United States Is Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading to Poor, UN Report Charges

reply to post by jrflipjr


Agreed Democrats nor Republicans will never sole the problems in the US, they have been a major part the problem for at least the last 60 years.

reply to post by beezzer


I concur.

It's time to wake up, but that won't happen until we've reached rock bottom. Look out Rome, here we come!

Too much "me, me, me" and not enough "we, we, we" has a tendency to be the downfall of any civilization.

Doesn't anyone pay attention in history class anymore ?!

The people of this nation are only slightly to blame for the crimes of their government. Even if the people strongly disagree with something the government is doing, what can those people actually DO? Virtually nothing, aside from actually holding these criminals accountable by seizing power themselves. The people can protest, which as we know only works if the government has a change of heart, which is not likely. We can complain, but why should they listen to us? Many of these politicians don't really care if they get re-elected, if they are coming up for re-election, because they've been in there long enough to make their money, and have another way of making money lined up when they leave office.

All the talk about serving the people is a lie in many instances, with many politicians. So despite the people disagreeing with the actions and policies of the government, there is nothing the people can do. You see what happened when these people tried to protest? They had freaking tear gas shot into them. And this is something that happens quite often. So we are having our right to assemble blatantly disregarded as well. We have no rights. Rather, we only have rights when those in charge, the police on a local level, and the government on a larger scale, SAY WE HAVE RIGHTS.

Many people do not realize the direness of our situation in this country. In my honest opinion the options we have are becoming quite small. There will come a time when the only way to right the wrongs of the government is to unite, seize power, and reinstitute the government our Founding Fathers initially put into motion. That is what they would want us to do as well, as they said and implied on multiple occasions. I don't think very many people realize just how meaningless their "rights" are. The government, especially the police, violate our rights every single day, all over the country, and there is absolutely nothing that you can do in most instances. They will lie if you attempt to pursue such a violation, and they will be believed over you 95% of the time.

We could help a lot of people with the 400,000 bucks we spent on a stupid ass camel state we paid for .The fact that we spend more money to help other countries than we do to help a lot of people right here at home. It is sickening.

reply to post by jrflipjr


The scenario you suggest is what the current administration's goal seems to be,not the American people.
You will shortly see things swing back to the right,same pattern as we have seen.

I plead Not Guilty to these charges by the UN.
The homeless in our county aren't arrested, they are offered shelter at one of a couple of shelters. During the winter months they are offered shelter at various "warming centers", mostly churches, that open their community rooms. I've served on committees to help get these shelters in place and have donated funds and goods to help get them up and running.
Our county and most counties around us have very active Habitat for Humanity chapters that build homes for needy folks and repair homes for those who own their homes but can't afford repairs. I've helped build and repair many homes and have sat on the Board of Directors for Habitat.
Our food banks supply food to the needy. An agency called "Needline" provides food, helps with electric and gas bills in winter, provides fans and air conditioners in summer. I donate to that agency on a regular basis. At least seven churches in town have food banks as well.
We have a free clinic for people who don't qualify for Medicaid but don't have health insurance. I helped to get that set up in 1999 and to establish a thrift store which finances the free clinic in 2001. They get my donations as well.
All of these missions to help the needy are community-driven, not government-driven. The city and county government donate funds and surplus furniture from time to time to the Needline facility and have provided office space but that is their only involvement.
Why do I spent the equivalent of a part-time job doing these things? Because I know that but for the Grace of God and my blessed parents, there go I.
I had parents that taught me to give to those less fortunate. They encouraged me to go to school, they paid my way through college so I could have a profession that would support me. When I got rid of the bum I'd married, I was a single mom and it was a tough road for a few years, working up to three jobs. During that period I had nothing to give to those who were in need. Now my circumstances have changed and helping others makes me happy. Putting the organizational skills I've learned over the years to work to help others seems a small payback for the love and support I've always received from my community.
I honestly believe that if I didn't do all within my power to help in trying to solve the problems of the community I would be a miserable individual indeed.
I'm not responsible for what the Federal government does. I voted for only one of the federal representatives who claim to represent me. If it were up to me, I'd throw every last one of them out and hold a lottery, draw names out of the phone book to run the government before I'd vote for a party hack. I think we would have far fewer crooks and a budget surplus in less than 4 years. It might not happen but I honestly don't see how we could be worse off.
I'm climbing down from my soapbox now....

Consequences suck. We the People gave the government the mandate to spend our treasure on war, twice. We the People, let the goverment bail out banks and corporations and still to this day, We the People support cheap money for banks with QE. We the People, let foreign countries suck up our money to protect foreigners on their own soil.

Food is going to get more and more expensive. More poor, more hunger in the US. Hearts will only get colder as the US turns on its poor and the working people to pay for all our past mistakes. We see the evidence around us.

doubletap


I see the constitution doesn't really mean much to you, does it?

So the constitution is only working with people are suffering and dieing like in some 3rd world crap hole?


Ok

reply to post by BuzzyWigs


This is just one situation in which the U.S. is very behind on human rights - and there is actually a risk that we are going to fall even farther behind if more radical conservatives get their negative agendas across, such as legalizing discrimination.

Even in the state of Washington, one of the more liberal states, there was recently a review by the ACLU that found that its criminal justice system was hurting the poor - here is the situation, that occurs in many different states: Someone who is poor gets charged with a minor crime, and then because of this, has to pay court fees and the fee for the crime that are outside of their budget. I get the impression that things cycle from there into a worse situation.

I understand that there are many people on this forum who will say things like "Don't do the crime then," but the reality is a lot more complex than that.

Sometimes empathy (cough) requires people to experience a similar situation in order to understand it. I'm sure that even members of the ACLU, who are informed with facts and have studied the ins and outs of the situation, do not have the intimate knowledge and empathy of the situation in the same way that the people involved have.

It is a scary situation when the ruling party has no empathy for those they rule - and no accountability to them, either. This is how major atrocities happen, and minor ones as well. This is another reason why I am against unlimited money going into political campaigns.

reply to post by BuzzyWigs


I see it made a lot of people's blood boil.

The thing I don't think most realize yet is that this ruling means that the fight for peoples' rights in the US is effectively over, which should be fully evident after the next elections.

The government's original mandate to secure the rights of the people, non-corporate people, I mean, will not exist beyond just hundreds who use their wealth to buy "ingratiation and access", which John Roberts' ruled not to be corruption. In fact, unless it's direct quid-pro-quo exchange of money for specific action by an individual, "ingratiation and access" has been ruled to not even have the "appearance of corruption". By the precedent of that ruling, while we have this Supreme Court, it will be impossible to argue in any US court that there is even an appearance of corruption when all that's happening is unlimited financial support and funding for ingratiated candidates who provide political access and implicit influence limited to large corporations and the few hundred people with the most ability to turn up the volume of their "Speech". Money = Speech, and politicians across the country will no longer be able to hear you unless your Speech has more volume than a large corporation or the richest donors. This is now a done deal, but it will take a few years to see the full fruits.

reply to post by BuzzyWigs


Today, America is worse governed than under King George III
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jrflipjr
The point of this discussion is weak because the answer does not lie in politics, despite the the easy sell to make it about that.

The answer lies in self reflection as humans and as a nation, but that cannot be achieved unless we all become educated about our world, our purpose, and our sense of reality.

The bickering between republicans and democrats is not only futile, it's a self-licking ice cream cone.

My solution is for real dialogue to occur among philosophers, who recognize the need to move forward - not the "representatives" we "choose" to pay with our hard-earned labor in order to achieve goals none of us asked for.

Oh, and if one more friggin person tells me I need to give more in terms of my "dues to society"...here's my contribution:

Get off your A** and work for your own sense of purpose for yourself and this country!

edit on 4-5-2014 by jrflipjr because: clarification

What we need at the planet's scale is a new social science that we could name the "science of human well-being", or even simply the "science of man", into which all discoveries that have been made in social science(and also neuroscience: neuro-ethics, neuro-philosophy..) until today would be integrated to form a practical set of guidelines to help creating human societies that work, in the same manner that we have science to tell us how to build a bridge that last or how to send a robot on planet Mars. Because "human rights" today, is a good start, but is just an ideology, just a matter of opinion, we need something more objective, something that we can all agree on. The societies in which we live today are but the legacy of past societies, and if you need just one proof of that, just look at the fact that we still have kings and queens here and there. I call our time "modern obscurantism", because we have all those sophisticated hard sciences and technologies, but regarding social sciences we are still stuck in medieval times.

Let's remember that the UN is one of the top purveyors of Global One World Government, too. Let's also remember some of the nations who sit on the UN Human Rights Council.

While I'm not saying we don't have work to do. I do think there are always ulterior motives to everything the UN issues.

reply to post by diggindirt


Amen

Morning, all.
Yes, lots of people are appalled at these turns of events. Unlimited lobbying? Are you freaking kidding me????

Like benrl and lots of others are saying, we need to fix what's wrong at home, and I, too, am an isolationist. We have seen - nay, lived through - a financial disaster, and only by "cheating". It's just buying time....like buying votes.

I sure as HELL hope the NSA sees this thread - and what's even more worrisome, is it wasn't covered anywhere else except the source I provided (that I could find). I couldn't remember what website had posted it, so I did just a general search, even a cnn.com search - and found NOTHING. I had to actually visualize the layout of the page to remember what site it came from.

Outrageous doesn't even begin to describe this absolute horror of a fallen state.
We're sunk.

Every day that passes that my grown children are still doing fairly well, I count as 'borrowed time'...at this point, they're both old enough to become parents themselves (and be responsible about it), but I hope they don't; they don't want to now either.

I can hardly believe I'll never be a grandparent; but the alternative for those hypothetical grandchildren and their own offspring looks horrid. Like wishing someone into a nightmare.

What do we all expect, when one of two major political parties pours hundreds of millions of dollars into there political media machine bashing and falsely labeling the poor and underclass. Somehow feeding the poor will cause the destruction of the USA...according to Fox news, and the hoards of am radio talking heads... somehow paying a liveable wage will destroy our world as we know it.

Interesting timing between this report by the UN and this:

Obama Budget Supersizes U.S. Funding for UN, Global Military

Coincidence?

or buying influence in the UN?

reply to post by AlaskanDad


LOL!!! Yeah, I noticed that, too.

Throwing money at the UN rather than focusing on fixing our own domestic issues. The snit with Russia is another clue - We the People are being disenfranchised right here at home, and by proxy, our stupid government is disenfranchising our whole nation. Yeah, throw more money at the UN; to shut them up about the atrocities the government allows?

That would be simply PROOF that what the UN is saying is correct!! Idiots.

This is no democracy, not by a long shot.

reply to post by dampnickers


Then perhaps we should list everyone in the whole country... Every person who voted for the administration or every person who sat by complicit with the mandates bc they don't want the homeless in THEIR town. People say they want to help and they don't want people to be homeless, but they don't want the homeless in their area and they don't think it's fair that they should have to give up anything to actually help.

The administration may have got these atrocities started but we all are to blame for allowing them to continue...