posted by: Cuervo
with our actions, we are breeding extremists. Stop shooting them and hand them books, internet, and teachers. In 20 or 30 years, we would be a much different world.

That's the real problem Cuervo, the radicalized extremists will fight books and education more fiercely than all the bullets and bombs you could hurl at them.
At its essence lies control, using religion (by force and intimidation) to keep populations in mental chains. It is pure thought control. Nothing more.
Are suicide bombers mainly Imams?
No chance!
Some poor sap trying to impress in a man made piety competition.

A medieval patriarchal society suits egotistical power hungry men. It has been embedded in the minds of Islamic nations since bloodthirsty warlords realised how imposing divinely ordained rules kept people from thinking too much and accepting the status quo.
This is why breaking the mental bindings would be more difficult than all out war.
In agreement with what you said but its the more difficult option sadly.
Religion - retarding humanity for millennia.

originally posted by: HumansEh

originally posted by: Cuervo
with our actions, we are breeding extremists. Stop shooting them and hand them books, internet, and teachers. In 20 or 30 years, we would be a much different world.

That's the real problem Cuervo, the radicalized extremists will fight books and education more fiercely than all the bullets and bombs you could hurl at them.
At its essence lies control, using religion (by force and intimidation) to keep populations in mental chains. It is pure thought control. Nothing more.
Are suicide bombers mainly Imams?
No chance!
Some poor sap trying to impress in a man made piety competition.

A medieval patriarchal society suits egotistical power hungry men. It has been embedded in the minds of Islamic nations since bloodthirsty warlords realised how imposing divinely ordained rules kept people from thinking too much and accepting the status quo.
This is why breaking the mental bindings would be more difficult than all out war.
In agreement with what you said but its the more difficult option sadly.
Religion - retarding humanity for millennia.

I agree that it would be more difficult and, like you said, many would be more resistant to it than even bullets and bombs. But... the difference is that it would work. All out war cannot, nor ever has, worked.

The even bigger difference would be that those children seeing their family dying would see the extremists as the culprits and not our drones. That would breed children who sees the real enemy instead of breeding more extremists. If their only enemy were the ones who were religious zealots, they would grow up to hate them and not the good guys.

It's a lousy and long road but the only one that would be a permanent solution.

Its a power struggle with a thin veneer of religion to justify things to their side..

pure and simple power struggle, its not a secret many former Bath party members are with this new group.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

We knew what would happen in Iraq - this was actually predicted to happen after another power vaccum was left after any war in Iraq - and we did it anyway. We went in, knowing exactly what would happen if we did in the end.

So, that said... what US needs to do now, is be supportive of those countries like Iran and Syria in their fight against ISIS hand in hand with the Iraqis, and let them all be. This is one fight that will effect them all dramatically, so they all have a right to help put out this fire.

It's time to let them sort it out the right way, and hopefully, if we don't throw fits if Iran goes and helps them, then they will sort it out for the good of the Iraqi people... and kill off the large part of the terrorists groups.

Let's, as you say, put extra watch on our own borders, and let the world be now. Best course of action.

originally posted by: TDawgRex
If it is not a religious civil war, than what is it?

To understand what that poster is talking about you need to have some Islamic knowledge. Though it may seem that these wars are motivated by religion, they aren't. What we have are a bunch of thugs who use the Islamic label with the help of Western funding and weapons. One thing that Islam is against is taking Non-Muslims as allies. ISIS, even Al-Qaeda have done this in the past and recently. The Qu'ran actually states that if you take Jews and Christians as Allies, you become one of them. Islam disowns these types of people and therefore ISIS should not be labelled as Islamic.

These two sects of Islam have been trading blows centuries before NATO, the US or EU, Corporations, etc, etc.

That is the problem. There shouldn't be two sects of Islam and this has only played into the hands of the elite. So both sides who engage in fighting over what could be considered a disagreement about interpretation etc probably deserve to be slaughtered because they cannot uphold the 5 pillars of Islam in harmony amongst each other. They have been corrupted, both sides.

a reply to: TDawgRex
There's only one true religion as there is only one true God.

Religion was or may have been divided to preserve the truth. Having all eggs in one basket so to speak.

However I feel that the very truth has been thrown into one which focuses heavily on financial and materialistic values and goals.

Be honest.
Do you or anyone else reading and seeing headlines on the news see anything righteous or Godly?

Preying on ignorance.
There are tools of leverage been used to create divisions all of which profit financially or materialisticly those that send and sacrifice nothing but lives of others.


Soon there will be news that will come as somewhat of a revelation when military personnel will realise they are all been played off against each other. The senders need to be held accountable or those that pull their strings.

Google, AI Companies and robotic companies all trying to combine? Does this not paint a picture for you.
Military personel on all sides are all been played.
A man or group sat behind a desk with a joypad in his hand combined with technology paid for by tax payers should send alarm bells ringing.
Military personel, men and women, sons, daughters mams and dads are what make up these numbers.

The string pullers are about out of string. They dont want something that has a concience now do they.

The battel of Armageddon......isnt a religious war its a war against the system of things that has had us all facing off against each other for way, way too long.

All stand as one. All religions, ALL.

Terrorist attacks?
Bookstores?

Words like
Extremist, terrorist, militant, regime, Islamic all words following the 911 event that shifted and shaped global consciousness.

a reply to: DarknStormy

I disagree both sides have been corrupted.

Should we have split? No. The Prophet actually warned us against doing that... letting differences split us up into sects. But it happened, and now... there is simply nothing to be done about it. People should worship the way they believe is right. It is their salvation and no one elses.

But so long as there are people who are willing to condemn others for practicing differently than one another, there will be sects.

originally posted by: gladtobehere


Being the "world's policeman" is the cover story fed to the masses.

And who exactly are we "policing"? The US is now openly arming, training and funding Al-CIAeda/ISIS, the same guys we're supposed to go fight...

The primary reason why Western governments (predominantly the US) are continually assassinating/overthrowing leaders, installing dictators, creating radicals, attacking, invading and occupying countries in the ME is because of natural resources.

I would have some sympathy with that.
These regional wars are like a merry-go-round with some jumping on and some jumping off. I mean Iran is now an ally until this current event has passed, and then it will be back to the snarling and spitting and sanctioning from much of the West.
As for this ISIS bunch, I see them as nothing but terrorists if these stories about mass executions are true, they are just murderers of helpless captives, Genocidal even, something that Al Qaeda were good at in Afghanistan when allies with you-know-who in the fighting against the Russians there.
The Nazis were fond of that too, there were mass killings before WW2 even began.
Light a fire, and if nobody deals with it, it becomes a conflagration. This what ISIS is doing, they are jumping all around Africa and elsewhere making big pushes, then running after destabilising those countries. It is feck all to do with religion, but it does have purpose. What is needed to be known is who is funding all of this and why, they are likely not at any war front. This is where I differ from the OP, there is a need for a confrontation against ISIS by Western countries in the same way the French acted in Mali, if only to show that those countries are not complicit in whats going on. Russia should make itself an ally too. The last thing all right minded people in the world want is another rise of Nazism. There is also a need for media to show unequivocally in real time what is really going on, there are too many youngsters being fed disinfo along with religious fervour at an age when manipulation is so easy, and our media is so overwritten.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: TDawgRex
If it is not a religious civil war, than what is it?

To understand what that poster is talking about you need to have some Islamic knowledge. Though it may seem that these wars are motivated by religion, they aren't. What we have are a bunch of thugs who use the Islamic label with the help of Western funding and weapons. One thing that Islam is against is taking Non-Muslims as allies. ISIS, even Al-Qaeda have done this in the past and recently. The Qu'ran actually states that if you take Jews and Christians as Allies, you become one of them. Islam disowns these types of people and therefore ISIS should not be labelled as Islamic.

These two sects of Islam have been trading blows centuries before NATO, the US or EU, Corporations, etc, etc.

That is the problem. There shouldn't be two sects of Islam and this has only played into the hands of the elite. So both sides who engage in fighting over what could be considered a disagreement about interpretation etc probably deserve to be slaughtered because they cannot uphold the 5 pillars of Islam in harmony amongst each other. They have been corrupted, both sides.

Oh give me a break who do you think you are fooling? This isnt the first time islam has carried out this sort of slaughter......

Yes the west damn sure didnt help by funding and helping arm these fanatics.......but

This isnt just a west thing, this has been happening for centuries, well before the US was even a country.......

I absolutely despise the drivel that people try to make out that its "fabricated" and that "The West is making this up"

IT IS A RELIGIOUS WAR! not only between them and other religions but between themselves and their own sects in the religion itself.........

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Both sides are corrupted and though I say that I am not talking about all Muslims. The Muslims who want to live in peace and harmony are the ones who are copping the brunt of what these idiots are dishing out. A good example is how many Islamic governments and Extremist groups are in the pockets of the West. You will find that many of them are. That right there will show you who is and who isn't of Islam.