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In 1977 the artist Anna Sofaer visited Chaco Canyon as a volunteer recording rock art. There she recorded petroglyphs on Fajada Butte at what is now called the Sun Dagger site, now perhaps the most famous site in Chaco Canyon, located at a southeastern facing cliff near the top of Fajada Butte. She noted three large stone slabs leaning against the cliff which channel light and shadow markings onto two spiral petroglyphs on the cliff wall. On her second visit she saw a "dagger of light" bisecting one of the spirals.[3] At about 11:15 AM. on the summer solstice a dagger-shaped light form pierces the larger of the two spirals (Sofaer, Zinser and Sinclair 1979, p. 285). Similar sun daggers mark the winter solstice and equinoxes [Sofaer, Zinser and Sinclair 1979, p. 286] At one extreme in the moon’s eighteen- to nineteen-year cycle (the lunar minor standstill), a shadow bisects the larger spiral just as the moon rises; and at its other extreme, nine-and-a-half years later (the lunar major standstill), the shadow of the rising moon falls on the left edge of the larger spiral.(Sofaer, Sinclair and Doggett 1982, p. 43) In each case these shadows align with pecked grooves (Sofaer and Sinclair 1987, pp. 48 – 59). Due to the slabs settling, the "dagger of light" does not cross through the center of the spiral anymore during the summer solstice.[4]
originally posted by: Expat888
Interesting .. and great job with the pics .. always wondered why the anasazi vanished had heard a few theories to it ... looking at the pics it could provide further clue as to why they suddenly vanished ..
S&F
originally posted by: Degradation33
I think as cool as petroglyphs are, imagination will always be tainted by confirmation bias. You see what you want to. The spiral could be anything. A shield, the sun, or otherwise. It may have well been a symbol for something very mundane (and firmly representative) of something here on earth. You just don't know without the Anasazi to English rosetta stone. As most of these are representations of humanoid figures and animals my confirmation bias concludes that all seen is equally as boring and earthbound.
originally posted by: CirqueDeTruth
Your thread strengthens my resolve to want to tour and visit this site myself.
Immediately after hearing about your trip - I hit the internet to see if there were any areas in Michigan itself to explore. I was surprised to find, and I never knew this! There is! In Sanilac Country in the thumb of Michigan. Now I'm on my husband about taking one of our camping trips there - and explore the site! Very inspirational. Someday - my children will be grown and my husband and I will walk the same Chaco Canyon trail that you did!
From my perspective, frame of experiences - I see a connection to a spiritual or other world and evidence of the same phenomenon we too experience this very day! They were experiencing it too! Then. They may have called these entities kachina's and deities and such... and today we say UFO's and aliens - people seeing non - human entities - portals. It's just so... obvious.
At least it is, to me.
CdT
originally posted by: nugget1
Good job, Ros! S&F!
The Anasazi vanishing without a trace has always fascinated me. I lived just outside of Prescott, Arizona for a time, and was able to see many sites. I was amazed by the similarities of their petroglyphs , those here in Idaho and others around the world. It's almost as if there was a universal language that has been lost to humanity.
Looking at the 'spaceship', to me it resembles more a portal through which the gods placed man and animals on earth. The portal may have become smaller, so the majority of humans only access/find it at the moment of death.
originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Rosinitiate
oh I get you. I wasn't speaking of you specifically. You did not make any such jumps. It was more a commentary that reading glyphs and relating them to a modern interpretaion is highly flawed. What I call the "Tsoukalos delusion."
No offense intended toward your OP. I have done much glyph hunting myself in and around Phoenix (Hohokam). I just remember everyone with me saw something different all reflective of a preexisting view.
originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
I suggest that petroglyphs that have squiggles and spirals among other things and demon like figures in them, are the result of the "artist" having taken hallucinagenics. Whether it was mushrooms or peyote or similar.
This could explain why there are similar 'glyphs in different parts of the world.
originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
I suggest that petroglyphs that have squiggles and spirals among other things and demon like figures in them, are the result of the "artist" having taken hallucinagenics. Whether it was mushrooms or peyote or similar.
This could explain why there are similar 'glyphs in different parts of the world.
originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Rosinitiate
First off, vandalism at these sites really ticks me off.
The "mountain scene" - the one glyph I can see as out of place is the "spaceship". The animals are all moving away from it. It reminds me of the "thunderbird", as depictions of this usually included a similar motif of "run away". However the form doesn't fit any thunderbird representation in existence. Of course the previous is taking on assumption it's part of the original. If it is, very strange. But with so much added "glyphs" I can't determine anything for certain or if this is not a simple mountain scene.
The lower one (colored) reminds me of their deities/sky spirits/animal spirits. Perhaps it's showing an ascending order of importance or chronological history. Maybe the placement is random, or perhaps it is a family tree of sorts for their pantheon of sky gods.