crime statistics now out for 2012... Surprising to some no doubt..

Not much has changed since the last time these statistics were released showing the numbers for 2011. Breitbart reported on the latest stats from the FBI:

With newer crime statistics now out for 2012, Breitbart News can report that more people are killed each year with fists and hammers than are killed with rifles or shotguns.

According to the FBI, there were a total of 625 murders committed with rifles and shotguns in 2012. That breaks down to 322 murders that were rifle related and 303 that were shotgun related.

The total number of deaths committed with fists, hammers, and other blunt objects was 1,196. That breaks down to 518 murders related to hammers and blunt objects and 678 related to fists.

Taken together, the rate of murder by fists and hammers was nearly 100 percent higher than the rate of murder by rifles or shotguns.

The hand gun statistic was not included obviously.. However it is interesting that the demonetization of long guns is always the hot topic... Living overseas we can own a pistol and can even buy a .22 rifle.. Nothing of a larger caliber in a rifle.. Pistols are whatever you can afford and are 3 to 4 times more expensive than the states; ammo is out of sight price wise.. Keeps the riff raft (not-very-well-off-money-wise) from owning, however the well off can pretty much afford and do whatever.. Why? Government/military will always seek the advantage in fire power. Just an observation from my part of the world right or wrong.
lastresistance.com...

originally posted by: 727Sky

The hand gun statistic was not included obviously..

And Breitbart once again spins the facts to support his preferred narrative. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about "uninfringed" gun ownership...

...but we don't need this guy's "help". Breitbart has a transparent political agenda in almost every story produced, which are invariably manipulated in a manner which leads me to believe he must think we're all stupid.

I suppose he's partly right. I can hear the NRA dupes chanting "told ya so" already, when the implied conclusions drawn from these statistics are completely unfounded and therefore meaningless.

a reply to: 727Sky

Weapons 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Total 14,224 13,752 13,164 12,795 12,765
Total firearms: 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,653 8,855
Handguns 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,251 6,371
Rifles 380 351 367 332 322
Shotguns 442 423 366 362 303
Other guns 81 96 93 97 110
Firearms, type not stated 1,825 1,828 1,933 1,611 1,749
Knives or cutting instruments 1,888 1,836 1,732 1,716 1,589
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 603 623 549 502 518
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 875 817 769 751 678
Poison 9 7 11 5 12
Explosives 11 2 4 6 8
Fire 85 98 78 76 85
Narcotics 34 52 45 33 35
Drowning 16 8 10 15 13
Strangulation 89 122 122 88 89
Asphyxiation 87 84 98 92 105
Other weapons or weapons not stated 999 904 872 858 77

FBI


We see a overall drop in murder.

8,855 killed by guns

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: 727Sky

The hand gun statistic was not included obviously..

And Breitbart once again spins the facts to support his preferred narrative. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about "uninfringed" gun ownership...

...but we don't need this guy's "help". Breitbart has a transparent political agenda in almost every story produced, which are invariably manipulated in a manner which leads me to believe he must think we're all stupid.

I suppose he's partly right. I can hear the NRA dupes chanting "told ya so" already, when the implied conclusions drawn from these statistics are completely unfounded and therefore meaningless.

Umm you talk about Andrew Breitbart as if he is alive.
He has been dead for some time now.
Like two years dead.

originally posted by: bjax9er

Umm you talk about Andrew Breitbart as if he is alive.
He has been dead for some time now.
Like two years dead.

Oops.

Doesn't seem to have affected "their" perspective on things, nor the validity of what I wrote.

RIP, Drew. Sorry, man.

a reply to: LDragonFire

Your numbers really make a different point than the article.

Year 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Total 14,224 13,752 13,164 12,795 12,765
Total firearms: 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,653 8,855
Total non-firearms: 4,696 4,553 4,290 4,142 3,910

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: bjax9er

Umm you talk about Andrew Breitbart as if he is alive.
He has been dead for some time now.
Like two years dead.

Oops.

Doesn't seem to have affected "their" perspective on things, nor the validity of what I wrote.

RIP, Drew. Sorry, man.

well it's quite clear you have no idea what "their" perspective is.
so what you wrote has no validity whatsoever.

a reply to: Elton

Exactly however the point of the article IMO was to point out the much demonized long guns such as the AR or anything painted in black or even a shotgun falls behind hammers and fist.. Shootings have been on a decline as per the statistics show yet, unless one looked at the official counts, who could guess so ?

originally posted by: bjax9er

well it's quite clear you have no idea what "their" perspective is.
so what you wrote has no validity whatsoever.

So they're not manipulating facts to support their preferred narrative?

a reply to: Elton

I copied and pasted directly from the fbi website....

oh ok I see you added the total.

If someone wants to kill someone else, they do not need a gun, as this data shows. Guns do not affect the crime rate for this reason. If guns were illegal the criminals wouldn't say "aww, dang, I guess we can't do that crime now." No way. They would either procure guns illegally or just use another weapon. The statistic I would be interested in is that which shows how many crimes were stopped by firearms.

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

Depending on which reference you want to use crimes are stopped by showing/using a gun somewhere between 750,000 and 1.2 million every year in the states. The numbers are vague because those who have to pull a gun to stop a B.G. are not always reported. Anyway those are the figures I saw last year.