Baker Forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

a reply to: Annee

excellent point, not to mention, it wasn't even a wedding the gay couple were partaking in. if he was fine selling them cake otherwise, he should've been selling them a wedding cake for no other reason than it wasn't for a wedding.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: begoodbees

well i think this is truly a case of do unto others, to be frank and honest. if you were that person instead of who you are today, would you want to be treated like that? most likely not.

Well, honestly if it were me, I probably would have made the cake (business is business) but that's not really the point. The point is the right to choose what we as individuals believe is right and wrong and the freedom to act accordingly.

I get bashed on a lot without being gay and many people don't like me because of my opinions and beliefs and that's ok with me. It seems to me that unless one is a die hard christian or a die hard atheist one will always be at odds with this society. Since I won't choose along those lines I have a very limited appeal and that's ok with me.

"I am a rock, I am an island"

but enough about me.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Annee

excellent point, not to mention, it wasn't even a wedding the gay couple were partaking in. if he was fine selling them cake otherwise, he should've been selling them a wedding cake for no other reason than it wasn't for a wedding.

Yes. And I believe the judge did take that into consideration (from what I've read, although I have not read the transcript)

And some dog owners do take the wedding of their dogs very seriously. Probably more seriously then some humans.

"Baker Forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training"

Sorry, which level of Dante's Inferno are we in again, i forgot?

originally posted by: macman

Man, you sure got one excuse after another to justify removing rights of someone, to give extra rights to someone else.

I live in both Southern California and Southern Arizona.

I can live my lifestyle as I please in either state according to their state laws.

Would you like to see my open carry permit (no longer required) from AZ and my Medical *** license to smoke in CA.

I'm sure you can find a place for you.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

You know mac, I'm going to talk directly TO YOU for a minute.

Finally............. as I thought I had lost your attention in this matter.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
About 90% of what you post in response to me is empty, over-generalized rhetoric. Why is that so? Because it is. There are facts that exist outside of your opinions. When you post these little meaningless sniping quips like "oh, because you say so" you sound like a little kid in their first argument at kindergarten.

Yeah, funny thing is, that you respond to them.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Your style looks impressive, because you go to the trouble (*mumble* OCD *mumble*) to cut and paste every little comment and take up screen, but really, you're just making snide low-content pokes and wasting space. Not to mention, quite often you're simply reversing or denying your own statements, for example ...

Acccctually. I do it so I can address relative points together. Kind of like "bullet points".
But, thanks for taking the time to diagnose me with OCD. You know, I knew this guy once once who had OCD so bad, that if you would just move something slightly in his house, he would end up with a migraine for a day. This would cause him to retreat to his room, darken all of his windows and stay in there until it was gone. No aspirin or Motrin would help. He just had to remove himself from the situation and hope that it all went back to normal.
Poor guy.

Hey, do you like bikes? I like bikes. I also have a rock.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
To compare "sensitivity training" to re-education camps is merely lurid exaggeration.

Oh really??? Because you say so. Or because it hits home and it is the Govt forcing someone to go to a class to make them right?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
You know it. I know it. Anyone who reads knows it. But, that's what passes for discussion and debate these days.

I do know this???? Wow, I must have missed that part.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
To compare sensitivity training to "re-education camps" is utterly ludicrous.

Just as the Govt forcing someone to the course I guess.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
To compare it to totalitarianism is quite simply beyond the pale.

The pale of what? A white horse?
It is funny that you mention pale, as that guy, with the OCD, was always pretty pale. Probably because of the amount if time he spent in darkness. Wondering if he would ever like to have had a sun tan. That would suck, to not be able to be tan, just because you live in the dark, due to OCD caused migraines.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Additionally of note, macman, YOU MADE THE COMPARISON that the (assumed) heterosexual employees of the baker in sensitivity training were somehow being "re-educated to be homosexual."
Your words, mac, not mine. I have sex with men anytime I want to ... so I don't have to fantasize about it ... what's your excuse?

Oh really??? Can you please provide that quote? Since you know, I in fact stated such a thing.
I imagine a "Clockwork Orange" style of CO State mandated program for this baker, to set him straight.
I mean, we can't have people, business owners for that matter, thinking that they can't agree with a minority of people, or.....a poll taken of 500 some voters in CO. We need to get them thinking correctly.
Wonder if that OCD guy would be able to handle that type of training. Or if his migraine would interfere with the successful re-educa....I mean sensitivity training.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I find posts that are empty of content utterly ridiculous. This schtick is really utterly predictable.

Well, if you think that is predictable, you should catch my show in the 4th hour. It is totally new material and I may have a guest performer.

And as always, please tip your waitress.

a reply to: Annee

Charging someone more is not illegal. You may want to consort your laws.

I have done it numerous times, for many different reasons.

Seems that I can raise the price, and not be compelled to advise anyone why that price was raised.

At least not until I am re-educated.

originally posted by: Annee

I live in both Southern California

Well, there is your first problem.

originally posted by: Annee

and Southern Arizona.

I can live my lifestyle as I please in either state according to their state laws.

Well, that is great.
I assume everyone else can??? Or are we back to thinking that your rights trump mine?

originally posted by: Annee
Would you like to see my open carry permit (no longer required) from AZ and my Medical *** license to smoke in CA.

I'm sure you can find a place for you.

Is this a game of "show me yours, show you mine"?
Not really sure where you are taking this.
Are you hitting on me??

This one time, I went to a local club on a Friday. Thursdays were electronic music night. I had DJ'ed there, and provided security as well, and the owner was a good friend of mine and the group of people I hung out with.
Friday nights were in fact Gay night. I really didn't notice this, and we went as a group, with my GF at the time, and I proceeded to be hit on by a couple guys. I loved the fact that they would purchase me drinks, and then get bent out of shape when I would introduce my GF. Had a great time getting drunk, I know longer drink though, and not having to pay for that.

Are you going to offer me a drink??

a reply to: Metallicus

just go to another bakery , let the market decide if the man is right or wrong . you can't force someone to believe what you want them to believe

a reply to: OrphanApology

good point , who knows what would happen to that cake in retaliation

originally posted by: begoodbees
This cannot be compared to racism. being black or white is a physical characteristic one is born with. Homosexuality is a learned behavior just like many other forms of perversion (look it up, it is by definition a perversion). I have yet to meet a gay baby.

Can you quote any reliable scientific studies that state that homosexuality is a learned behavior? Because there are multitudes that state that sexual preference is directly related to genetic inheritance and both pre- and post-natal development. Here's a link to approximately 289,000 citations regarding the scientific facts of the matter.

Being gay has not been considered (except by religious zealots) a "perversion" since the 70s by any medical, psychological or scientific opinion, and the fact that it was so considered before that in this country is merely a sign of how backward we were (and many of us still are) in many ways.

originally posted by: begoodbees
This is bigotry in it's purest form. The gays and their supporters are absolutely intolerant of any point of view but their own. Instead of live and let live, (which by the way is how most people who oppose homosexuality have usually approached the subject) it is in your face, comply and consent or be persecuted/penalized.

This is also quickly becoming a fascist movement.

Yeah, this is another right-wing fabrication being repeated over and over and over in the media echo-chamber until the dim-witted start repeating it like holy writ. EDIT: Oh, plus Bill Maher. Guess the ratings were slipping) The gay movement has for years only acted on behalf of being treated equally and that remains true today. The fact that we are continually having to fight for the most basic rights that any of you enjoy (going into a store that sells cakes to buy a cake, for example) proves that there remains excellent reason to "be in your face" about it. I'm sure that there are many that would like us to simply shut up and stop demanding equal rights.

No one requires your consent to be an American citizen, a citizen of a State, city, town, etc., with all the rights appertaining thereto. That's your problem, you think that equality is something you or the culture at large "bestows" or "grants" to minority groups ... and I really love the implicit threat that somehow if "we" don't sit down and shut up and stop making noise about prejudicial, unfair, (and in this case ILLEGAL) treatment, public opinion is going to "against us" somehow.

originally posted by: begoodbees
The guy was not discriminating against these people. He would not make such a wedding cake for anyone, not just them. If I asked for one he would have refused me as well. Now if they asked for a cheesecake instead, I am sure he would have obliged, whether they were gay or not.

This is also not about equality. We have all (gays/straights) always had the same rights. No one has ever had the right to marry who or what they love.

A man cannot marry a goat, even if he and said goat are in love. Is that discrimination?

A man cannot marry a child, even if he and said child are in love. Is that discrimination?

I'll skip the people that would like to marry their furniture. (yes it is true)

This is all about moral corruption being imposed on us and more importantly our children. Yes morals and ethics go hand and hand. You cannot have one without the other because for all practical purposes they are one in the same.

This is not being done for us, it is being done to us. All part of the master plan to turn us into mindless animals.

"Do what thou wilt" comes to mind.

Yep, I think you gathered in every stupid stereotype possible associated with opponents of marriage equality. Goats and kids and easy chairs are not legally competent human beings capable of entering into legal contracts, like say marriage.

Your comments are absolutely incorrect at best and intentionally dishonest at worst. The idea that gay and lesbian Americans have always had the "same rights" as every other American is absolute, utter, tee-total FECAL MATTER.

I'm sure that you'd like to rewrite history in your bigoted image, but you're not going to get to. You're right, the majority is beginning to require that everyone be treated equally before the law. Your mindset is becoming archaic.

Scary, isn't it?

originally posted by: jed001
a reply to: Metallicus

just go to another bakery , let the market decide if the man is right or wrong . you can't force someone to believe what you want them to believe

Uh, NO!

My mom, polio 51/52 epidemic. 10 pound brace, 2 Kenny Sticks (type of crutch), 3 kids under 9 in tow -- has to scout around town to find a restaurant that will accept her. One where the owner doesn't feel he'll catch her disability.

Oh yeah! Fact prior to Federal Disability Act. I know. I was with her.

No one should be subject to this kind of discrimination. If you're a business you serve everyone the same.

double edged sword.

There's being entitled to your beliefs and not being FORCED to do something.

Then there's treating everyone with respect and equality. And if THAT's what is being forced, I can't see how it's a bad thing.

The training is a bit extreme though. Fat load of good that's gonna do.

a reply to: Annee

Annee, how many times do you think we have to say that it's not about anyone's beliefs, it's about a) public accommodation and b) the laws of the State of Colorado?

I'm guessing another 50 or 60 million times, eh?

Thanks for fighting the fight in the face of apparently unmitigated ignorance!

originally posted by: Annee

Actually, in this case it was a marriage equality activist who called and asked for the dog wedding cake.

Lol I could have guessed as much, but didn't because I didn't want to jump to conclusions.

a reply to: thesaneone

So, public schools, DUI schools ... any efforts at increasing knowledge, awareness and cooperation mandated by law is equivalent to a "re-education camp"?

Sorry, that's a crock of hooey.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Annee, how many times do you think we have to say that it's not about anyone's beliefs, it's about a) public accommodation and b) the laws of the State of Colorado?

I'm guessing another 50 or 60 million times, eh?

Thanks for fighting the fight in the face of apparently unmitigated ignorance!

I know.

In every recent legal marriage equality challenge by Christians (NOM), the judge/court states religious belief does not have standing.

If that's not clear, I don't know what is.

a reply to: Gryphon66

now don't get me wrong, cause i think he shoulda sold the guy the cake regardless if it was for a real wedding or not,
but yeah government learning institutions are re-education camps where they take you or your children and tell you what to think, how to behave, what to believe, and etc. come now, if the school system was run by a bunch of conservatives you'd be chanting this mantra from the highest rooftop. lol

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a reply to: undo

Have you ever heard of the Texas State School Board? C'mon, if I haven't clammered onto the rooftop for that I never will.

I have no problem with conservatives. Conservatives have opinions that they can back-up with facts, or at least fact-based opinions.

I have a problem with ignorant intransigent bigotry.