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Better minds than mine have seen the implied word "gay" to be an adjective modifying both "relationships" and "beliefs."
I rate being able to express one's relationships and beliefs above an extra word for 'happy'.
originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: Jonjonj
Dear jonjonj,
You're probably right, but may I beg forgiveness on the grounds that no less a figure than our own eminent scholar OrphanApology has said this:
Better minds than mine have seen the implied word "gay" to be an adjective modifying both "relationships" and "beliefs."
I rate being able to express one's relationships and beliefs above an extra word for 'happy'.
Dark waters, indeed.
Indeed, murky one could almost say, however the use of the article `a` preceding the word gay definitely indicates a noun needed to be here to me, especially when no other noun is evident. As such I cling to my rod of comfort , as it were, and land the fish. Better a bird in the hand etc...
With respect,
Charles1952
originally posted by: smithjustinb
fag 2 (fæɡ)
— n
1. ( Brit ) a slang word for cigarette
dictionary.reference.com...
Sometimes you hear people (usually British people) say they want to "suck a fag". Nothing derogatory or obscene about that. They're just saying they, "want to go smoke a cigarette."
originally posted by: OpenEars123
originally posted by: smithjustinb
fag 2 (fæɡ)
— n
1. ( Brit ) a slang word for cigarette
dictionary.reference.com...
Sometimes you hear people (usually British people) say they want to "suck a fag". Nothing derogatory or obscene about that. They're just saying they, "want to go smoke a cigarette."
I'm British and I've never heard anyone say that want to 'suck' a fag.
I've heard people say "can I bum a fag?"
I was in a bar in Dallas once and my English mate said it to me. He got some funny looks! :-)
originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: Pinke
How do I forgive the Gay movement for taking the word? They don't want to be forgiven, they will continue keeping it to themselves, a need for forgiveness never enters their minds.
A dialogue to prove people wrong about what?
I assume I should start calling Straights "Normal." And those who have a fear of "Normal" should , naturally, be called "Perverts."
I'm trying to show you, and everyone else that words matter, and some of the words appropriated by the Gay movement have caused hurt and division.
I'm actually "Raising Public Awareness" and demanding my human rights. (Does that show you how it sounds to the other side?)
I've been told that Gays have been everywhere for thousands of years. Are you trying to tell me that in all those ages, no gay has come up with a word for their relationships and beliefs until the middle of the 20th Century?
The use of gay to mean "homosexual" was in origin merely an extension of the word's sexualised connotation of "carefree and uninhibited", which implied a willingness to disregard conventional or respectable sexual mores.
originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: charles1952
Should we now call homophobia homo hating? What about fag fear?
an extremely strong DISLIKE or fear of someone or something
INTOLERANCE or aversion for
That's the question I hadn't quite formulated. Hmmm, we need some kind of negative, ugly term to describe the hatred one group has for the other. It should be relevant to the Western world.
Should we now call homophobia homo hating? What about fag fear?
....
We need terms for these phenomena. Call it what you want, but the meaning will remain constant.
A rose is still a rose by any other name my friend
"Straight" had been used for a very long time to indicate "strict," "moral," "upright," and "honest." There's no "innuendo" involved.
What about straight? No one complained about the change of meaning for that word into heterosexual innuendo ever.
Good! I don't want them to, and never did. The terrible sin demanding penance is the mauling of the word "gay."
Gay people don't generally apologize for being gay.
Awwww, that's too bad. I've been told that my dancing is well above average.
Well you're having a dialogue now. You tell me what it's about. What do you want Pinke to actually do? (No dancing)
I assume I should start calling Straights "Normal." And those who have a fear of "Normal" should , naturally, be called "Perverts."
If that is what you want to express to me, go crazy. No one is stopping you from attempting to enforce normative behaviours. I'll tell you that you're being intellectually obtuse and get on with my life.
I'm actually "Raising Public Awareness" and demanding my human rights. (Does that show you how it sounds to the other side?)
Not particularly. No one has taken away your right to decide what words mean.
Either I'm missing something, or you need to revisit the origin of the word:
The use of gay to mean "homosexual" was in origin merely an extension of the word's sexualised connotation of "carefree and uninhibited", which implied a willingness to disregard conventional or respectable sexual mores.
Like most words revolving around that subject, it appears it originates from stereotype and moral judgement rather than reference to a relationship. I'm at a loss how you can imagine gay people taking ownership and enforcing the use of a word around the 17th century. Pretty sure 17th century western culture didn't have rainbow orgs.