Town's White Police Official Calls Obama N-word - Refuses to Apologize

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
When this goes to court and they're trying to prosecute this man for something,

Court? Prosecute? For what? He committed no crime. The only thing in question is that he's an elected official and they can't fire him. So they have to force him to resign or have a vote of no confidence.

You come to the defense of the racist.

Oh brother ..you always do that .. insinuate someone is a racist ...
Same old same old from you

a reply to: FlyersFan

By using that word he did disparage a group of people. Just so I'm clear, you're saying his right to freedom of speech and privacy (in a public setting) trumps the waitresses rights to use her freedom of speech to inform people what he said?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: benrl
A person with a private opinion, who holds an elected public office, making statements in a Public establishment,

He was speaking to a friend in a private conversation .. not 'making public statement's' ...

Free speech, does not mean freedom from consequences from said speech,

Ya'll keep going back to that. He didn't make a public statement. He said one word about one politician in private and a busy-body listened in and reported what was said to the press. So you are grabbing the torches and pitchforks over that? really? Seems like that's not really free speech at all.

Bull, he was in a restaurant.

I don't care what was going on, Hes too stupid to know you don't use racial slurs where people could hear?

Pitch fork? I am saying the public has a right to a response to any statement a public figure makes.

If your too stupid too know that people might find offence from a Police officer using a racial slur... He shouldn't have a gun.

Ill be the first to tear down OBAMA, Ill be the first to call a cop on their BS as well.

A man with a gun, with the right to shoot you on sight, should be held to the Highest moral accountability and standards.

This is not Faux outrage,

This is righteous anger at the IGNORANCE of someone we put in charge of Innocent until proven GUILTY.

THE POLICE STATE IS already getting jack booted thug enough, with out adding personally racist to the mix.

IF HE CALLED BUSH A CRACKER, I WOULD WANT HIS HEAD ON A PIKE.

OR used any other derogatory term he shouldn't have a gun and badge.

I don't know flyers fan, Maybe I just grew up with too many friends getting hurt because of cops with similar views to tolerate it at all.

But thats besides the point, as an elected official, his fate is in the hand of the electorate.


ETA:

And for the obtuse crowd, I AM PURPOSEFULLY USING A SLUR AS A POINT.

DEFEND MY FREE SPEECH, or TEAR ME DOWN FOR IT.

IT WILL BE THE CONSEQUENCES OF ME USING THAT TERM.

I may not expect (or assume) privacy at a restaurant...but, I will expect (and assume) that words will be used properly.

Unless this guy has a history of assuming superiority (or inferiority for the other person) based on skin colour...well, then there just isn't enough proof for me to jump on the 'racist' bandwagon.

Saying something derogatory about an individual person, regardless of what is said, then it isn't actually racism...assholism, sure, but not racism.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

No, his right to free speech is not intact according to what you are stating.

How so? You're not confusing free speech with some non-existent freedom from consequence are you?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
He hasn't got free speech if a mob mentality grabs torches and pitchforks because he dared call a politician a name in a private conversation that they weren't even supposed to be listening in on.

You better educate yourself on what Free Speech is.

Freedom of Speech

The right, guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to express beliefs and ideas without unwarranted government restriction.

Show me how the government has stepped in to restrict him...

originally posted by: intelligenthoodlum33

originally posted by: minusinfinity

originally posted by: intelligenthoodlum33
Oh goodie! Another thread defending bigots. Ignorance runs deep around here.

I don't think anyone is defending bigotry but we are defending free speech.

You are defending hate speech....by playing the "victim card"

Wow!

You really lost me. How am I the victim? I assume you mean I'm defending a victim?!?

This will be my last reply on this thread because it's becoming ridiculous.

If you were having a conversation with a friend and a person overheard a comment you made is it fair for that person to take a comment out of context and use it against you?

I don't think it's fair but that is what happens in this country on a daily basis. It makes me sick and it needs to end.

Why is it people should be afraid to say what's on their mind? The PC crap is too much. Give me a break. Get over it!!!

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Court? Prosecute? For what? He committed no crime.

Exactly. He wasn't arrested or charged with a crime. So, "expectation of privacy" (a legal term) does not apply.

originally posted by: SenorPuttPutt
a reply to: FlyersFan

By using that word he did disparage a group of people. Just so I'm clear, you're saying his right to freedom of speech and privacy (in a public setting) trumps the waitresses rights to use her freedom of speech to inform people what he said?

This times a thousand,

Point made.

Very direct and cuts through ALL THE BS.

People need to take responsibility for their actions, both in speech and deed. Isn't that the conservative mantra?

If there are black officers on the force; I doubt if they will have much confidence in his leadership with his blatant racism; And thinking white officers might also question his integrity and honor.

originally posted by: SenorPuttPutt
By using that word he did disparage a group of people

Only according to the race baiters. And I already showed that's not true. I can call the owner of the Clippers a red neck SOB and that doesn't mean I think all white people are red neck sobs. Same with this person calling one politician a slur in a private conversation.

originally posted by: benrl
I don't know flyers fan, Maybe I just grew up with too many friends getting hurt because of cops with similar views to tolerate it at all.

This guy isn't a cop. He's an old guy who hires/fires/disciplines the cops in town. He was elected to the position.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: SenorPuttPutt
By using that word he did disparage a group of people

Only according to the race baiters. And I already showed that's not true. I can call the owner of the Clippers a red neck SOB and that doesn't mean I think all white people are red neck sobs. Same with this person calling one politician a slur in a private conversation.

No it just makes you ignorant enough to use a term that some people find racially offensive.

I wouldn't want you holding an elected office after it either.

ETA:

And just to be clear, it would be more appropriate if you called him a cheep jew.

Lets not soften it by being deceptive. (as the official called a man with African decent the N word, not another derogatory term that didn't relate to him)

originally posted by: SenorPuttPutt
a reply to: FlyersFan
By using that word he did disparage a group of people.

If that was even remotely accurate, there would be an uproar for near every hip hop release...funny, there isn't.
2nd.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
You better educate yourself on what Free Speech is. ...

Free speech .. the common sense term ... the ability of a person to have a conversation with another person and speak their mind without a busybody listening in and projecting the information all over to the point that there is a mob mentality of grab the torches and pitchforks to run the man out of town ... all because he said one word about one politician in Washington DC.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You come to the defense of the racist.

I don't think that's fair at all.

She is obviously defending Free Speech.

I have never seen her say anything remotely racist.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
I have no idea what you mean. I'm totally lost on what you just said ...

ETA ... are you saying that no one should expect privacy in a conversation unless they are not arrested??

Can't follow ....

originally posted by: whyamIhere
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You come to the defense of the racist.

I don't think that's fair at all.

She is obviously defending Free Speech.

I has never seen her say anything remotely racist.

And what of the free speech of the waitress who has a right to express concerned of statements made by her elected officials?

a reply to: FlyersFan

By calling him a "Red Neck" you're are trying to drum up certain negative stereotypes about White people, I would say that it would, indeed, make you racist. Just because some people might find it more socially acceptable doesn't change that it's still hate speech about a group of people. Also, I'm still waiting for clarification: Are you saying that this mans right to make racist comments in a public settings trumps the waitresses' right to both take offense and inform the public?

Something tells me this guy wasn't trying very hard to speak privately. I don't think he gave a crap who heard him.

If I was getting together with another person to plan someone else's murder, I don't think I'd be going to a restaurant to discuss our plans -- would you? Point being, I think we can all agree that your conversations are not guaranteed to be private when you are in a very public place.

Because I think this guy was purposely non-discreet in speaking his opinion, I think the waitress was within her rights to speak her opinion about it. And if the residents of the town decide not to have him as their official - that is within their rights as well.