Gunman Carrying Rifles in Moncton Canada After Shooting

a reply to: _R4t_

From Moncton here, as far as I have heard he is only targeting police. I have seen stories posted on the local facebook news page from those in the lock down area saying that he has told civilians to go back inside, no aggressive attacks.
Also, as far as I know he has no military history just a love for guns and a woodsman/hunter as far as I can tell.

It is really strange here, the whole city is shut-down most schools and business are closed. No confirmed sighting since this morning. They have a zone they have locked down and cordoned off so who knows if he is in there or long gone by now.

I myself get extremely enraged at police corruption and abuse of power but this is just as bad on his part, these cops are people and have families. I feel sorry for the ones they leave behind.

Although I certainly condemn his actions I am impressed that he has not yet been caught with the amount of police here. He most certainly had this planned and I hope he hasn't planned for anything bigger.

I don't have much more information but if anyone wants a local perspective I'll try to pay attention to this thread for a while.

a reply to: Kennit

Interesting article, thanks. It paints him as a personable but nevertheless a loser with an attitude problem and a bad temper. Maybe he wants fame as this demented scenario plays itself out.

a reply to: canucks555
This story is "a" headline here in the US, but it is not "the" headline.
Had the shooting have happened here in the US, it would be the only story.
This does not mean we value Canadian life as lower than ours, there is just no political ground to be gained is all.
The idea that this can happen in a heavy gun controlled country just means that gun control can never possibly work.
Anywhere.

This article from the Canadian Press is a fantastic write-up of the situation so far. It's really put together well.

UPDATED: 'Worst nightmare' for RCMP as manhunt in fatal Moncton police shooting continues

a reply to: Amatheus

How intense is the helicopter activity? They have heat sensors on board, and if they have not been able to find anything yet, I wonder if that's what's giving rise to the rumours that he has a bunker somewhere in the woods? Plus, the cross bow is to be used for felling game, yes?

www.thestar.com...
more recently, Bourque had become close with a group of individuals who enjoyed firing guns, hunting and who worked at a survivalist equipment store, World’s End Warehouse. ....

Those were probably his handlers.

www.thestar.com...
Those who know Bourque are not particularly surprised that he has evaded the police for more than 24 hours after the manhunt began. He was someone with “lots of tactical knowledge” said one acquaintance who spoke to the Star on condition of anonymity. “I think he should be considered military-trained,” the friend said....

Oh yeah, he was trained all right. By the experts.

a reply to: aboutface

The helicopter activity is not very intense and I believe it is a type of plane that has the heat sensor on it. Though I should mention I am across the river and there is very little police activity over here. From what I can tell though the helicopters haven't given too much of an advantage.

It is a large area with different environments, lots of dense forest, commercial/busy area, suburban housing and the main highway even passes through there. Lots of places for one man to hide.

I have also heard that he has a large collection of firearms but none were found at his residence. It is possible that he had stashed them in strategic places and has bunkers or hunter blinds.

It's dark again, night two, and raining now.

originally posted by: g146541
a reply to: aboutface
You are correct, the thread is not about Kelly Thomas or the many other who have been beaten and or murdered by the police.
It is unfortunate when anyone loses a loved one. For the police though, this is what they signed on for allegedly.
I would imagine not too many folks are "terrified" of the guy as long as they don't wear a cool shiny star.
The guy seems to operate on his own code, there is honor there.
Considering the guy went into the situation understanding this is a David vs Goliath situation, he must go asymmetrical.
The cops understand this now, the ending will not be a good one.
Sanity, allowing those who are supposed to protect us kill us?
Maybe some good can come from this, maybe cops will become more accountable for their actions.
In time, they might regain the public trust.

Perhaps there needs to be an elaboration of a subtle but perhaps important difference here. In Canada we don't know them as LEOs but as their own driver's licenses state, they are peace officers. Sure it may boil down to semantics, but the attitude of one is protection while of the other it is enforcement. Perhaps we ought to consider how the attitude above your northern border 'generally' considers them as protectors still, though there are a few exceptions. We do speak out and complain and demand change when something is not right and try to hold them to account. In general though, I have a feeling that our relations with the police is better on our side of the border than yours is.

why arent we hearing anyone asking him to turn himself in?

Maybe someone should start a Social Media Crowd-Appeal for him to turn himself in.

Maybe the people should try to stop his execution by trying to give him a way out.

You dont have to stay off social media as the police are asking,just dont talk about the things they requested,you can still talk to each other and come together to try to give this guy an out so we can all learn the facts and so we can all see justice instead of an execution.

In the olde days lawmen hunted criminals down to bring them to justice and sometimes lost their lives doing so,today as with this case they do not seek to bring anyone to justice they seek to sumarrily execute them on the spot.

By now we should be hearing about Armored cars without SWAT teams driving around telling him they have pulled back and that he needs to turn himself in.

They need to park an armored car out there with open doors he can surrender himself into ,one he can lock himself into so he isnt murdered,i mean if no one is actively trying to get him to turn himself in then this is a real MANHUNT with a murder at the end of it.

I do not see any Headquarters with negotiators or any effort to bring him to justice,just a pre-meditated murder being actioned via conspiracy.

If there is no effort to get him into custody at least as strong as the effort to hunt him down and kill him then this is a murder in progress and someone needs to intervene this is not Afghanistan.We have a Justice system Canada is not murder incorporated.

a reply to: one4all

Ever hear of Albert Johnson? The Mad Trapper of Rat River has been compared to this guy more than once since this tragedy began.

a reply to: one4all

Well said bthough sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire too. More lives lost is too much to bargain with. He should give himself up, they should give him the oppurtunity too as well, yes. But than what? He goes to maximum security holiday inn surronded by like minded individuals to continue his tactics. If they wish him dead that's awesome and I hope it comes true. One less man like him in the world means more than you know to those weeping for lost ones. Humanity is better off without him because yesterday 3 officers, what if this fool has a bomb?

originally posted by: g146541
a reply to: aboutface

The guy seems to operate on his own code, there is honor there.
Considering the guy went into the situation understanding this is a David vs Goliath situation, he must go asymmetrical.
The cops understand this now, the ending will not be a good one.
Sanity, allowing those who are supposed to protect us kill us?

Allow me to differ with you.

The term honor has always been a word used to describe men and women of high moral worth or great achievement. It can be used as either a noun or verb, and in many different settings. People graduate from college with honor, meaning they have outstanding grades. A woman of honor is pure and decent. Soldiers are buried with full military honors, which means they are given gun salutes and trumpet calls and the nation's fullest respect.

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He may be sticking to his scenario, but there is no sanity in enacting a scenario that brings dishonour on his entire family, betraying his upbringing and the values of his community. The only ones who will pay him respect after all this is over are those anarchist types who see this as something to emulate because he is singlehandedly taking on 'the man'.

As for "sanity allowing those who are paid to protect us kill us?" --what kind of twisted logic are you applying to this situation here? It's a kill and/or be killed game he's playing, and a mighty sick one. It is yes, insane, since he is the one who deliberately began that antisocial/violent/ need I go on? situation that has no good outcome.

Please, rethink your definitions of honour and sanity. Maybe you meant 'congruent'?

originally posted by: starviego

www.thestar.com...
more recently, Bourque had become close with a group of individuals who enjoyed firing guns, hunting and who worked at a survivalist equipment store, World’s End Warehouse. ....

Those were probably his handlers.

Or simply his friends. some people have them.

Looks like they got him!?

originally posted by: Amatheus
Looks like they got him!?

That's what I'm hearing on Facebook from people with RCMP sources!

So many conflicting reports! Waiting on official confirmation..

CTV News is currently reporting on TV that RCMP said any official statement would come from their Twitter account.

RCMP New Brunswick

OK, I'm heading to bed. Crossing my fingers the rumours are true and he was caught.

And on my way, I read that the Moncton police scanner just called all units back to the Moncton Coliseum. Sounds like he's been apprehended. ALIVE, I might add, if this is legit. Just to point out to whomever was posting about bad cops earlier that we do things differently up here.

RDI claims he has been arrested in the security perimeter, about 24-26 hours after it began. Apparently chased and caught as he moved about? Yea, a huge relief for everyone.

Michelle Thibodeau lives in the Hildegard (?) subdivision and between her house and the highway behind are thin rows of trees where Bourque was moving about. She described how the SWAT team took five minutes to locate him behind a tree, no shots fired, whereupon he said "I'm done." They put him down on Michelle's lawn and cuffed and searched him. No shots fired. Arrested at 12:10 peacefully. Michelle said that thanks to all the heavy rain, Bourque emerged from her back yard dripping wet.

RIP to the slain, and sincerest condolences to those mourning.