Snowden Calls BS On Putin's Answer: Says He Was Playing The Role Of Ron Wyden

originally posted by: Davian
This is why I believe all heads of state and world leaders are in on it together. Question it as you may, and I respect you for doing so, I do not believe there is any question that there is a massive international conspiracy against the people. Of all nations.

No question about it.

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
3 - Scariest answer for everyone, given the people we currently have running US Intelligence......he's still very much working for Never Saw Anything, and playing Chess against a man (Putin) who was mastering the game in his late teens, when the cold war was still frosty.

Interesting.
If you don't mind, Wrabbit2000, I have a question regarding this possibility.

Why would the NSA risk foreign relations with your allies, including the transatlantic trade and investment partnership?

To what end? What would justify this move?

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: introV

Bottom line is many posters in this thread are for the same things......Liberty,Freedom,Privacy. It all comes down to the men that we put faith in to uphold these values.



Can you put faith in someone who acts like this? I can not. Oops just kidding I was really calling him out is sketchy. I want my role models and leaders to be above that. We need men like Jefferson,Adams,King to lead us out of this.

Well, I applaud Snowden for prevailing when others like him failed (see Binney and friends). In this day and age, what he accomplished is unprecedented, so it's hard to say if he had any other options. His goal of telling the world of these injustices surely succeeded.

I do, however, wonder what route Jefferson, Adams, etc, might have taken? Or, what do you suggest Snowden should have done?

Bottom line for me? He exposed corruption and violations of the world's rights. He is one man fighting leaders of incomprehensible power. We can play "He should have done this, he should have done that, he doesn't please me, yadda yadda.. otherwise he's a traitor".. or we can focus on repairing the world's broken governments.

a reply to: SubTruth

Something is sketchy with all of this and he looks like a lair because of it.

He looks EXACTLY like the MSM are portraying him.

Of course he looks sketchy.

You can safely believe the exact opposite of what the "news" is telling you.

The mainstream media appears to serve multiple functions. First, to distribute information that the controlling cabal wants you to believe is real news. Secondly, to assist in the cover-up of information that has leaked out through other sources. In other words, Damage Control. Thirdly, as a weapon to assassinate the characters of those who expose the practices of the Establishment. Also, to act as a firewall to prevent information detrimental to the elite's control from reaching the public. Finally, to continue to reinforce mainstream accounts of current and historical events. The mainstream news essentially serves as a primary tool for social conditioning or mind-control.

"It is through the press and the media that the lie is penetrating through to the masses," declared Professor Marrs. The media is used as a weapon. So when you watch, read, or listen to mainstream news, ask yourself, "what will the CFR like me to believe today?"

Centralized Control of History, Media, and Academia

He looks EXACTLY like the MSM are portraying him.

To Sub-Truth, do you honestly think the state media would portray him in a positive light after exposing state-mandated spy programs? Think for a minute.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate...how else does he get so much TV and media time when it's controlled by those he is exposing? Not to mention people die fishing or find themselves in Cesna plane crashes for much less.

reply to: SubTruth

Yes, we have heard of those questions before, especially drummed up by those [linked closely with other] whitleblowers who have failed to get much media attention (why they never questioned the same about Bradley Manning, I'll never understand).

Scenario #1: Yes, he is being protected (perhaps until he has served his purpose, whatever that may be) and perhaps he knows that, perhaps he doesn't. If he knows and he's playing the world, he should win a special Academy Award (and let's hope he does; it's not everyday a computer nerd gets an Oscar limelight).

Scenario #2: He is doing something that he truly believes in. The media exposure comes automatically through his partnership with journalists who ensure the story continues (it's part of their expertise). Being smart, he and those involved would have an insurance policy in case anyone meets an "accidental" death.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Davian


Snowden is flapping in the wind like a paper bag. I don't buy what he is trying to sell anymore. He is a traitor. I supported him and what he was doing. I did find it sketchy him hiding out in Russia and then you add him cuddling up with Putin and you get a big pile of traitor.




He can try and spin this a 1000 ways from Tuesday I see the truth.

How is it sketchy that he is "hiding out" in Russia? What would you have him do? Come back to the US and be charged as a Domestic Terrorist and then suddenly find himself with no rights or due process? How is him calling Putin a liar "cuddling up"?

Now, I know I know nothing. But recent events in my life have taught me a few things. Anyway, that is not going to be explained. But for sake of a conjecture. For indeed, one must be shrewd, and not believe everything they hear or see....

Could it not be as simple as, Russian mole inside NSA, expose NSA, hurt American image. Run back to Russia. Without anyone knowing Russian mole existed. To prove mole is not who he is, call out Russian President on TV. All coincidence?

I do not know, like I said I do not claim to know. But it is something worthy of thinking about.

Now, to let you know where I stand.

I take no side politically. Since a child I have been neutral to all aspects political. My parents taught me that no human government will ever bring about mankind's security, or salvation. I believed it, because they showed it to me from the Bible. And I came to believe what God's word said. And they further showed me that all religions that get involved in politics are false. And I came to understand that to be true.

You see. God does not take sides politically, he is far beyond that. The only reason man rules himself is because the ruler of the world, Satan, according to the Bible, claims that man does not need God. So all human suffering and misery, and back-biting, and lying, and warfare, and dying, and hatred, etc. etc. is a proof of Satan's lie.

All world powers belong to Satan. And God does not intervene, right now, because he is giving Satan and man enough time to prove once and for all time that they are all fools. His intervention will be swift, and final. There will be no doubt about his rightfulness, and his wisdom.

Anyway, all that aside. I got on a tangent and forgot what I was talking about before. Sorry this happens to me. Ah, in Daniel there is a prophecy that the king of the north will be involved in a pushing against the king of the south, in the final part of the days.

There will always be a rivalry between the two. One should not always believe what they are told. But examine the facts, and weigh them in the balance.

a reply to: ColCurious

What would justify it? Well, in a word? Hubris. The thought we could actually do it, and sometimes, that kind of audacity is enough.

In a practical sense....Russia's been whose ally, exactly? I don't mean that as a challenging thing but really, curiosity. It goes both ways of course, and that whole 'trust but verify' thing never entirely went away. The U.S. was picking up occasional defectors with high rank out of Russian Security Services through the 90's and beyond, as well. One Colonel made for a great read on the book with info out of the debriefing. If it's true to any degree, then our side sure didn't cede the game either. It may have just gotten quieter and ..of course.. The media's been a little busy to chase old ghosts since 2001. Who'd know?

There is this tho...in terms of thinking of trojan horses played on the Russians. The USSR got some good zingers on us, too, so nothing was one sided...BUT....I do believe the US outdid itself on this one.

Reagan - the father of the first cyber war. Against the USSR

There were other incidents which didn't literally rate Kiloton ranking for measuring the success or failure, but no one can say Snowden as a trojan would be without precedent..it would just be a creative twist on an old tactic.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I honestly don't know what to think of Snowden.

What?!? Do you think an international broadcast featuring Snowden questioning the leading figure in US political opposition was an 'accident?' Do you think the whole thing isn't the next chapter in the script?

Only two things one need consider:
1. He ran to China
2. He ran to Russia

a reply to: Snarl

You're right. He sure did run to both and last I saw him was a rather nice looking photo he apparently had while on the river outside the Kremlin. It's in the background. Looks quite happy and well settled..for a guy with no nation, the most powerful spies in history out to kill him and..we'd think..only temporary shelter in a nation that was reluctant to give it.

That's the impression, anyway.

So.. What I'm still not 100% sure on, given several pieces that still don't quite fit, is just this. When he last left Hawaii and U.S. Soil, was he running TO something or FROM something.?

That question basically sums up treason vs. criminal stupidity and bad judgement, IMO.

I would like to see Snowden in physical form answering and questioning things in real time instead of a head on a screen.
One day that 'head on a screen' will not be Snowden - and that is something which the Putin question made me think about.

The screen interactions maybe for his security - but I think it has an effect on his credibility and authenticity.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
Well, in a word? Hubris. The thought we could actually do it, and sometimes, that kind of audacity is enough.

Fair enough.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
In a practical sense....Russia's been whose ally, exactly? I don't mean that as a challenging thing but really, curiosity.

I wasn't talking about Russia.

Maybe it was a controlled leak and misinformation campaign. We already knew bits and pieces about the government's cyberspying on people. Didn't an engineer with AT&T let that cat out of the bag back in the 1990's? Why not give the public what they were expecting anyway and throw a little misinfo into the mix?

originally posted by: Snarl
Only two things one need consider:
1. He ran to China
2. He ran to Russia

Who else was willing and able to grant him asylum and guarantee his safety?
Also, he tried to go the legal way and make his concerns known. He contacted NSA oversight... they didn't care and told him not to "rock the boat”.

originally posted by: planchette
I would like to see Snowden in physical form answering and questioning things in real time instead of a head on a screen.
One day that 'head on a screen' will not be Snowden - and that is something which the Putin question made me think about.

The screen interactions maybe for his security - but I think it has an effect on his credibility and authenticity.

Absolutely.

I really hope he will be called and questioned by the German NSA-investigation committee as a witness.
We will see.

a reply to: ColCurious

Okay, fair enough on the allies... lol..

I have heard our relations with European nations that have been historic allies have become....complicated. I guess no one much likes their phones tapped and their private mail snooped in. Even national leaders, much less learning another country just hoovered whole other nations of it...like...err..uhh.. Yeah.. The US kinda did that, huh?

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I don't care about the NSA protecting US national security.
I'm not naive, and that is their job after all.

But we learned that this is by no means all they do... they are guilty of industrial espionage against German firms, which is regarded as a hostile act by some people here. In any case, it is no way to treat allies

Also, we learned first-hand what surveillance states do to a nation.
The US reproved us twice in our history for having the Nazi-Gestapo and the Socialist-Stasi, and now they are doing exactly the same themselves.

THAT is the problem. Not for us, for YOU (and only subsequently everyone else on this planet).

German NSA-investigation committee as a witness. We will see.

Mind explaining that?

The German economy is propped with more funny money than America is. They are in no position to investigate anyone for anything. The Russians got them by the balls because of their stupid energy policy and the Chinese backed up all their loans that the rest of Europe defaulted on.

There is a deep hole at the super max waiting for this traitor/coward.

originally posted by: spooky24
Mind explaining that?

Sure.
There is an official investigation committee, tasked to analyse what exactly the NSA did, how they did it, who knew about it, the role of our BND (and the software they allegedly gave to the NSA), and their cooperation with British and US intelligence.
Several politicians want to call Snowden as a witness.

originally posted by: spooky24
They are in no position to investigate anyone for anything.

Haha... what?!

originally posted by: spooky24
The German economy is propped with more funny money than America is.

I'm sorry, where are your hard values again?
Where is your industrial base? Oh yeah... overseas.
Where is your gold... and where is our gold?

I do agree about the "funny money"... not that your nation has her own currency though.