Creationist Debate Stalls South Carolina State Fossil Bill

a reply to: gippers

No it isn't really.
Is the theory of gravity real?.
Evolution has been proved with genetics.

a reply to: boymonkey74
TAX THE CHURCHES!

originally posted by: NthOther
Why is an 8-year-old girl lobbying the state legislature to adopt a state fossil?

Sounds like some kid is being taken advantage of (not to mention brainwashed) to me.

When I was 8 I got a gold star from my teacher when I wrote about Pangea. My parents were astonished. No brainwashing on their part at all. Why can't an 8-year-old be fascinated about fossils?

a reply to: gippers

"Still only a theory".

Now there's a surprise, a creationist misunderstanding the scientific definition of the word 'theory'.

When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I get angry over atheists trying to eradicate "God" from prayer, money, the pledge, etc.

But I also get angry when idiots on the other end of the spectrum can't accept the fact that the earth is actually a little older (by about 6 billion years) than previously thought.

But what do I know, I'm just a humble little Pooka.

She should write a new request where she asks the state senators to be elected as the the official state fossils.

She should also write a letter to Stephen Colbert, who hails from South Carolina...
I haven't watched his show this week (to know if he mentioned this), but I know he does go to academic gatherings - he spoke at my daughter's graduation from college three years ago. Brilliant man.

These idiots deserve all the mockery that comes their way. And I agree with the idea of letting 3rd graders decide things like this, actually. Anyone who's watched South Park - or who has bright, precocious kids - or has even been around them, knows that they have good common sense.

Eight years is typically when a human gets beyond "magical thinking". Makes you wonder about the maturity of the legislators.

Stephen would be an awesome 'ambassador' for young Olivia!!

a reply to: NthOther

That sounds about right.

a reply to: beezzer

I get angry over atheists trying to eradicate "God" from prayer, money, the pledge, etc.

Hi, Beez.

I've read your post several times now, and I have a question...well, a couple of them.

Why does it make you 'angry'?

And also, how would one eradicate "God" from prayer?
As for money and the pledge, those weren't even an issue until the 1950s. "In God We Trust" was added during that time, and the pledge of allegiance's "Under God" also.

There are some people who are not real keen that those phrases were later forcibly inserted into symbols of what was established as a secular nation by Deists (the Puritan pilgrims' attitudes notwithstanding, since that was 200 years prior), and now has morphed into "this has always been a Christian nation", which is actually untrue.

Not trying to pick a fight with ya, man. Just wondering about the statement above.

I think the girl had a great idea,but as usual great ideas can be wreaked by idiots.
I was obsessed with mammoth and sabre tooth cats as an 8 yr old from books and learning about them at home and school,maybe this girl is the same and she came up with this cool idea for her state.

Thanks creationists. Once again you people have managed to create a false debate that shouldn't even be taking place. Fossils are FACTS just like evolution, anthropogenic climate change, and the current known age of the Earth and solar system is 4.5 billion years.

Lord God in heaven give me the strength and patience to suffer the stupidity of some of your misguided children.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: beezzer

I get angry over atheists trying to eradicate "God" from prayer, money, the pledge, etc.

Hi, Beez.

I've read your post several times now, and I have a question...well, a couple of them.

Why does it make you 'angry'?

And also, how would one eradicate "God" from prayer?
As for money and the pledge, those weren't even an issue until the 1950s. "In God We Trust" was added during that time, and the pledge of allegiance's "Under God" also.

There are some people who are not real keen that those phrases were later forcibly inserted into symbols of what was established as a secular nation by Deists (the Puritan pilgrims' attitudes notwithstanding, since that was 200 years prior), and now has morphed into "this has always been a Christian nation", which is actually untrue.

Not trying to pick a fight with ya, man. Just wondering about the statement above.

If atheists don't want to believe, then that's fine with me.

But I don't understand why they want to eliminate God from so many things.

How could they be offended by something they don't believe in?

But back on topic, the extreme fundamental religious folks are just as bad as the militant atheists, in my oft humble opinion.

I don't understand why they want to eliminate God from so many things.

Maybe because of all the idiots who do idiotic things in the name of god???

How could someone not see that, it's about as subtle as an iceberg.

originally posted by: CB328

I don't understand why they want to eliminate God from so many things.

Maybe because of all the idiots who do idiotic things in the name of god???

How could someone not see that, it's about as subtle as an iceberg.

And for every idiot, there is a saint, doing wonderful things in the name of God.

a reply to: beezzer

But I don't understand why they want to eliminate God from so many things.

How could they be offended by something they don't believe in?

Ok. But you didn't answer my questions, really.
Why does it make you angry? And how can anyone eliminate God from prayer?

"In God We Trust" (on currency) came along in 1956, and the line of the pledge "One nation, under God" was two years earlier in 1954.
Oddly enough, according to this source

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Weird. Just discovered that just now. Have a look at the source. And if you like, tell me, "What do you think??".

a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Any further discussion would be off topic.

But as someone who does have faith, I am against anything that would eliminate something I believe to be inherently good from society.

Any further debate, another time.

This is about jack-ass religious folks who are just as narrow-minded as any number of people I could mention.

a reply to: beezzer

Any further debate, another time.

This is about jack-ass religious folks who are just as narrow-minded as any number of people I could mention.

Okay. Thanks for responding, anyway.
Another time, then.

originally posted by: beezzer

But as someone who does have faith, I am against anything that would eliminate something I believe to be inherently good from society.

yahweh was good?

The OT tells me no.

This is where I live, this is why I would never raise children here.